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 Inceltown Aug 6, 2019 Now you're both communicating badly anyway so have something you should have been apologising for. Thankfully you've already taken care of that. # ? Apr 22, 2021 03:22

#### DontMockMySmock posted:

Oh no, you have nothing to apologize for! To clarify, I was not accusing you of communicating badly, I was accusing the videos you've seen/articles you've read of communicating badly.

Thanks! I've quoted several articles, though. Got any specifics? I have no dog in the white hole hunt, just want to know more, and would like for the rest of us to too.

#### Inceltown posted:

Now you're both communicating badly anyway so have something you should have been apologising for. Thankfully you've already taken care of that.

Tis a silly thread for this digression beast anyway. Yielding for nap time.

https://m.imgur.com/MxTxJN9

Otteration has a new favorite as of 03:40 on Apr 22, 2021

 Jabor Jul 16, 2010 #1 Loser at SpaceChem I'm going to use an analogy here - consider a rigid wheel standing on a flat road. How much pressure does it exert on the road? The contact area between them is zero - a line of zero width - so the pressure, being the force divided by the area, is ... infinite? In both this case, and the gravitational singularity case, the resolution is obvious once we remember that our model is a simplified version of reality - we take a look at those simplifications and recognise that they no longer apply. We construct a better model. And part of that process is searching for evidence that might provide insight into what's really going on. In the wheel example, we might look closer at the wheel-road interface to see how each of them deforms and provides a larger contact area. Any description of "white holes", that's being presented to people that don't already have an appreciation for the limits of our current understanding, should come with an acknowledgement that what our theories predict here is almost certainly wrong, that this is one area where our theory breaks down and produces total nonsense. The reason it's so interesting is because our current theory breaks down there! Knowing what really happens in that situation is the best way to identify what simplifications our theory implicitly makes, and come closer to the underlying truth. Presenting what our current, flawed, theory predicts as though it is the truth is misleading. # ? Apr 22, 2021 03:53
 Wasabi the J Jan 23, 2008 That's why I like Sabine Hossenfelder; she likes to correct a lot of assumptions that make people believe these things are "possible". # ? Apr 22, 2021 05:47
 ElGroucho Nov 1, 2005 We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane Fun Shoe It's going to be pretty funny when we create an AI that can solve these cosmic mysteries, but can't explain to our primate brains. Then is like, "Ugh, nevermind" and blasts off in to the 89th dimension, where planets are made of pizza # ? Apr 22, 2021 13:09

#### Jabor posted:

I'm going to use an analogy here - consider a rigid wheel standing on a flat road. How much pressure does it exert on the road? The contact area between them is zero - a line of zero width - so the pressure, being the force divided by the area, is ... infinite?

In both this case, and the gravitational singularity case, the resolution is obvious once we remember that our model is a simplified version of reality - we take a look at those simplifications and recognise that they no longer apply. We construct a better model. And part of that process is searching for evidence that might provide insight into what's really going on. In the wheel example, we might look closer at the wheel-road interface to see how each of them deforms and provides a larger contact area.

Any description of "white holes", that's being presented to people that don't already have an appreciation for the limits of our current understanding, should come with an acknowledgement that what our theories predict here is almost certainly wrong, that this is one area where our theory breaks down and produces total nonsense. The reason it's so interesting is because our current theory breaks down there! Knowing what really happens in that situation is the best way to identify what simplifications our theory implicitly makes, and come closer to the underlying truth. Presenting what our current, flawed, theory predicts as though it is the truth is misleading.

Agreed that it's total nonsense, atm. I don't think anyone is presenting anything as unmitigated truth, but instead what could be, which is kind of what unmitigated questioning science is all about.

Thanks for the analogy, but now print it it out and give it to your friends at the bar, or your sister, or the dude on the street. Ask them what it means.

Do it again in 1915 or so with black holes. Go shake Einstein's hand and tell him about quantum entanglement. Give him only the math. Even then, spooky action at a distance he says. The rest of us wouldn't mind some explanations in the mean time. And so happens pop sci.

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/GiuyWTj

 ekuNNN Nov 27, 2004 https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_qs0d0xs0fL1r0uzl6.mp4 # ? Apr 23, 2021 21:18
 owl_pellet Nov 20, 2005 show your enemy what you look like I happened to listen to songs by Svalbard and then Rolo Tomassi back to back on Spotify, and I was like yes, women in heavy music are very badass. Serena Cherry of Svalbard: Eva Korman of Rolo Tomassi: # ? Apr 27, 2021 16:10
 Android Apocalypse Apr 28, 2009 The future is AUTOMATED and you are OBSOLETE Illegal Hen It's cool there's a band that took their name from LA Confidential. # ? Apr 27, 2021 16:16

#### owl_pellet posted:

I happened to listen to songs by Svalbard and then Rolo Tomassi back to back on Spotify, and I was like yes, women in heavy music are very badass.

Serena Cherry of Svalbard:

Eva Korman of Rolo Tomassi:

You'll probably get a kick out of Rage of Light, though unfortunately Melissa Bonny has announced recently she's leaving the band

For female-fronted bands Unleash the Archers are still my favourite

 Azhais Feb 5, 2007 Switchblade Switcharoo I see a lot of people not talking about Floor Jansen here Azhais has a new favorite as of 06:44 on Apr 28, 2021 # ? Apr 28, 2021 06:21

#### Azhais posted:

I see a lot of people not talking about Floor Jansen here

I quess nobody has ever used ”bad rear end” to describe Disney metal.

 Arban Aug 28, 2017 Jinjer is also something people should check out. # ? Apr 28, 2021 08:32
 Cocaine Bear Nov 4, 2011 Feminazgul # ? Apr 28, 2021 11:50
 ultrafilter Aug 23, 2007 Look up Cadaveria, Arch Enemy and Walls of Jericho. # ? Apr 28, 2021 12:34
 Super Waffle Sep 25, 2007 I'm a hermaphrodite and my parents (40K nerds) named me Slaanesh, THANKS MOM Check out The Bridge City Sinners if you want to experience Murderfolk/Bloodgrass # ? Apr 29, 2021 15:38

#### Super Waffle posted:

Check out The Bridge City Sinners if you want to experience Murderfolk/Bloodgrass

 OwlFancier Aug 22, 2013 It is a powerful visual metaphor for my posting. You got a license for that much denim? # ? Apr 29, 2021 17:01

#### Super Waffle posted:

Check out The Bridge City Sinners if you want to experience Murderfolk/Bloodgrass

Idk what that is but its right up my alley deffo checking them out

 Cythereal Nov 8, 2009 https://twitter.com/Rich_Ships/status/1389581753409576965?s=20 # ? May 5, 2021 01:22
 Comrade Blyatlov Aug 4, 2007 should have picked four fingers Jesus. Looking that one up later. # ? May 5, 2021 01:42

#### owl_pellet posted:

women in heavy music are very badass.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xdwdyd/no-guts-no-glory-how-bolt-throwers-jo-bench-inspired-a-generation-of-metal-musicians

 Cooked Auto Aug 4, 2007 If you will not serve in combat, you will serve on the firing line! Huh, I knew about Bolt Thrower thanks to its Warhammer connections but that's new to me. Neat. # ? May 5, 2021 10:21

Jo Bench is by far the most badass woman in metal, she's actually top 5 most badass people in all of metal.

Jesus. Looking that one up later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Aaron_Ward_(DM-34)