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mcpringles
Jan 26, 2004

:siren:PLAYING WITH GOONS:siren:
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There are currently 4 versions of Brave Frontier. JP is the original, global is 4-5 months behind JP, Korea is somewhere between JP and global and Europe which is 3-4 months behind global. We all play on global. If you are in Europe and want to play with goons download the global APK on android.




What is Brave Frontier?

Brave Frontier is a free to play turn based RPG which shares some similarities to games like Puzzle & Dragons and Defenders of Texel. Like other games you fuse units to level them and evolve them into more powerful versions. Unlike other games this plays more like a JRPG. You field a squad of 6, with one unit being your leader who grants an ability to the party and a friend who also grants a leader ability. You take turns with the enemy swapping attacks like a traditional JRPG. Instead of relying on speed to determine attack order you tap on each units icon to initiate their attack animation. Different units take different lengths of time before they attack which creates some strategy. If two units strike at the same time they create a spark which deals bonus damage. As you fight your brave burst Meter fills up which allows you to pull off a powerful attack, heal or buff. Think limit breaks from Final Fantasy 7.


Game Resources

Like most free to play games there are a number of limited resources. You can either wait for things to regenerate over time or pay money to speed things up.
  • Gems: The paid resource in the game. Used to refill resources or summon rare units.
  • Energy: The main free resource in the game. Used to run quests and dungeons. Regenerate 1 energy every 10 minutes. Refills when you level.
  • Arena Orbs: Used to fight in the arena against other players. Regenerate 1 orb every hour. Refills when you level
  • Zel: Used to evolve and level up your units. Gained by hitting enemies or selling jewel units.
  • Karma: Used to upgrade your town and make spheres. Not that important compared to the other resources.
  • Hunter Orbs: Used for participating in Frontier Hunter. Regenerate 1 every 3 hours. Does not refill on level.
The game is pretty good about giving you free gems. As a free player you will want to use most of your gems on rare summons. Each quest area will give you a gem on the last stage and there are currently 49 stages. Every 3 arena ranks gives a gem and some special vortex dungeons will give a gem for completing the hardest level. They are also given out occasionally as rewards or as compensation for server issues.
Useful Terms

  • BB: Brave Burst. Your units super combo or limit break. Can be leveled from 1-10 to increase the potency.
  • SBB: Super Brave Burst :ssj:. More powerful than BB but takes two full bars to use. Unlocks when you watch your best friend die Unlocks on all 6* units once BB level is 10. SBB can also level from 1-10.
  • FH: Frontier Hunter. A week long event that happens once a month. Gain rewards for high scores in dungeons and rank relative to other players.
  • Mono: References a team of mostly one element type to take advantage of elemental weakness and elemental ore/seal items.
  • Rainbow: References a team of multi elemental types
  • MP: Metal Parade. Gives valuable metal units to level up your team.
  • RNG: Random Number Generator. The reason why poo poo you want never drops.
  • BC: Brave Crystal. Fills your Brave Burst bar by 1. You usually get 1 per hit from each attack.
  • HC: Heart Crystal. Gives your unit a small heal. Randomly drop after hits.
Leveling



Leveling is done by fusing 1-5 units with your main unit. As your unit levels up the fusion costs greatly increase. It is not recommended to fuse normal units for exp unless your main unit level is very low. Unlike other games there is no reason to fuse duplicate units together.

Instead your primary source of experience is from elemental ghosts, kings, and gods from the Metal Parade. Metal Parade is accessed by using one metal key and lasts for one hour. Keys are obtained from Imperial Capital Randall under the Administration Office.

Kings give 11K exp and Gods give 51K exp. If you fuse units with the same element as your base unit you get a bonus 50% experience.

Metal Parade costs 15 energy and gives 1,000 experience per run. The best time to use a key is when you get close to leveling. If you have between 45 and 59 energy you can do 3 runs. Use a key when you have 2,001 - 2,999 experience to level. On your third run you will level up and can run the dungeon 3 more times. Once you run out of energy the second time you can idle on the dungeon screen until you get 15 more energy to do one final run, even after your hour expires.
BB Leveling

Each units brave burst can be leveled from 1 to 10. Each BB level increases the percent damage/buff/heal the BB does. Each level gets progressively harder to obtain. When a unit is evolved its BB level is reduced by half. Since it can be resource intensive to level a BB to 10 it is not advised unless it is a 5/6 star unit that doesn't have an evolution coming up soon. For lowever level players you can still get in a few BB levels on 4 star units, just don't go crazy.

