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I think the boss in FTL is just a bad idea for a lot of reasons. I'd probably take the boss out before the time limit, even though I hate time limits.
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I want to like enter the gungeon so much, while it is very determined to make sure I don't.
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Digirat posted:I want to like enter the gungeon so much, while it is very determined to make sure I don't. You forgot the part of your post where you elaborate on that.
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Apr 16, 2016 07:21
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What ruins Enter The Gungeon for me is the weapon mechanic. It's just such a blatant step backwards from something like Binding of Isaacs exponentially chaotic upgrade system and it's further dragged down by the ammo mechanic ensuring that if the RNG is not in your favour you won't even get to use the interesting guns for long.
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Higsian posted:I think the boss in FTL is just a bad idea for a lot of reasons. I'd probably take the boss out before the time limit, even though I hate time limits. Yeah, the flagship is far worse than the time limit in FTL. It plays by entirely different rules than the entire rest of the game up to that point, negating legitimate strategies for no other reason than to negate them while also hefting abilities that no other part of the game can prepare you for. Once you get really into FTL, you start realizing that it's sort of a waste of time to build for the game you're actually playing most of the time; since the biggest wall is the flagship, and the flagship behaves so differently to the rest of the game, your best bet is to build specifically for the flagship. It completely invalidates certain builds that are otherwise perfectly valid, because they're just not going to be useful in the one fight you have to do. So that's a more generalized 'thing dragging this game down' I'd call up: Bosses, particularly final bosses, that behave completely differently from the rest of the game. It's one thing to have a boss that requires a slightly different approach, which can work really well (I mentioned one from Bravely Second in the other thread, the boss that's really good at countering a good player, but is totally countered by mediocre play), but it's something else to just force you to be good at something entirely different to progress, especially if it's the final boss. I remember Heroes of Might and Magic V had a final boss like that--it basically didn't even matter how good you were at the actual game since a huge chunk of the final map was an endurance test. Cleretic has a new favorite as of 10:14 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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Apr 16, 2016 10:11
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Cleretic posted:So that's a more generalized 'thing dragging this game down' I'd call up: Bosses, particularly final bosses, that behave completely differently from the rest of the game. It's one thing to have a boss that requires a slightly different approach, which can work really well (I mentioned one from Bravely Second in the other thread, the boss that's really good at countering a good player, but is totally countered by mediocre play), but it's something else to just force you to be good at something entirely different to progress, especially if it's the final boss. I remember Heroes of Might and Magic V had a final boss like that--it basically didn't even matter how good you were at the actual game since a huge chunk of the final map was an endurance test. Drakengard 3
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Apr 16, 2016 10:42
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Cleretic posted:Yeah, the flagship is far worse than the time limit in FTL. It plays by entirely different rules than the entire rest of the game up to that point, negating legitimate strategies for no other reason than to negate them while also hefting abilities that no other part of the game can prepare you for. Once you get really into FTL, you start realizing that it's sort of a waste of time to build for the game you're actually playing most of the time; since the biggest wall is the flagship, and the flagship behaves so differently to the rest of the game, your best bet is to build specifically for the flagship. It completely invalidates certain builds that are otherwise perfectly valid, because they're just not going to be useful in the one fight you have to do. This was my major issue with FTL. They built up the game with clear and consistent strategies, and then the last boss completely negates those tactics and forces you to do the exact opposite. Nothing about fighting flagship is intuitive, it's a completely different game. I can even deal with a bad hand because of RNG, such is the way of rouge-likes. However, for the designers to gently caress around with the actual gameplay for the final boss was just an awful experience that really soured the rest of the game for me.
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Their flashing tongues, spitting out blood and poison.
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Does the game hint at all that you have to switch gears and fight a boss? I already did my job delivering the message, those lazyfuck generals should do the rest.
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One thing that annoys me about Dark Souls 3 is how rare Titanite Shards are compared to how much you need. You seem to need way more than you used to to level up your weapons. My Spellsword blades (Merc Starting Weapon) are at +2 and need 6 Shards to level up. I know it's probably intended to make you try other weapons but most of my other weapons require higher strength or faith than I have so there's no reason to branch out as I'd just be handicapping myself.
