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Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

I canne has csebuf?


Horizon Zero Dawn's merchant system has a weird design decision: when selling off resources you can click on an item and use a slider to select anywhere from 1 to however many of that item an inventory slot holds. But you can't do that when you're buying resources - if you have so much money that you want to stock up enough of something to never scavenge again, you have to just sit there holding the "buy" button while the counter increases.

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Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"



I feel like the end of the fourth mission in Hitman 3 after you destroy the server drags it down. Until then, it's a huge sprawling map with a few really cool points of interest and lots to do, then suddenly you get boxed in by a heavily-armed security force that's hostile to (afaik) every disguise. Plot-wise, it makes perfect sense, but in-game it resulted in me hiding like a rat and scoping the situation out for longer than I would care to admit before slowwwwwwwwwwwly, cautiously, and most importantly tediously closing the level out.

Again, it's thematically fine and makes sense in context, and it's a really nice contrast to the end of mission 3 where after you kill five agents out of several who have infiltrated a nightclub to assassinate you, they realize how outclassed they are, turn tail and run. But that ending is fun and funny, and mission 4's is....just the absolute antithesis of fun. I feel like if I would have gone the other way and absolutely hauled rear end it would have been a lot less painful, but even then it's iffy. Mission 3 is probably the best in the entire series (that I've seen so far, at least) which makes 4 stand out more in contrast.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."


Fortunately it's something you can skip on future playthroughs by choosing a different starting location. Same goes for some of the other cinematic story stuff in 3 like the intro to Dubai and Berlin.

Thinky Whale
Aug 2, 2012

All that most maddens and torments; all that stirs up the lees of things; all truth with malice in it; all that cracks the sinews and cakes the brain; all the subtle demonisms of life and thought; all evil were visibly personified, and made practically assailable in Fry.

Disco Elysium has such good, thoughtful writing. I'm so curious about how the reveal of the terrible sad thing that broke the main character's brain will subvert the awful old cliche of it being something like that his wife left him.

It doesn't. It's that his wife left him, and it is played completely straight.

If it was a bad game it wouldn't have been such a bitter disappointment, but everything else is so good that I let myself get my hopes up. I'm surprised it's not more commonly brought up as the game's low point (unless it has been and I just haven't been keeping up with the thread, in which case disregard this message).

Twitch
Apr 15, 2003

The Jellicle Moon is shining bright


I also got the last day with Cuuno as my partner, so I didn't even get the dream sequence, so it was such an anticlimax I just laughed my rear end off at that reveal.

Also the reveal that Harry's actually a really good detective, law enforcement in Revachol is just poo poo.

Sniper Party
Feb 17, 2011

"I Guess Somebody Fixed All the Problems" -- Confused Citizen


Thinky Whale posted:

Disco Elysium has such good, thoughtful writing. I'm so curious about how the reveal of the terrible sad thing that broke the main character's brain will subvert the awful old cliche of it being something like that his wife left him.

It doesn't. It's that his wife left him, and it is played completely straight.

If it was a bad game it wouldn't have been such a bitter disappointment, but everything else is so good that I let myself get my hopes up. I'm surprised it's not more commonly brought up as the game's low point (unless it has been and I just haven't been keeping up with the thread, in which case disregard this message).
They weren't married and she left years ago. It wasn't some instant brain-breaking event that immediately led to the game's events, it was a slow burn-out that IIRC is also implied to have contributed to her leaving.

Manager Hoyden
Mar 5, 2020



I kind of wish media in general would stop with the trope of a wife leaving completely destroying a guy. Like that's not how it works in real life at all and I feel like you have to imagine it with the genders reversed to see how bonkers it is.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011



Isn't it just the fridging trope but in a less awful incarnation.

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs of siren songs
To oohs to ahhs to big applause
With all of my anger I scream and shout
America, I love you but you're freaking me out


Biscuit Hider

Yeah, its only one part of the burnout but its the one that he latched onto the most visibly and its explicitly very unhealthy

Overwatch Porn
Dec 22, 2006


Manager Hoyden posted:

I kind of wish media in general would stop with the trope of a wife leaving completely destroying a guy. Like that's not how it works in real life at all and I feel like you have to imagine it with the genders reversed to see how bonkers it is.

sorry about your lovely relationships OP

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!



Manager Hoyden posted:

I kind of wish media in general would stop with the trope of a wife leaving completely destroying a guy. Like that's not how it works in real life at all and I feel like you have to imagine it with the genders reversed to see how bonkers it is.