-Levels are obtained by fusing units of the same BB type. So if you want to level an attack BB fuse it with trash monsters with attack BB's such as the slimes.

-A burst frog is guaranteed to increase your BB level by 1. It is best to save these for your last few BB levels as those are the hardest and frogs are hard to come by. Burst frogs are given out as prizes for Frontier Hunter and are very rare drops in the goddess dungeons.

-The best way to BB level is to start feeding your unit low level trash mobs when it is level one. Once you get to around 20 or so the zel cost per unit will be over 2,000. At this point its more cost effective to max level your unit and then continue BB leveling. At max level you get a huge discount on fusion cost (around $2,000 per unit).

-If you fuse units with the same name (ie 6* Vargas with 2* Vargas) you have a very high chance of gaining a BB level (70-80%). Proof: Me feeding 5 goblins to another goblin and getting 5 levels.

-Each unit will only BB level from one type of unit. The following determines what to feed your unit: Attack > Heal > Buff. IE if you have an attack/heal BB you need attack. If you have a heal/buff BB you need a heal.

-Farming Morgan or St. Lamia over Mistrel will give you much more Zel to help offset fusion costs. Use a Thief Leon leader and/or Zelinite Ring for extra Zel.

-There aren't any spots that drop 100% healers or 100% buffers. If you have multiple unit types to level farm either heal or buff monster for maximum efficiency.

-Best spots for attack BB farming: Morgan - Kagan Desert (5 Energy Maps). If you must do Mistrel do Cave of Flames - Weilder of Fire (3 Energy) over Start of Adventure (5 unit drop chances vs. 4).

-Best Healing spots: Morgan - Nocturnal Forest (5 Energy) or St. Lamia - Blood Forest - Frail Spirit of the Forest (8 Energy). Light maps in Morgan/St. Lamia are also decent.

-Best Buff spots: Morgan - Asekutt Wasteland (5 Energy) or Mistrel - Forest of Beasts - Puppeteer of Trees (3 Energy).
Evolutions

Each unit can be evolved a number of times. Each evolution increases the max level, max stats, hit count, and can increase the LS and BB.

To evolve a unit it must be max level and requires a large amount of zel plus evolution materials.

Once you evolve a unit his current stats will be lower than his previous stats until you level him about halfway to its new max level.
Unit Typing

Each unit can be one of five types:
  • Lord: normal stats
  • Anima: +HP, -Rec
  • Breaker: +Attack, -Defense
  • Guardian: +Defense, -Attack
  • Oracle: +Rec, -HP
The general consensus is oracle is bad except for low recovery units. There is also a very small chance when evolving a unit that it will change types, but don't bet on it. Overall the units type isn't that big of a deal so don't worry about it too much unless it is a unit you can farm or you have multiple copies. A godly unit with a bad type is still better than an okay unit with its best type.
Arena

The arena allows you to fight against other players to try and increase your rank. Every rank gives you a reward. Every third rank is a gem with the other two being spheres.

After each match you gain or lose points based on if you won or lose and your rank compared to your opponents. To maximize your gains and minimize your losses make sure to active "Show ABP Mode". If you tap on the box shown below just around the refresh button a few times, the next time you hit refresh it should show your opponents ABP. Try to fight opponents 2,500-3,000 ABP above yours to get the maximum amount of points (200).


Frontier Hunter

Frontier hunter is a special event that lasts about a week and has been taking place once a month. You enter through Imperial Capital Randall. FH takes no energy and instead use frontier orbs which regenerate every three hours.

You earn esteem points for clearing each stage depending on how well you do. Bonuses are given for multi kills, sparks, bb kills, elemental weakness attacks, using no items, and fast finishes. If you reach a specified number of esteem at the end of your run you will be rewarded. Prizes have included zel, gems, burst frogs and really good spheres. The easiest way to get a high score is to bring units with aoe BB's and have them all BB and finish off each enemy on the same turn.

You also receive service points which accumulate throughout the whole event. Your service points are compared to everyone else competing to determine your rank. At the end of the event you will gain hunter ranks depending on how high you ranked. Hunter ranks carry over through each event. Each hunter rank gives you additional rewards. Every 5 ranks starting at 6 unlocks an NPC hero (Seria, Lugina, Paris, Tilith).