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BioEnchanted posted:One thing that annoys me about Dark Souls 3 is how rare Titanite Shards are compared to how much you need. You seem to need way more than you used to to level up your weapons. My Spellsword blades (Merc Starting Weapon) are at +2 and need 6 Shards to level up. I know it's probably intended to make you try other weapons but most of my other weapons require higher strength or faith than I have so there's no reason to branch out as I'd just be handicapping myself. It's also because weapons only go to +10, and there's infusions to go along with that. It's definitely worth killing the fiery Taurus Demon by where the elevator to Road of Sacrifice is for the Fire infusion stone so you can maximize damage to start out, and just use a shriving stone or other infusion later. I dunno how that affects the quest for Siegward though so do it at your own risk if you care about sidequests on your first run
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BioEnchanted posted:One thing that annoys me about Dark Souls 3 is how rare Titanite Shards are compared to how much you need. You seem to need way more than you used to to level up your weapons. My Spellsword blades (Merc Starting Weapon) are at +2 and need 6 Shards to level up. I know it's probably intended to make you try other weapons but most of my other weapons require higher strength or faith than I have so there's no reason to branch out as I'd just be handicapping myself. They space them out really weird and make you think you should be getting a lot more of them then you are, and then all of a sudden you're drowning in Titanite Shards and desperate for just one more Large Titanite Shard, and then this repeats with Titanite Chunks. Something about the flow of it is really disconcerting and messes with a lot of people's expectations as to when you should be upgrading.
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Jia posted:They space them out really weird and make you think you should be getting a lot more of them then you are, and then all of a sudden you're drowning in Titanite Shards and desperate for just one more Large Titanite Shard, and then this repeats with Titanite Chunks. Something about the flow of it is really disconcerting and messes with a lot of people's expectations as to when you should be upgrading. Sounds like Dark Souls to me! I've been super into Arkham Knight lately, and while most of the game I'd put in PYF little things (writing, mook dialogue, animations, awesome skins, overall plot), I do have to admit this game is REALLY bad at making long term goals worth it. 240+ Riddler puzzles and your reward is... you beat the Riddler. Hooray! The nice thing at least is they carry over to the NG+, so you don't have to do them again, but... There's a full set of Gotham's Most Wanted (supervillains) apart from the main story, plus four more for DLC, meaning both NG and NG+ have a completion total of 120%. Your reward for getting 240%? A new batsuit! ...it's the normal batsuit. The bat logo is now gold. Considering how many awesome skins came with the season pass it's pretty drat lazy. 
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Apr 16, 2016 16:17
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Even worse was having to 100% to unlock the true ending. And it's a total loving letdown.
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Dead Rising was a game that did Zombies right, including the idea that it's not actually about the zombies, the zombies are just there to add urgency, it's about other people. Then in Dead Rising 2 they decided to make it about chopping up zombies, which is fun for literally five seconds, and would perhaps be a fun, novel concept if there wasn't a million other games that did the exact same thing. Dead Rising also did time limits right. It was the closest we were going to get to a proper Romero (when he was good) style Zombie game and still is 
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Cross-posting from the FF megathread in Games about the recent PC port of Final Fantasy IXAlphaKretin posted:Can I just rant for a bit about how mildly irritating FFIX's speed-up is? You have to pause to activate it, so it's a pain to flick on quickly to speed up battle transitions or whatever, but it's really loving fast, to the extent that it's difficult to control Zidane on the field or not quickly die in battle, so you can't just leave it on. It's a stupidly petty gripe, I admit, but it just seems poorly executed. I mean also the graphics and stuff but that's kinda  and I imagine will quickly become well-trodden ground.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Even worse was having to 100% to unlock the true ending. And it's a total loving letdown. I actually haven't seen the non-100% ending yet, so that never bothered me. Although I thought it was actually pretty neat. 
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Apr 16, 2016 16:42
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How is Batman even able to get so much done in a single night if he keeps getting side-tracked into completing copy-paste sidequests?
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Inspector Gesicht posted:How is Batman even able to get so much done in a single night if he keeps getting side-tracked into completing copy-paste sidequests? He's got Kringle blood, boy.
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Apr 16, 2016 17:53
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Night lasts like 18 hours in Gotham.
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khwarezm posted:People spend a lot of time bitching the time limit and I don't get it. Its really not that harsh at all and you have the leeway to explore at least 60% of the nodes in a sector before it catches up to you. You can take steps to reduce it, like paying off mercs and heading into nebulae, long range scanners can also help in avoiding null nodes. Look at Dead Rising. If you were following the story: 1 gave you the least amount of time to gently caress about. You had time to rearm/heal but not to really save people, you were better off levelling in a different run. 2 let you save a good amount of people and still have time to rearm. 3 lets you do everything, gently caress about climbing stuff looking for the blueprints, fight a nutbag then oh loook, still have fifty minutes until the timer ticks down. I remember a ton of people having a cry over Invisible Inc's main campaign too. Also ha if you think FTL was bullshit with it's luck/events, car-based FTL-like Convoy used to kill your tricked out convoy vehicles in text events.