I dunno man I'm like 90% positive that if my partner left me it would lead me down a spiral ultimately ending in death.

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.

Just finished playing the PS2 Stealth game Stolen. It was overall a fun game with some amusing challenges, but one room right near the end is just unfun. You have to do this really slow mechanic cutting holes in metal three times, and each time you have to keep breaking away from it to duck into the shadows to avoid guards who have complex patrol routes all over the room. Also sometimes guards can hear the cutting tool so just because they aren't looking is no guarantee. There are a few rooms that I just had to brute force and flee through until I got to a checkpoint and was able to lay down a save (when you load the save the alarms all stop and the guards are placed in specific parts of their route to allow you to continue without a problem, so there's not load the game and immediately get spotted)

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

I canne has csebuf?


I mean, there's plenty of real life cases where people just go their separate ways, it's just that "and nothing particularly interesting happened" isn't a very good plot hook.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012



Captain Hygiene posted:

I mean, there's plenty of real life cases where people just go their separate ways, it's just that "and nothing particularly interesting happened" isn't a very good plot hook.

Happened in Deus Ex HR at least.

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010



Outriders is overall a decently competent looter shooter, but it does tend to really fall apart whenever it puts you up against nonhuman enemies. At the beginning of the game I picked the "Trickster" class, which is built around giving you extra mobility and making you extra deadly at short range. And against regular human enemies, that works just fine. You can use your mobility and the terrain to your advantage to split up enemy groups and then quickly pick them apart at short range. It's fun and effective.

However, it's very much not effective when you're up against a boss that's just a stationary blob of HP that you physically cannot get close to. Doubly so when the skilltree encourages you to use short-to-medium ranged weapons like shotguns and assault rifles so you're stuck plinking away for minimum damage because the boss is outside their effective damage range. Othernon-human enemies have a similar problem, in that you can't/shouldn't close in on them because they have poorly telegraphed wide-ranging melee attacks that will constantly interrupt or even stunlock you. And since you often fight those in areas with minimal cover you can't really outmaneuver them either, so in practice my class simply isn't really working in those situations.

Now, to the game's credit it's quite easy to quickly dial the difficulty up and down on the fly, so if nothing else you can just put it down to minimum and breeze through those areas killing everything in one shot. But it's still pretty annoying and really messes with the overall flow of the game.

Manager Hoyden
Mar 5, 2020



Captain Hygiene posted:

I mean, there's plenty of real life cases where people just go their separate ways, it's just that "and nothing particularly interesting happened" isn't a very good plot hook.

I dunno it just seems like "I'm literally looking to die because I can't be with my boyfriend/girlfriend" isn't a super interesting or realistic hook either but then again who knows

Maybe the world really is like romeo and juliet, the literal teenagers in a melodrama hundreds of years old

Retro Futurist
Aug 8, 2007

Yesterday's Tomorrow,
Today!




You right what you know, and game devs don't have healthy relationships

Grunch Worldflower
Nov 16, 2020


pentyne posted:

Divinity OS is a rough game in terms of overall approach to design, with a level of obtuseness I'd expect from a mid 90s crpg, but the whole crafting & blacksmithing feature is just such tedious bullshit that I can't believe a single play-tester would've engaged with it and said "yeah, looks good as is" instead of "no, completely overhaul this no one will want to do any of this"

I've seen a lot of bad crafting mechanics in games, but overall D:OS might actually be the worst.

Theres some funny stuff in the D:OS crafting system (the recipe for mashed potatoes is a potato and a hammer) but it's absolutely awful and not worth engaging with beyond elemental arrows if you're a ranger.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012



Manager Hoyden posted:

I dunno it just seems like "I'm literally looking to die because I can't be with my boyfriend/girlfriend" isn't a super interesting or realistic hook either but then again who knows

Maybe the world really is like romeo and juliet, the literal teenagers in a melodrama hundreds of years old

Local goon tries to own thread by revealing they've never had a meaningful relationship.

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

I canne has csebuf?


Manager Hoyden posted:

I dunno it just seems like "I'm literally looking to die because I can't be with my boyfriend/girlfriend" isn't a super interesting or realistic hook either but then again who knows

Sure, it's exaggerated and overused, but at least it has *some* kind of drama to draw from.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010

Dang dicknose don't tuck that money under your eyelids!


Pillbug

I didnt go on a bender so hard I forgot the concept of money but Ive had the loss of a relationship absolutely wreck me, it didnt seem that out of place to me.