Once you get all the rewards its best to move on to a higher difficulty. 200,000 esteem on FH End will give you more service points than 500,000 esteem on FH Middle.
Resources
  • Official Facebook and Twitter. The devs are pretty good about posting info here.
  • Brave Frontier Wiki. Useful for finding information about units and items.
  • Japanese Wiki. Has information on future units we have not received yet. Use Chrome on your phone/pc and it should translate most of it for you.
  • Brave Frontier Info Spreadsheet. This google doc has a ton of useful information on it. I keep it up on one of my phone's browser tabs and reference almost daily. Very handy for finding out how much experience you need when leveling units.
  • Unit Inventory Tool Useful for planning out squads and keeping track of units. It doesn't work on my phone but looks handy.
  • BF Guide App. An Android app that gives you info on the stats of all units plus the unreleased Japanese units.

mcpringles fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Jul 30, 2014

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mcpringles
Jan 26, 2004

FAQ

Do I need to reroll 100 times like PAD?
No rerolling is not necessary. The units from rare summons are about 10% god-like, 50% great, 30% okay, and 10% crap. Odds are in your favor to get decent units and you will get more gems as you play. Re-rolling can be done if you want to try for the best possible starting units but it requires having a rooted phone or using an android emulator.

What is the best starter to pick?
It doesn't really matter. All the starters are about the same and you will eventually have them all.

How do I get more starters then?
Starters have a low chance of showing up in some elemental vortex dungeons (~30%) and have a very low chance of dropping when killed (~5-10%). You also have a small chance (~2%) of pulling one from an honor summon. If you really want a certain starter farm the poo poo out of a dungeon it drops in and hope for the best. Otherwise save all your honor summons until an honor event.

How does gifting work?
Unlike other games gifting is free. If you give someone money it does not decrease your Zel. Since it is free make sure to gift every day or people will unfriend you. Either send everyone the items they want or send Honor/Zel. Do not send other items unless people request them or you might get unfriended. Tap on the three boxes to select the gifts you would like to request.

Should I make a mono or rainbow team?
It depends on what units you have. Just use your best units starting out regardless of element. As you start summoning if you get a lot of one element go with it, otherwise keep using a rainbow team. Feel free to ask the thread for squad building help.

Mono Pros:
  • Elemental weakness will give you a huge advantage in the dungeon you are strong against.
  • Elemental Ores and Seals give a 50% boost to damage/defense for 3 turns to one element which can help you do content you otherwise wouldn't be able to.
  • Many units LS has a 25%/50% damage bonus to one element which can give you double damage when combined with a friend's LS.
Mono Cons:
  • Less efficient to level. 50% bonus exp from only 1/6th of metal units.
  • Harder to get evolution materials. Every unit will need the same elemental idol.
  • Later level dungeons have units of multiple types. Some elemental dungeon will have squads of units designed to kill a mono team exploiting elemental weakness.
Rainbow Pros:
  • New 50% rainbow leaders mean you can do the same damage as a mono squad in the arena and FH where there are no ores/seals.
  • More efficient to level. A team with 4-5 different elements can distribute metal units by element to maximize experience gains.
  • Easier to get evolution materials. You might have a hard time getting 1 or 2 idols to drop, but you will at least be able to level some of your units.
  • More versatile. Each dungeon will be about the same difficulty since you have units of most types. No need to swap out units depending on the element of the dungeon.
  • Later level dungeons have units of multiple types.
Rainbow Cons:
  • 25% rainbow leaders are weaker than the 50% mono leaders.
  • The new 50% rainbow leaders don't have aoe BB's which most people prefer.
  • Rainbow teams can't take advantage of elemental seals/ore and will do less damage than a mono squad.

Honor Summon only gives me crap. Should I even bother?
Save all your honor for a honor summon up event. Normally you have about a 2% chance of getting a starter, 3% chance of a farmable hero (not counting Zebra), 10% evolution material and 85% crap. During the honor event most of the crap is replaced with jewel/metal units.

My item space is full should I use gems to expand it?
Do you have unlimited money? Then sure. Are you a paid player? No don't waste your gems. Are you a free player? HELL NO. Gem's are valuable and 5 more item spots isn't really going to do much for you. You don't really use that many items, so even if you increase your item space to 150 you will eventually be full again. After a while you can stop bothering with the town harvests because it barely gives anything besides low level items you don't need anyways.