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Apr 16, 2016 19:29
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Remember in Arkham City when Batman was gravely ill and then spent three hours collecting Riddler trophies?
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Batman can't take time off, crime doesn't die of terminal illness.
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Apr 16, 2016 19:58
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I've heard numerous times how Arkham Knight's a) "True ending" is bullshit because it requires 100% b) "True ending" is just a short cutscene Is it really something that can be called a true ending instead of a bonus trophy for completing every side task?
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Apr 16, 2016 20:20
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Ddraig posted:Dead Rising was a game that did Zombies right, including the idea that it's not actually about the zombies, the zombies are just there to add urgency, it's about other people. Whilst I do enjoy 2 and 3 a great deal, the original DR is a classic that I will probably always love. You may enjoy Project Zomboid or State of Decay if you're looking for a good zombie game. Former's zeds can be fully customized (but a lot of people don't get along with the UI/controls), the latter is too easy and has bullshit special zombies but most of those can be removed with a mod, and I can't really bitch about the game given how much time I put into it. Things dragging down 95% of zombie games: Special zombies with bullshit powers. You can do that sensibly, like cop zombies wearing their riot gear so they're way tougher, but when you start adding hunters and tanks and poo poo, it's not a zombie game anymore. Zombie media isn't about the zombies, as Ddraig said. There's a fuckload of games with zombies out there, but hardly any zombie games (doesn't stop people bitching about "yet another zombie game" of course ).
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Croccers posted:Any time there's any kind of time/turn limit in a game, everyone gets up in arms over it that it's too short and it ruins the game balance and I just want to do everything instead stop rushing me there's just too much pressure aaah this game is terrible why is there a time limit? I'm not sure how to approach it, l genuinely think that time limits can add to a game by forcing a player out of their comfort zone and creating real tension while playing, I might get pissed off at the time when I fail to stabilize a soldier in XCOM or whatever but looking back I always find its those sorts of situations to be where the most dramatic, memorable moments are created while playing. On the other hand I get it, its intrinsically frustrating in a way a lot of people don't want to have to deal with when they just want to play a fun videogame. I don't think it really matters in FTL or other roguelikes since its not like I'm missing out on interesting plot details or something and the game rounds are so short that you'll probably see all the possible events fairly quickly. But in a more traditional narrative driven game, like Dead Rising I suppose, it can be grating if it feels like the game's kicking you for trying to play at your own pace. One thing I really wish developers and writers would stop doing is making the narrative super urgent and pressed for time when its not reflected in the gameplay at all. Somebody just mentioned Arkham City and that's really annoying in that regard, Batman's like ten minutes away from death, according to the narrative, but you can swan around the open world for five hours not doing poo poo about your poisoning? Why the hell would you even set it up like that? Skyrim is a bit similar, it has lots of 'Meet me here as soon as possible!' or 'We need to stop X immediately!' moments in the main plot even though you can reliably and are likely to put gaps of tens of hours between story missions while you fistfight polar bears for their eyeballs or whatever. It makes everything seem so poorly paced, static and often working against the player's desires, again, why would you write it like this?
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Dark Souls 3 has confused me - The Witch on the stairs towards the cathedral was apparently replaced with a standard Worker with a pitchfork. Of course the doors open from the other side, but still... are the enemies randomised somewhat or what has happened there?
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Apr 16, 2016 20:29
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khwarezm posted:But in a more traditional narrative driven game, like Dead Rising I suppose, it can be grating if it feels like the game's kicking you for trying to play at your own pace. Not sure about DR1 but DR2 can be finished at about half the max level, which you can get to in around two half-finished playthroughs of story and rescuing.
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Apr 16, 2016 20:47
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Kennel posted:I've heard numerous times how Arkham Knight's If you beat the game without getting 100% the ending ends on a cliffhanger and actively tells you to get 100% to see the rest of the cutscene. It's when you actually beat it you find out that the cliffhanger in question isn't even resolved and just leaves things even more cryptic.
