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Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019








Now you're both communicating badly anyway so have something you should have been apologising for. Thankfully you've already taken care of that.

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Otteration
Jan 3, 2014




Grimey Drawer

DontMockMySmock posted:

Oh no, you have nothing to apologize for! To clarify, I was not accusing you of communicating badly, I was accusing the videos you've seen/articles you've read of communicating badly.

Thanks! I've quoted several articles, though. Got any specifics? I have no dog in the white hole hunt, just want to know more, and would like for the rest of us to too.

Otteration
Jan 3, 2014




Grimey Drawer

Inceltown posted:

Now you're both communicating badly anyway so have something you should have been apologising for. Thankfully you've already taken care of that.

Tis a silly thread for this digression beast anyway. Yielding for nap time.

https://m.imgur.com/MxTxJN9

Otteration has a new favorite as of 03:40 on Apr 22, 2021

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

I'm going to use an analogy here - consider a rigid wheel standing on a flat road. How much pressure does it exert on the road? The contact area between them is zero - a line of zero width - so the pressure, being the force divided by the area, is ... infinite?

In both this case, and the gravitational singularity case, the resolution is obvious once we remember that our model is a simplified version of reality - we take a look at those simplifications and recognise that they no longer apply. We construct a better model. And part of that process is searching for evidence that might provide insight into what's really going on. In the wheel example, we might look closer at the wheel-road interface to see how each of them deforms and provides a larger contact area.

Any description of "white holes", that's being presented to people that don't already have an appreciation for the limits of our current understanding, should come with an acknowledgement that what our theories predict here is almost certainly wrong, that this is one area where our theory breaks down and produces total nonsense. The reason it's so interesting is because our current theory breaks down there! Knowing what really happens in that situation is the best way to identify what simplifications our theory implicitly makes, and come closer to the underlying truth. Presenting what our current, flawed, theory predicts as though it is the truth is misleading.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008


That's why I like Sabine Hossenfelder; she likes to correct a lot of assumptions that make people believe these things are "possible".

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane


Fun Shoe

It's going to be pretty funny when we create an AI that can solve these cosmic mysteries, but can't explain to our primate brains. Then is like, "Ugh, nevermind" and blasts off in to the 89th dimension, where planets are made of pizza

Otteration
Jan 3, 2014




Grimey Drawer

Jabor posted:

I'm going to use an analogy here - consider a rigid wheel standing on a flat road. How much pressure does it exert on the road? The contact area between them is zero - a line of zero width - so the pressure, being the force divided by the area, is ... infinite?

In both this case, and the gravitational singularity case, the resolution is obvious once we remember that our model is a simplified version of reality - we take a look at those simplifications and recognise that they no longer apply. We construct a better model. And part of that process is searching for evidence that might provide insight into what's really going on. In the wheel example, we might look closer at the wheel-road interface to see how each of them deforms and provides a larger contact area.

Any description of "white holes", that's being presented to people that don't already have an appreciation for the limits of our current understanding, should come with an acknowledgement that what our theories predict here is almost certainly wrong, that this is one area where our theory breaks down and produces total nonsense. The reason it's so interesting is because our current theory breaks down there! Knowing what really happens in that situation is the best way to identify what simplifications our theory implicitly makes, and come closer to the underlying truth. Presenting what our current, flawed, theory predicts as though it is the truth is misleading.

Agreed that it's total nonsense, atm. I don't think anyone is presenting anything as unmitigated truth, but instead what could be, which is kind of what unmitigated questioning science is all about.

Thanks for the analogy, but now print it it out and give it to your friends at the bar, or your sister, or the dude on the street. Ask them what it means.

Do it again in 1915 or so with black holes. Go shake Einstein's hand and tell him about quantum entanglement. Give him only the math. Even then, spooky action at a distance he says. The rest of us wouldn't mind some explanations in the mean time. And so happens pop sci.

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/GiuyWTj

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004





https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_qs0d0xs0fL1r0uzl6.mp4

owl_pellet
Nov 20, 2005

show your enemy
what you look like




I happened to listen to songs by Svalbard and then Rolo Tomassi back to back on Spotify, and I was like yes, women in heavy music are very badass.

Serena Cherry of Svalbard:


Eva Korman of Rolo Tomassi:

Android Apocalypse
Apr 28, 2009

The future is
AUTOMATED
and you are
OBSOLETE






Illegal Hen

It's cool there's a band that took their name from LA Confidential.

freelop
Apr 28, 2013

Where we're going, we won't need fries to see





owl_pellet posted:

I happened to listen to songs by Svalbard and then Rolo Tomassi back to back on Spotify, and I was like yes, women in heavy music are very badass.

Serena Cherry of Svalbard:


Eva Korman of Rolo Tomassi:


You'll probably get a kick out of Rage of Light, though unfortunately Melissa Bonny has announced recently she's leaving the band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6xBhv21kEE

For female-fronted bands Unleash the Archers are still my favourite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yFH-O05uS0

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007


Switchblade Switcharoo

I see a lot of people not talking about Floor Jansen here

Azhais has a new favorite as of 06:44 on Apr 28, 2021

W424
Oct 21, 2010


Azhais posted:

I see a lot of people not talking about Floor Jansen here

I quess nobody has ever used ”bad rear end” to describe Disney metal.

Arban
Aug 28, 2017


Jinjer is also something people should check out.

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011




Feminazgul

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007






Look up Cadaveria, Arch Enemy and Walls of Jericho.

Super Waffle
Sep 25, 2007

I'm a hermaphrodite and my parents (40K nerds) named me Slaanesh, THANKS MOM

Check out The Bridge City Sinners if you want to experience Murderfolk/Bloodgrass

freeedr
Feb 21, 2005



Super Waffle posted:

Check out The Bridge City Sinners if you want to experience Murderfolk/Bloodgrass



OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It is a powerful visual metaphor for my posting.


You got a license for that much denim?

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

only marfans dot com


Super Waffle posted:

Check out The Bridge City Sinners if you want to experience Murderfolk/Bloodgrass



Idk what that is but its right up my alley deffo checking them out

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009



https://twitter.com/Rich_Ships/status/1389581753409576965?s=20

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers


Jesus. Looking that one up later.

Nordick
Sep 3, 2011

Yes.


owl_pellet posted:

women in heavy music are very badass.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xdwdyd/no-guts-no-glory-how-bolt-throwers-jo-bench-inspired-a-generation-of-metal-musicians

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense







Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

If you will not serve in combat, you will serve on the firing line!




Huh, I knew about Bolt Thrower thanks to its Warhammer connections but that's new to me. Neat.

Cobra Commander
Jan 18, 2011



Jo Bench is by far the most badass woman in metal, she's actually top 5 most badass people in all of metal.

boofhead
Feb 18, 2021


Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Jesus. Looking that one up later.

The wikipedia page for easy reference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Aaron_Ward_(DM-34)

Pigsfeet on Rye
Oct 22, 2008

I'm meat on the hoof




Also GIS is amazing
https://www.google.com/search?q=aar...iw=1490&bih=722

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Lakedaimon
Jan 11, 2007



Hopefully this hasnt already been posted in the thread but im always in awe that the USS Selfridge was hit by not one, but two Japanese torpedoes and survived.



That 5" gunmount hanging on for dear life is actually the second one from the front of the ship, the first was a total goner. The bridge area was apparently showered with projectiles from this second mount.

Diagram of how much of the ship was completely destroyed:

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