Should I increase my max unit capacity?
Even if you're a free player it is advised to increase your unit capacity at some point. For the cost of one rare summon (5 gems) you can increase your capacity by 25. This will allow you to carry extra evolution materials (mainly idols and pots) which will make your life much easier. Keeping around 1-2 of each idol will make your life a whole lot easier. Having extra room will also help with metal parade runs. Wait until you have one decent squad and are at full unit capacity before you consider expanding.

I'm a free player what units can I get for free?
You have a few different options and can make a good squad without spending any money. Obviously rare summon characters will always be better. You will be using mostly rare units even as a free player but may want to supplement your team.
  • Starters: See above.
  • Farmable Heros: This tier includes Zegar, Zephu, Lario, Weiss, Luna and Mifune. All can be obtained through honor or rare summon. Zephu or Weiss can be obtained through facebook. They all have a very small chance to drop in St. Lamia and Cordelica.
  • Special Vortex Heroes: This tier includes Galant, Stya, Nemia, Zeln, Alma and Orobo. Each had a special vortex dungeon with a chance to capture them. You can also capture that elements starter if you're super lucky. Currently only evolve to 4* but have a 5* update coming soon. Their dungeons will show up again from time to time.
  • Battle Maidens: This is a current collaboration event with Gumi's new game Puzzle Troopers. Each battle maiden released so far has been godly for a free unit. Some are on par or better than paid units of the same type. Get these at all costs.
  • Zebra: Zebra is a new farmable unit obtained from The Mad God Descends quest under Encervis. He has a very small drop rate like the other farmable heros.
  • Goddesses: Obtained from their respective goddess vortex dungeons. They give LS for 50% damage to 2-3 elements at once.
  • Others: The rest of the units that drop are mostly crap. If you don't have a rare healer you can use either Maria, May or Claris (preferably an anima). Thief Leon is also recommended for farming the weekend Zel dungeon/Jewel Parade as his LS gives a bonus to Zel drops.

There is so much poo poo to do. What do I focus on? HELP!
On free days focus on the special vortex dungeons if you are strong enough to get the free hero. Otherwise work on the quest lines and do metal parades to level up. Generally your schedule will go like this:
  • Monday: Free Day
  • Tuesday: Farm evolution materials
  • Wednesday: Free day unless you need mimics
  • Thursday: Free day unless you need and can kill totems
  • Friday: Free day
  • Saturday/Sunday: Free day or farm Zel.

Where is the best place to farm evolution materials? If you say the Tuesday vortex dungeon for idols you're loving dead.
Nymphs, Spirits, Idols and Pots can be found in the Tuesday vortex dungeon levels 1-4 respectively. You can also find Nymphs in Minstrel and Spirits in Moragn which drop pretty frequently. Idols can be found in St. Lamia and Cordelica. Pots can be found in Palymna. Idols and Pots have a very low drop rate. If you only need one type of Nymph/Spirit you can get them pretty easily farming. If you need multiple types you can get 4-5 per vortex run. It is not recommended to farm for idols/pots outside of the vortex dungeon unless you are really desperate. The drop rate is bad.

Evolutions are expensive whats the best way to get Zel?
You either want to farm the Saturday/Sunday vortex dungeon or do jewel parade runs.
Level up a Thief Leon. His LS gives increased zel drops on sparks. You should also build a zel/zelinite ring which help as well. Make sure to single target kill everything for maximum zel drops.

I need fate/paladin stones for elemental ore/seals. How do I farm them?
First you need a thief bracer. This isn't required but makes them more likely to drop. This is obtained at arena rank 9 (18,000 ABP). If you don't have one ask in the thread and a higher level goon will equip one to his leader for you. The light and dark stages of Cordelica can drop them. The Deadly Melody quest under The Tower of Light is the best spot that I know of. You can also get the from harvesting a high level mountain in your town.

mcpringles fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Jun 2, 2014

McDragon
Sep 11, 2007

New thread, lovely. Nice title.

Rainbow teams are the best.

ViolentQuiche
Jul 17, 2010
Thunderbird is King of poo poo Mountain

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


ViolentQuiche posted:

Thunderbird is King of poo poo Mountain

Oracle Zeln is the prince.

mcpringles
Jan 26, 2004

If anyone has anything else they want in the OP let me know!