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BioEnchanted posted:Dark Souls 3 has confused me - The Witch on the stairs towards the cathedral was apparently replaced with a standard Worker with a pitchfork. Of course the doors open from the other side, but still... are the enemies randomised somewhat or what has happened there? Some groups of enemies patrol the area instead of standing still waiting for you to show up. If you want firehugs, you'll have to go looking for her (or wait until she shows up)
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That's not it, she only patrolled up and down the stairs, and I went into the sewer area at the end of the path and then up the stairs and she was nowhere. I don't know where she went.
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BioEnchanted posted:Dark Souls 3 has confused me - The Witch on the stairs towards the cathedral was apparently replaced with a standard Worker with a pitchfork. Of course the doors open from the other side, but still... are the enemies randomised somewhat or what has happened there? They're not random per se. As mentioned, some patrol, but it also seems some have slightly broken ai that ends up despawning them. Doesn't happen often as in to many enemies, though.
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It doesn't completely drag down the genre (cuz I'll stlll play them, the campaigns at least), but I can't figure out how the hell some people play RTSes at higher game speeds. Like, I'm playing Starcraft 2 right now, usually keep it on Slowest or Slow speed, and that works. If I pump it up any higher to wait for some stuff to be built/produced, it blows my mind that people can process poo poo that quickly.
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Tiggum posted:That's because time limits are terrible. This doesnt surprise me, I suspect that having anything in a game that even subliminally reminds people that the clock is still ticking on their real, only life while they're in fantasy land will disturb and alienate some portion of the audience
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Ddraig posted:Dead Rising also did time limits right. It was the closest we were going to get to a proper Romero (when he was good) style Zombie game and still is I got the game because I bought into all the advertisements that portrayed it as a goofy romp through a mall murdering zombies in wacky ways. Game started up and every mission had an obnoxious yellow timer bar, and half the time one hit the end because I was trying to actually have fun playing the game, it'd just kick me to the game over screen or berate me for not rushing over to do whatever the game wanted me to do. When I finally managed to ignore the fun part of the game to go do the stupid poo poo it wanted me to do, it put me up against a boss fight against a guy running around on roof tops shooting me with a gun I had no real way to deal with. And it was beat my head against this brick wall of not fun, or just game over forever.
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I vaguely recall a post somewhere here that explained how they've scientifically shown that humans are the only creature who 'gets' their own mortality. Like, if you give any animal a "This path hurts but takes less time, this path takes twice as long but doesn't hurt" experiment, the animals will near-always take the longer, painless route. Humans have a natural inclination to take the other route, because they prioritize the time.
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Similarly, I don't like games that tell you your total playtime. Nothing makes me feel like a useless shitbag more than seeing that I've spent 60 hours of my life playing a video game!
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I like time counters because it lets me see how much I've gotten out of my purchase, or how much "work" I've put into a game. It's oddly satisfying to see the numbers go up, especially in those instances where I manage to break into the three digits. A pet peeve of mine is when the game doesn't count the time correctly and does dumb things like tick the clock when the game is paused, minimized, etc. I want an accurate reading, drat it! I also lead a busy life and have other varied and more social hobbies, so video game time hardly feels like wasted hours these days.  Though I could probably get better at working out more regularly....
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Nuebot posted:Really? I feel like it was one of the worst done examples of time limits. Where Dead Rising failed is it never managed to bill itself as a Way-of-the-Samurai-esque romp through a tiny little timeline repeatedly, but that's totally what it is. Each time you try and fail you come back to the start more powerful and even moving faster, so while the first time through is a race against the clock, your 30th time through you're wearing a clown costume and running like the Doomguy through the mall, rescuing people faster than you even realized you could. It's built around doing NG+ and seeing what different ways you can run through it, but it almost NEVER tells you that. It's one of the best 360 games once that clicks though.
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Dewgy posted:Where Dead Rising failed is it never managed to bill itself as a Way-of-the-Samurai-esque romp through a tiny little timeline repeatedly, but that's totally what it is. Each time you try and fail you come back to the start more powerful and even moving faster, so while the first time through is a race against the clock, your 30th time through you're wearing a clown costume and running like the Doomguy through the mall, rescuing people faster than you even realized you could. I completely agree. A relevant thing that drags a game down, Lightning Returns Final Fantasy XIII what? does bill itself as doing something similar, and looking at the systems in place it might be pretty fun to play that way, except, the game is way too easy, so you'll never be forced to restart, and way too long (for this sort of thing at least), so playing through repeatedly is an iffy proposition. Maybe if dying in battle forced a restart instead of only eating an hour. 
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Dead Rising was great because the Zombies were filler. Past a certain point, you just don't care about them anymore. You will always, always freak out when you hear this, though. Always. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atKUCxXanXA
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