Dr Christmas
Apr 24, 2010

Berninating the one percent,
Berninating the Wall St.
Berninating all the people
In their high rise penthouses!


Overwatch tends to backfill pretty quickly, except during the PvE events they have during Halloween and the Archives event they have going on right now, in which case they made is so they don't backfill at all. If your healer leaves, or anyone on a higher difficulty, your game is bust.

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019


I would have preferred it if (Disco Elysium spoilers) Harry got into his current state all by himself. Maybe the depression he saw about him or whatever else, but any kind of specific person trigger feels like it's a bad idea for this kind of game. If he had been beaten by his father or betrayed by his best friend or suffered during the war or whatever then it would be the same to me. The only things I really know, that I really interact deeply with as a player are Harry, his job, and the setting (and Kim but he can't be responsible). So it would feel best to me if his crazy behavior was derived from one of these 2 things. If I decide Harry is lost to depression then I have to do it based on a relationship I never experienced with a woman I never met, and that's just not satisfying to me. Make it about life, the setting, or his job, something I can interact with in the game and come to feel something about myself.

RenegadeStyle1
Jun 7, 2005

Baby Come Back

Gaius Marius posted:

Local goon tries to own thread by revealing they've never had a meaningful relationship.

Is this really that normal? Yeah ive been sad and mopey after a break up but if every break up killed everyone and turned them into a blithering mess how would the world work?

Everyone gets broken up/breaks up with someone. Multiple times in life usually.

Manager Hoyden
Mar 5, 2020



RenegadeStyle1 posted:

Is this really that normal? Yeah ive been sad and mopey after a break up but if every break up killed everyone and turned them into a blithering mess how would the world work?

Everyone gets broken up/breaks up with someone. Multiple times in life usually.

Honestly if you haven't killed yourself multiple times no one has actually loved you

edit: and also they should have killed themselves too if it wasnt obvious that was implied hth

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005
THIS CUSTOM TITLE WILL COME IN HANDY WHILE LURKING


RenegadeStyle1 posted:

Is this really that normal? Yeah ive been sad and mopey after a break up but if every break up killed everyone and turned them into a blithering mess how would the world work?

Everyone gets broken up/breaks up with someone. Multiple times in life usually.

Actually you have suffered a complete mental breakdown after most of your relationships ended, everyone does, you just don't remember because of the amnesia.

Thundercracker
Jun 25, 2004

Proudly serving the Ruinous Powers since as a veteran of the long war.


College Slice

Manager Hoyden posted:

I kind of wish media in general would stop with the trope of a wife leaving completely destroying a guy. Like that's not how it works in real life at all and I feel like you have to imagine it with the genders reversed to see how bonkers it is.

Eh, I've definitely see the reverse in real life. Some people are just built like that. It's especially true if the SO was their rock, and they leave because they couldn't deal with the person's unresolvable issues.

Overwatch Porn
Dec 22, 2006


if my husband left me i'd be a loving wreck for a few years at the least. getting super hosed up over a serious, long-term relationship like a spouse isn't unrealistic and it definitely doesn't have anything to do with gender lmao

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs of siren songs
To oohs to ahhs to big applause
With all of my anger I scream and shout
America, I love you but you're freaking me out


Biscuit Hider

Also that other stuff you mentioned, Phigs? It absolutely played a role, both in the dissolution of the relationship and what came after

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Oct 30, 2009

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Overwatch Porn posted:

if my husband left me i'd be a loving wreck for a few years at the least. getting super hosed up over a serious, long-term relationship like a spouse isn't unrealistic and it definitely doesn't have anything to do with gender lmao

Disagree. If your husband left you I would be fine.

nurmie
Dec 8, 2019


Phigs posted:

I would have preferred it if (Disco Elysium spoilers) Harry got into his current state all by himself. Maybe the depression he saw about him or whatever else, but any kind of specific person trigger feels like it's a bad idea for this kind of game. If he had been beaten by his father or betrayed by his best friend or suffered during the war or whatever then it would be the same to me. The only things I really know, that I really interact deeply with as a player are Harry, his job, and the setting (and Kim but he can't be responsible). So it would feel best to me if his crazy behavior was derived from one of these 2 things. If I decide Harry is lost to depression then I have to do it based on a relationship I never experienced with a woman I never met, and that's just not satisfying to me. Make it about life, the setting, or his job, something I can interact with in the game and come to feel something about myself.