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


I might put more emphasis on the goon spreadsheet, I think a lot of people miss that, and with the big flashy splash screen just one line below, there's a lot of visual noise that can make that all-too-important link disappear. Maybe even just bold the whole thing and put a couple extra blank lines after.

mike-
Jul 9, 2004

Phillipians 1:21
It might even be a good idea to start a new sheet, I think there are a lot of inactive players on that one

Pseudoscorpion
Jul 26, 2011


Nice OP.

I do have to say that while every starter is really good (as in, pretty much best-in-slot at 5* and 6* evolutions), certain elements in general are weaker than others with respect to rare summons. Off the top of my head I would say that the 'tier list' would look something like Fire > Earth > Water > Lightning insofar as Fire has more good rares than earth, and so on and so forth. Dark and Light fit in there somewhere too. This doesn't really factor into the choice, really, since you still have no idea what you'll pull from the rare summon, but if you think you'll be living the Free To Play Dream and pull four Thunderbirds out of the rare summon, Eze is gonna be a lot more useful than the other leaders to counteract the pure suckitude of your team.

Or you could just choose whoever you think looks coolest. That's probably the best course of action.

Victis
Mar 26, 2008

mike- posted:

It might even be a good idea to start a new sheet, I think there are a lot of inactive players on that one

That's probably a good idea. Speaking of which your Tiara would come in handy if you could clear a spot McDragon (7590837673 is me)

mcpringles
Jan 26, 2004

Yeah a new spreadsheet might be good. Does someone want to make that? I tweaked that top part about the spreadsheet, is that any better or should it be moved somewhere else maybe?

I don't think who you pick as a starter matters too much. Like you said its all random anyways so you might pick a Vargas and end up with no rare fire units. Plus I don't think people would all agree on what elements are the best. After a while you should be able to get them all from honor summons or farm one through a vortex event if you really want it. I know I've gotten every starter through honor summon at least once. You're better off just picking whoever you think looks cool and worrying about it later.

mike-
Jul 9, 2004

Phillipians 1:21

Victis posted:

That's probably a good idea. Speaking of which your Tiara would come in handy if you could clear a spot McDragon (7590837673 is me)

I don't actually have a tiara, I run a Lodin or Vargas.

Ill clear room to add you though

I actually just looked at the sheet that was linked and I think there was a different sheet in the other thread? I know I had updated my listing, but it still had me listed as running a Lorand as my leader and I haven't done that in forever.

mike- fucked around with this message at 23:00 on May 17, 2014

Mr Confetti
Feb 1, 2013

Bad Munki posted:

Oracle Zeln is the prince.

Dryad is queen.

Does anyone wanna claim my referral Gods? The numbers 4961488564 if you do. :cheers:

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Victis posted:

That's probably a good idea. Speaking of which your Tiara would come in handy if you could clear a spot McDragon (7590837673 is me)

If it's useful, I'm running a cyborg (rainbow light leader) as well. I imagine most people end up with the four regular elements, so I think she'll be one of the handiest rainbow leaders.

shady anachronism
Oct 14, 2006

Where's my goddamned milk?!

Oh, cool. New thread. I'm new to this game (only been playing for a week now) and the stuff in the op is organized and helpful.

I managed to get Michele on like my second rare pull, so I've been mostly using her with a rainbow team. Seems to be working out pretty well so far. Thanks also to the goons who have been willing to friend me. Your leaders have been helping to powerlevel my low level rear end.

I was wondering if the recent patch did anything to help Oracle units? The reason I ask is that I have no rare black units, and just pulled a Lemia, which of course was Oracle. On the one hand, I think I would like a black AoE unit, and I have a couple metal kings stored up with nothing to use them on. On the other hand, oracle is less than ideal and I might just wind up disappointed.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


I think the oracle fix went out with the latest update, yes.

As for friending: if you tried to friend me (and other goons do this too, I know) and you didn't have anything identifying yourself as a goon in your player notes, I ignored the request. I just do that because I want to keep space for goons. If you put something about SA or goons or stairs or whatever we can spot you by, you'll definitely get priority. :)

I wouldn't bother saving your metal kings for later: put them on something you can use now. You get a couple metal keys a week, and if you're only a week into this, you'll level so easily you'll be able to run metal parades all the freakin' time.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.
Down to Lancia, Dean and Seria in the arena, all were at about 40% hp or less, enemy team was all alive and near full HP.

