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Vahakyla posted:For those who keep this thread on the slow burner: I gotta pay for an update?
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Yes. The different block of A-10 will be considered a separate plane and a separate module.
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Jul 28, 2020 20:27
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Oh, I see. So there'll be 3 A-10s now. Hopefully that means some time in the future, there'll also be an F-18E/F (or a G - a boy can dream!).
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Jul 28, 2020 20:35
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Vahakyla posted:
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Jul 28, 2020 20:44
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They really need to stop hanging out with the Combat Mission devs.
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Jul 28, 2020 20:44
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Anarcho-Commissar posted:Oh, I see. So there'll be 3 A-10s now. Buy a G and then just do air to air loadouts so you can roleplay egregious misuse of national EW assets.
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Jul 28, 2020 20:48
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OhsH posted:hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha Yeah, it's basically what they did with Black Shark (and are doing again with Black Shark).
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Jul 28, 2020 22:34
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I don’t see why a different block of an A-10 should be free, especially since the current one is the most complete module on its own.
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Jul 28, 2020 23:20
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They should finish the features that their customers have paid for prior to beginning new projects.
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Jul 28, 2020 23:30
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Vahakyla posted:I don’t see why a different block of an A-10 should be free, especially since the current one is the most complete module on its own. Stockholm syndrome
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Jul 28, 2020 23:31
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Because it's dumb as poo poo to buy the same exact plane in the same exact game multiple times. If an expansion pack had a couple redundant planes, or overlap with another, that's one thing, but an update for a £50 individual aircraft being paid for? gently caress that.
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Jul 28, 2020 23:32
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Vahakyla posted:I don’t see why a different block of an A-10 should be free, especially since the current one is the most complete module on its own. I can agree with this actually, but I’m gonna need to see the discounted price first. Also these features actually need to be present and working.
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Jul 28, 2020 23:33
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concise posted:They should finish the features that their customers have paid for prior to beginning new projects. Why? The "early access" releases mean that they already have like 95% of the money they're going to make off X project. Literally nobody who was ever going to buy the F/A-18 is holding out for it going "nah, I'll wait until it's complete." So why continue putting development effort into something that won't get you any new revenue? Just because you said you would? lol maybe the planes would be more complete if the flight sim fanbase had the slightest ability to delay gratification.
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Jul 28, 2020 23:34
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Sagebrush posted:Why? The "early access" releases mean that they already have like 95% of the money they're going to make off X project. Literally nobody who was ever going to buy the F/A-18 is holding out for it going "nah, I'll wait until it's complete." So why continue putting development effort into something that won't get you any new revenue? Just because you said you would? lol Blaming the customers for the bad practice of the company isn't exactly the best stance to take. Not to mention that none of the DCS planes are marked under Early Access on Steam, though the description does say "Open Beta".
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Jul 28, 2020 23:44
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Blaming the customers for the bad practice of the company isn't exactly the best stance to take. Not to mention that none of the DCS planes are marked under Early Access on Steam, though the description does say "Open Beta". wow im agreeing w a herp post
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Blaming the customers for the bad practice of the company isn't exactly the best stance to take. Not to mention that none of the DCS planes are marked under Early Access on Steam, though the description does say "Open Beta". i mean no question is ED a lovely company (I have said several times, completely in earnest, that I think they're actually a money-laundering operation for the Russian mob or at least some oligarch failson's pet project) but the reason companies get away with this poo poo is because it doesn't have any consequences.
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Jul 28, 2020 23:49
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I would probably pay (not full price) again for an F-5 varian that had AMRAAMs (or even sparrows) and Mavericks and could carry more than 2 air to air missiles. The F-5 is so fun to fly but actually using it in combat as a low tech air to air option is often somehow more limited than just a Harrier with 4 heaters based on the Harriers loadout and better HUD (at expense of speed and turning like a brick). E: I’m one of the weird users who waited on the F-18 until amraams and IFF and a bunch of other poo poo was fixed, and bought it this past sale. Of course, I might’ve caved if I weren’t already aware I was likely soon deploying when it came out. IMO, owning a Huey shouldn’t have someone expecting to get the UH-1Y model for free. What sucks a lot more is getting a plane where very basic amd essential things kind of suck or are missing (like IFF or RWR or 75% of your weapons). mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Jul 28, 2020 |
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Jul 28, 2020 23:51
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hmmm thinkin' about how much it'll cost to upgrade the MiG-29S into the MiG-29SMT
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:Because it's dumb as poo poo to buy the same exact plane in the same exact game multiple times. If an expansion pack had a couple redundant planes, or overlap with another, that's one thing, but an update for a £50 individual aircraft being paid for? gently caress that. Then don't The A-10C module is more than a decade old and has been feature complete for as long as I can remember. I don't really see why you should expect that a totally different block, built as an update to a module that has long since delivered all the features it promised, should be expected to be free. It's essentially a sequel/standalone expansion. If the discount is such that the price is worth the delta between modules then buy it, if it's not then don't. It's an entertainment product not an essential service.
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Jul 29, 2020 05:10
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APKWS will be sweet as gently caress
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Jul 29, 2020 05:20
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Sagebrush posted:i mean no question is ED a lovely company (I have said several times, completely in earnest, that I think they're actually a money-laundering operation for the Russian mob or at least some oligarch failson's pet project) but the reason companies get away with this poo poo is because it doesn't have any consequences. I was under the impression that one of the main reasons ED gets away with anything is because there's literally no competition?