I'm pretty sure the connotation throughout the game is that Harry is the way he is precisely because he got there all by himself, or almost by himself. His girlfriend leaving him is the consequence of that, not the sole reason. Substance abuse has started before she left, iirc. I'd say the material conditions imposed on him by the setting were much more of a factor, tbh

Phigs
Jan 23, 2019


Yeah that's true about all the other stuff having an effect. And I think it made the whole thing better than it would have been if it wasn't the case. I guess the thing I mostly object to was the section at the end where you dream about her. It felt like it put a bit too much emphasis on her and I wasn't really feeling it during that whole bit. Looking back through the rest of the game though you guys are right that the game shows there's more to it than the relationship. Just had that one section looming in my mind when I was thinking about it.

Azathoth Prime
Feb 20, 2004

Free 2nd day shipping on all eldritch horrors.




Overwatch Porn posted:

if my husband left me i'd be a loving wreck for a few years at the least. getting super hosed up over a serious, long-term relationship like a spouse isn't unrealistic and it definitely doesn't have anything to do with gender lmao

My wife left me. I was a loving wreck for years, and you could make a good argument that I still am.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

I'm sorry, everyone.

Manager Hoyden posted:

I kind of wish media in general would stop with the trope of a wife leaving completely destroying a guy. Like that's not how it works in real life at all and I feel like you have to imagine it with the genders reversed to see how bonkers it is.

It can gently caress you up pretty bad depending on how much of your life you dedicated to the marriage and how hosed up your life and finances wound up. Especially if you have a lot of regret and depending on your age. Starting over in the dating scene at 55 is pretty duanting.

That's what I've heard anyway.

Manager Hoyden
Mar 5, 2020



I feel like I'd become a world renowned speed boat enthusiast if my wife ever left me and folks would want to fight me a lot but I'd also have gone to a famous monastery so I'd also be very serene

serefin99
Apr 15, 2016

Mikoooon~
Your lovely shrine maiden fox wife, Tamamo no Mae, is here to help!



Manager Hoyden posted:

I kind of wish media in general would stop with the trope of a wife leaving completely destroying a guy. Like that's not how it works in real life at all and I feel like you have to imagine it with the genders reversed to see how bonkers it is.

As someone whose girlfriend left him near the start of last year and who is still trying to fully recover, I can confirm that this isn't far from real life.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007



You could also argue that her leaving wasn't what wrecked Harry, it was her presence that was keeping a ruined Harry afloat. Once she left he sunk, even if it wasn't the leaving itself that did the damage.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"



Doctor Spaceman posted:

Fortunately it's something you can skip on future playthroughs by choosing a different starting location. Same goes for some of the other cinematic story stuff in 3 like the intro to Dubai and Berlin.

Wait, you can skip the end of that mission somehow? I know about Dubai and Berlin.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."


Rockman Reserve posted:

Wait, you can skip the end of that mission somehow? I know about Dubai and Berlin.

Yeah, if you choose a starting point other than the train station you just have to kill the two targets and escape.

It's a good system that the game does not explain properly.

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Zoig
Oct 31, 2010



Perestroika posted:

Outriders is overall a decently competent looter shooter, but it does tend to really fall apart whenever it puts you up against nonhuman enemies. At the beginning of the game I picked the "Trickster" class, which is built around giving you extra mobility and making you extra deadly at short range. And against regular human enemies, that works just fine. You can use your mobility and the terrain to your advantage to split up enemy groups and then quickly pick them apart at short range. It's fun and effective.

However, it's very much not effective when you're up against a boss that's just a stationary blob of HP that you physically cannot get close to. Doubly so when the skilltree encourages you to use short-to-medium ranged weapons like shotguns and assault rifles so you're stuck plinking away for minimum damage because the boss is outside their effective damage range. Othernon-human enemies have a similar problem, in that you can't/shouldn't close in on them because they have poorly telegraphed wide-ranging melee attacks that will constantly interrupt or even stunlock you. And since you often fight those in areas with minimal cover you can't really outmaneuver them either, so in practice my class simply isn't really working in those situations.

Now, to the game's credit it's quite easy to quickly dial the difficulty up and down on the fly, so if nothing else you can just put it down to minimum and breeze through those areas killing everything in one shot. But it's still pretty annoying and really messes with the overall flow of the game.

Ironically I feel like some builds are the reverse where it kinda sucks against humans but rocks against aliens that just run at you (technomancer minigun build heck yes).

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