Dean and Serin both used their BBs and killed them all, including a 7.5k HP Vargas and 5.8k hp Magress. :black101:

shady anachronism
Oct 14, 2006

Where's my goddamned milk?!

Bad Munki posted:

I think the oracle fix went out with the latest update, yes.

As for friending: if you tried to friend me (and other goons do this too, I know) and you didn't have anything identifying yourself as a goon in your player notes, I ignored the request. I just do that because I want to keep space for goons. If you put something about SA or goons or stairs or whatever we can spot you by, you'll definitely get priority. :)

I wouldn't bother saving your metal kings for later: put them on something you can use now. You get a couple metal keys a week, and if you're only a week into this, you'll level so easily you'll be able to run metal parades all the freakin' time.

Thanks! Will keep the Oracle then.

Yeah, I should probably try sending/resending some friend requests now. I did actually update my note with "SA Goon" almost right away. But I was in single digit levels (with only a baby Eze) when I sent some of those requests, so nothing much to speak of. At least I've got Michele at level 46 now, so that's more useful.

I'm Shadyan (2017206382) on the spreadsheet, by the way. A new spreadsheet would be great if there there are a lot of inactive folks in there.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


Well, if I see something that marks the person as a goon, I literally don't even look at the person's stats. :)

sugar free jazz
Mar 5, 2008




Thanks Mr. Majinfenrir for the rad Felneus assist. Lost my Tiara on stage 4, killed Falma and Grafl, stage 5 opens and...it's 6 star Lance, Selina, Vargas and Eze! gently caress yeah, with Kikuri, Vargas SBB, Il and Mina, and Felneus SBB, my tree could heal every turn while the other 4 poo poo damage and sparks. Felneus really does own super hard.

Walamor
Dec 31, 2006

Fork 'em Devils!
Just recently started and holy crap there is a lot to figure out/do, but it seems pretty hard to screw yourself over, or at least I hope it is. It's a pretty nice looking game and runs well on a 2 year old android, so I'm pleased with it so far. Is there any reason not to do autobattle every time? The fights seem easy and faster with it on, though I guess sometimes they use their ults at the end of fights when I wouldn't want them to. Also, I've assumed that named dudes shouldn't be used as Fuse material, just monsters, is that correct?

Added my friend id to the spreadsheet!

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.
I just don't get it. I cannot figure out how the gently caress you get these higher scores. If I take half a dozen turns to whittle something down it's just as bad/worse than trying to blow it up in a single round. Wave 4 of middle also seems to always be only 2 mobs which completely and utterly fucks me over for points. I get 25-30 on wave 4 if I'm lucky due to this bullshit. What the hell am I missing here? It can't just be sparks because they give maybe 100 points per space and even if I 5 starred everything that's currently 4 stars it might get me an extra 5-10k if I'm lucky.


Just what the hell am I missing in this scoring bullshit? Is there any setup on wave 4 middle that isn't a giant gently caress YOU consisting of just being 2 mobs which give piss-poor points unless you have some off-element unit you can use to plink at it forever and maybe, maybe get points via weakness? (which looks to be 100 points per hit).

mike-
Jul 9, 2004

Phillipians 1:21
I wonder if they will ever bring back the older version of frontier hunter, the marathon type one. I think I liked the concept better than this one where you do weird stuff to score high.

sugar free jazz
Mar 5, 2008

Evil Fluffy posted:

I just don't get it. I cannot figure out how the gently caress you get these higher scores. If I take half a dozen turns to whittle something down it's just as bad/worse than trying to blow it up in a single round. Wave 4 of middle also seems to always be only 2 mobs which completely and utterly fucks me over for points. I get 25-30 on wave 4 if I'm lucky due to this bullshit. What the hell am I missing here? It can't just be sparks because they give maybe 100 points per space and even if I 5 starred everything that's currently 4 stars it might get me an extra 5-10k if I'm lucky.


Just what the hell am I missing in this scoring bullshit? Is there any setup on wave 4 middle that isn't a giant gently caress YOU consisting of just being 2 mobs which give piss-poor points unless you have some off-element unit you can use to plink at it forever and maybe, maybe get points via weakness? (which looks to be 100 points per hit).