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Jul 29, 2020 05:55
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Jarmak posted:Then don't Basically this. I don’t see the problem with this. It would be different if they said the rest of the F16 features would be a 60 dollar DLC. This is an already finished module. Why is it bad they’re charging people for releasing another variant with brand new features?
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Jul 29, 2020 06:37
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I don’t think it’s bad they’re charging people, I think it’s bad they’re putting work into it instead of finishing one of their many unfinished projects people have already paid for.
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b-but, if ED doesn't bleed us dry, combat flight sims will die forever
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BMan posted:b-but, if ED doesn't bleed us dry, combat flight sims will die forever They presumably do need some money to run operations. Keeping a module up-to-date in terms of textures and functionality is what I expect to be the maintenance, possibly even some variations if it is discussed such as F-14 getting A and B, and Razbam considering making Strike Eagle but also possibly some international *Rad Name* Eagles. However, like in this case, the new A-10 is a completely different block as far as we know based on the information, and it's definitely something that we should pay for since it is a new plane. As Muhlump said, the Swiss F-5 with AMRAAMs and MFD's and Link16 and what not would also be a functionally different plane, and an upgrade charge would be prudent in that case. Flight sims cost money, and I'm probably on the whale end of purchasing them, but complaining that ED charges money is weird. If we could prove, or reasonably believe, that working on the newer block A-10 takes resources away from F-16 and F-18 for example, I'd definitely agree with you to calm their horses, and prioritize the ones on the burner. However, they've said, as have several 3rd Party Devs said of their own projects, that a lot of them will at any given point have multiple leftover people who can not work on current product, and will thus hammer maps, external models for new planes, or work on systems that don't have commonality with the other project. Seems pretty likely that ED offices also have couple code monkeys who can't all work on the F-16 and F-18. This current Syria map wasn't even made by ED's in-house team. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Jul 29, 2020 |
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Jul 29, 2020 08:05
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Vahakyla posted:Seems pretty likely that ED offices also have couple code monkeys who can't 
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Iirc they recently did a significant cockpit model and texture to update the A10c cockpit to the standard of more recent modules and didn't charge for that and are doing similar with the black shark. I don't have a problem with them charging for the new version of the A10. I do think EDs business model is hot garbage and even some kind of subscription plan would probably be better and lead to less robbing Peter to pay Paul but 
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im okay with em making new variant of a10c. It does raise concerns over them abandoning the original a10c just like they did with original blackshark, but that is basically wait and see kind of thing.
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Jul 29, 2020 18:21
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We know from their own announcements that they shift resources off unfinished products to work on other unfinished products. They don’t have a large enough team to support all the balls they are juggling, so I would argue it is reasonable to think they should cool off a bit on new in house projects. However, their cashflow could be so poorly managed that they don’t know how to survive without constantly shoveling unfinished modules to the market. Or they know their user base will preorder anything they promise to eventually finish forever. Or both and they don’t give a poo poo and are milking their market as hard as they can. ED sucks any way you look at it. Flying the A10 was cool and a new block is exciting. I don’t feel entitled to it for free. I won’t be buying it until F16 is a prioritized project and has been significantly fleshed out, if ever.
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Jul 29, 2020 19:35
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It’s 2020 and I’m still waiting for hip/huey multicrew. Laffo.
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Jul 29, 2020 19:55
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PenisMonkey posted:It’s 2020 and I’m still waiting for hip/huey multicrew. Laffo. This is exactly the problem.
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Jul 29, 2020 20:00
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huey/hip multicrew announced in new 60$ module
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Jul 29, 2020 21:12
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And the new crew position is “passenger in back.”
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Jul 29, 2020 21:21
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I imagine their Huey and other shenanigans is just incompetence. They’d probably like to sell bunch of Huey modules with the ”brand new feature of multicrew!”
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Jul 29, 2020 22:49
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OhsH posted:huey/hip multicrew announced in new 60$ module It's gonna be  just like Combined Arms, which is the best DCS module of all time. STARING OUT THE WINDOW ACTIOOOOOOOOOOON. Can't wait for the Huey trailer with, you loving guessed it, Fortunate Son!
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Jul 29, 2020 22:55
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some folks are born, made to spend 90 dollars on half finished aircraft.
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Jul 29, 2020 23:02
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I hope the Strike Eagle and F-4 (is that is even a thing anymore) have multi crew, but I’m not keeping my hopes up. The Mudhen will still be a blast though I think
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Julius CSAR posted:I hope the Strike Eagle and F-4 (is that is even a thing anymore) have multi crew, but I’m not keeping my hopes up. F-4 got postponed to get the F-16 finished, which, lol. F-15E isn't Eagle, which is good, but iirc it's RAZBAM, which... isn't. It'll at least exist but I hope you aren't expecting it to ever be finished or even close. And don't buy DCS modules based on what they will be, buy them based on what they have/are today.
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Jul 29, 2020 23:18
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The Rata was very nice atleast. The I-16 is crazy charming
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power crystals posted:F-15E isn't Eagle, which is good, but iirc it's RAZBAM, which... isn't. RAZBAM: Somehow more Eagle Dynamics than Eagle Dynamics. The only developer that has in any way set itself apart to me is Heatblur. I’ll buy their modules day one without hesitation.
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