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oh whoops anyway I just don't see opop's play suggestion working out if he's scum; it only seems to make sense if there's two scum remaining (three to start) AND if the jailer was also scum which seems like too much firepower on the scum side. Opopanax posted:I vote we no kill today and I jail foo again tonight. If he's not the scum then they kill me or someone else and he goes into LYLO cleared. If there's no kill tonight we kill him tomorrow and even if scum withhold tonight to frame him we should have enough leeway to do that. that being said it no longer makes sense to do this in light of TT's claim
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##vote bleh
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I'd prefer to no lynch still but bleh's logic works against him once you flip the assumption he's town to the assumption I am
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That said I wouldn't put it past any of you three to run a risky gambit hence why I'd rather no lynch
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But that might not beat any fruit either uughgh
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Tremendous Taste posted:I'd prefer to no lynch still but bleh's logic works against him once you flip the assumption he's town to the assumption I am Elaborate
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King of Bleh posted:Elaborate I mean I could have written that exact same bit as you except with a vote bleh at the end of it
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Jun 10, 2014 01:59
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Tremendous Taste posted:I mean I could have written that exact same bit as you except with a vote bleh at the end of it If you're saying that I'm basically just doing a lazy process of elimination, and by the same process you'd be lead to vote me, then, yeah. Happens.
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King of Bleh posted:If you're saying that I'm basically just doing a lazy process of elimination, and by the same process you'd be lead to vote me, then, yeah. Happens. Nah, I didn't mean it that way. You work out those three for legit mechanics reasons and am left with only me. I didn't mean to imply it was lazy.
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I just re-read page 9, still sure that ix/bleh is the scum
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Is Ix the type to sub out when he's the last scum? Possibly
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are we deadlocked here or what
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Ugh. ##vote no lynch
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I'll move with some sadness. Opop's calling me town for my setup spec sits oddly with me. I have use setup speculation to derail many-a-time when scum. It is more of a Grandicap tell than anything. I really think he is the scum. But not so much so that I would be stuck on him forever.
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You're just someone who occasionally gets crazy ideas and plays for himself more than his team, whichever team that is (which is not a bad thing). gently caress it ##vote bleh
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Jun 11, 2014 00:24
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Tremendous Taste posted:Ugh. the most TT of moves
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Jun 11, 2014 00:54
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Captain Foo posted:the most TT of moves I don't understand why it's a bad move here
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Tremendous Taste posted:I don't understand why it's a bad move here It doesn't help forward the game state. There are no investigative roles. How will we be any better off tomorrow than today?
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Jun 11, 2014 01:08
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Grandicap posted:It doesn't help forward the game state. There are no investigative roles. How will we be any better off tomorrow than today? force scum to take the risk rather than potentially winning the game for them
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Tremendous Taste posted:force scum to take the risk rather than potentially winning the game for them What risk?
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Jun 11, 2014 01:14
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Tremendous Taste posted:force scum to take the risk rather than potentially winning the game for them risk of what?
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Opopanax posted:What risk? if town takes the same actions as last night, scum is either 1) jailed 2) able to attempt a kill on jailed 3) attempt a kill elsewhere clearing jailed
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Jun 11, 2014 01:16
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What's the votecount? ECCO! 
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Grandicap posted:What's the votecount? bleh 2 (opop, foo) opop 1 (grandi) no kill 1 (TT) not voting: bleh
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but note the hammer! I don't know if this is an error or notEccoRaven posted:Jessica, you wanted spaghetti right? Good.
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5 alive, 4 to execute.
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Tremendous Taste posted:if town takes the same actions as last night, scum is either So my problem is as follows: a)People have to be able to target the same person 2 nights in a row b)If Opop jails Foo and is scum, there will be no kill again unless scum can kill and act on the same night 2b)which is unlikely because if that were the case then Opop could have killed and jailed last night 2c)This looks the same from the outside as both of these scenerios 2ci) Foo is the killer 2cii) Foo is the kill target Which puts us in the same place again today. Unless there is a kill and then Foo is cleared. But that would be a terrible scum move because it would be LYLO with a living cleared player.
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Tremendous Taste posted:if town takes the same actions as last night, scum is either if town takes the same actions as last night, assuming everyone who claimed a role so far is town and telling the truth, then we lose because you die
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Jun 11, 2014 01:23
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Captain Foo posted:if town takes the same actions as last night, assuming everyone who claimed a role so far is town and telling the truth, then we lose because you die If we no lynch today. that means 2 NKS would only take us to 3 players left. So we could survive. But it is at the cost of giving up a town kill.
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Grandicap posted:If we no lynch today. that means 2 NKS would only take us to 3 players left. So we could survive. But it is at the cost of giving up a town kill. oh right that earlier analysis was based on the threescum scenario which we do not seem to be in; it's also possible the 2nd could be blocked - regardless a no-kill today is a terrible idea
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Jun 11, 2014 01:28
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Tremendous Taste posted:I'm willing to die for town but I suppose I'll lynch bleh if I can 100% receive protection
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Jun 11, 2014 01:32
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I'll vote Bleh in the morning if no good talk happens between now and then.
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Jun 11, 2014 01:36
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I'd like to know if the hammer is 3 or 4, i.e. is bleh at -1 or not
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Tremendous Taste posted:but I suppose I'll lynch bleh if I can 100% receive protection making your night moves explicit is a huge plus for scum unless all of town can coordinate into a breaking situation, which we can't
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I'm a doctor not a mathematician. The count Foo posted is correct, Bleh is at -1 atm.
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thanks ecco!
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Tremendous Taste posted:if town takes the same actions as last night, scum is either So? that's not a risk, we just wind up in stalemate
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Opopanax posted:So? that's not a risk, we just wind up in stalemate that's why, as I said, scum would need to take a risk rather than have us take one on the lynch
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Tremendous Taste posted:that's why, as I said, scum would need to take a risk rather than have us take one on the lynch But that's not a risk.
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Opopanax posted:But that's not a risk. killing me and clearing a townie in a final 3 situation isn't a risk?
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