My big score had a wave of 4 on stage 2 and a voracious god on stage 3, then on stage 5 I had the perfect big ol setup from the game and got huge sparks and weak element bonuses on every round. I doubt I'm going to hit even above 600k in FH - End again, lots if it is luck.

shady anachronism
Oct 14, 2006

Where's my goddamned milk?!

Walamor posted:

Just recently started and holy crap there is a lot to figure out/do, but it seems pretty hard to screw yourself over, or at least I hope it is. It's a pretty nice looking game and runs well on a 2 year old android, so I'm pleased with it so far. Is there any reason not to do autobattle every time? The fights seem easy and faster with it on, though I guess sometimes they use their ults at the end of fights when I wouldn't want them to. Also, I've assumed that named dudes shouldn't be used as Fuse material, just monsters, is that correct?

Added my friend id to the spreadsheet!

Welcome! I just started too. The difficulty of the bosses ramps up in subsequent quests, so you'll want to start choosing when to use your BBs, when to guard, use potions, etc... Auto battle is fine for farming missions like metal parade, but you'll get to a point soon where it won't work for your average quest boss fight.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

sugar free jazz posted:

My big score had a wave of 4 on stage 2 and a voracious god on stage 3, then on stage 5 I had the perfect big ol setup from the game and got huge sparks and weak element bonuses on every round. I doubt I'm going to hit even above 600k in FH - End again, lots if it is luck.

I'm running middle, not end though. It's good to know about the god in wave 4 of End. The first time I tried it I got a miracle totem. I managed to beat it too (and then died in 1 round at stage 5). How hard is the FH miracle totem compared to the weekly dungeon one, same stats?

E: About 20 or so resets so far, still no MCP to use. I've had every other favorite-flagged friend show up half a dozen times or more. This randomness is terrible. Just list all our friends all the time and have us get 0 honor (like we do now) for it, or even pay a little honor to spam-use someone. I'd burn Honor if it meant not doing these resets.

Evil Fluffy fucked around with this message at 04:54 on May 18, 2014

sugar free jazz
Mar 5, 2008

Evil Fluffy posted:

I'm running middle, not end though. It's good to know about the god in wave 4 of End. The first time I tried it I got a miracle totem. I managed to beat it too (and then died in 1 round at stage 5). How hard is the FH miracle totem compared to the weekly dungeon one, same stats?

Yeah I know you're on middle, same thing applies though. It's all about getting a big lucky break or three and mashing points out of it, or having a super baller squad. Like when I see Mifune I'm like ah poo poo there goes this run, as he double crits my 1950 def Vargas from full health to dead in one turn. All about luck, at least for me anyways.

Setset
Apr 14, 2012
Grimey Drawer
Welp thanks FH for the Sacred Jewel and Medulla Gem. Two days ago I had 2 gems but today I'm up to 14 even after dropping several on MPs. I don't have the dedication to get higher than the HR2 rank from FH so I think I'll take the earnings and leave. Add me if any goons want a Felneus friend, I think he's taken over Magress for both arena and pve.

Michaellaneous
Oct 30, 2013

If I have gems...what is generally the best way to spend them?

Lorelicious
Feb 11, 2010


Dreams DO come true! :allears:



E:If you are just starting out, the best way to use gems is to rare summon. If you want a specific unit, wait until they have an increased pull rate. For example, if you wanted an Eltri, last week there as an event for him.

They have events for units when they first come out, specific elemental dungeons, and when a unit is about to receive their 6* evolution.

Another strat people use is to keep one or two around for when they need to continue a really hard fight.

Only until you get into higher levels or when you get a lot of 'rare' units should you increase your unit cap for holding evo units.

Lorelicious fucked around with this message at 06:19 on May 18, 2014

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Lorelicious posted:



Dreams DO come true! :allears:

They really do.


:toot::toot::toot:

Decided to run middle since Nink's Felneus was up, and waves 1-3 were about the same as usual. I think wave 3 only had 4 enemies which was unexpected but whatever waves 1-2 were ok so I might be able to pull something off with wave 4. Hoping against hope for the 2 gold/metal gods for wave 4.

5 spirits, who immediately die to 6 AOEs and top everyone off for the BBs and SBBs, netting me something like 90k points in the process. :getin:


When wave 5 ended and I had already set a new record before completion bonuses it felt good, real good. Now I'm throwing myself at End repeatedly. Dying usually on waves 3-4 but still getting 50k or more contribution per try. Sooner or later the RNG will fall in my favor (last run had Gun God Douglass and 3 friends who wrecked my poo poo and let me limp into Vargas's fight) and I'll make it to the final wave as I managed to do my very first run. With any luck I'll get a lot of 5 enemy/metal god waves thrown at me and somehow pull off a 650k point run for the Medulla Gem as well. Anyone who wants to use Felneus should add MCP/Nink/Zelfina if you haven't.

e:Oxattack could you put up your Lance? All my green friends are on other stuff and I need a buff green buddy so I can get grenade girl #2 (who will be oracle when I really want anima).

e2: Thanks, got a drop too, but it's guardian, which seems second to oracle in terms of :geno: so the quest for anima (or breaker) continues.

Evil Fluffy fucked around with this message at 16:58 on May 18, 2014

Maka
Mar 18, 2001

I must be having bad luck with the mobs I'm getting in The End stages because I have a maxed team with Felneus friends and I barely get past Stage 4 and then wiped out on stage 5. I've done about 5 runs so far :( I just want a Medulla!

Setset
Apr 14, 2012
Grimey Drawer
To those having trouble with FH, are you using ATK and DEF potions? They can add a good bit of overkill points and help you stay alive

mcpringles
Jan 26, 2004

Walamor posted:

Just recently started and holy crap there is a lot to figure out/do, but it seems pretty hard to screw yourself over, or at least I hope it is. It's a pretty nice looking game and runs well on a 2 year old android, so I'm pleased with it so far. Is there any reason not to do autobattle every time? The fights seem easy and faster with it on, though I guess sometimes they use their ults at the end of fights when I wouldn't want them to. Also, I've assumed that named dudes shouldn't be used as Fuse material, just monsters, is that correct?

Added my friend id to the spreadsheet!

I wouldn't auto too much on quests or special vortex dungeons. If you do at least turn it off 1-2 rounds do before the final stage so you will have BBs for the boss.

Ninkobei posted:

To those having trouble with FH, are you using ATK and DEF potions? They can add a good bit of overkill points and help you stay alive

Yeah this really helps a lot. I pop both starting on stage 2. I also swapped out my Elimo for my 6* Atro. His SBB stacks with the potions. Usually I can survive without a healer but some fights can be too much.

Majinfefnir13
Oct 11, 2009

sugar free jazz posted:




Thanks Mr. Majinfenrir for the rad Felneus assist. Lost my Tiara on stage 4, killed Falma and Grafl, stage 5 opens and...it's 6 star Lance, Selina, Vargas and Eze! gently caress yeah, with Kikuri, Vargas SBB, Il and Mina, and Felneus SBB, my tree could heal every turn while the other 4 poo poo damage and sparks. Felneus really does own super hard.

Glad my Felneus can help, still farming FH to get enough points for HR +4 to get Lugina for my rainbow team.

Edit: Also I really hate the Falma and Grafl room mostly because half my team(Elimo Felneus and Serin) are water.

Majinfefnir13 fucked around with this message at 18:44 on May 18, 2014

Dropbear
Jul 26, 2007
Bombs away!
Is the game separated between US and the EU? I'm a dirty euroscum, and adding people from the spreadsheet gives me a "User not found"-error - am I doing something wrong, or should there be a separate list for EU people?

ViolentQuiche
Jul 17, 2010
The only split is between Japan and Global, though are you on iOS? There were some issues that got introduced in the latest patch and I believe friend requests are still borked for iOS

HJE-Cobra
Jul 15, 2007

Bear Witness

Hell Gem
Whee, I got a Maiden Fennia, of Guardian type. Is this the last maiden, or is there a light maiden coming too? I've got all of them so far.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Ninkobei posted:

To those having trouble with FH, are you using ATK and DEF potions? They can add a good bit of overkill points and help you stay alive

I was using the Marauder set because I forgot the atk/def/fujin one existed. Managed to get to wave 5/5 on End using the atk/def pots though. Horrible death but 60k contribution points at least. Is anyone here in the top 10k, around the 9-10k position? Im curious as to how many points it is now so I know how far I have to go to catch up. If I can pull off +3 then I can get Seria from the event,

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General Morden
Mar 3, 2013

GOTTA HAVE THAT PAX BISONICA
Are Great Tree Alneu and Loch Ness any good?

I got them from Rare Summons.

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