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Motronic
Nov 6, 2009


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Grimey Drawer

Very strange, I have no idea what advantage something like that could have. It's literally less flexible (ha!) than regular service cable.

But yeah, if that's what you saw it sounds like it would be analogous to a main lug panel.

More importantly, this system sounds about a million times better than Sense (what I have now) and I need to check it out.

Motronic fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Mar 22, 2021

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azurite
Jul 25, 2010

Strange, isn't it?!




Motronic posted:

Either way, unless you have previously been taught by someone who know what they are doing - in person - I wouldn't suggest anyone take the cover off of their panel. Regardless of the type you have there is a LOT of fault current in there. It's the only place in most people's homes where you could even possibly encounter straight-from-the-pole potential current.

Can confirm. I caused an small, exciting explosion in there the other week.

stevewm
May 10, 2005


I once saw the metal portion of a large screwdriver converted directly to a gas when it came into contact one of the service legs. It was quite the spectacle. Said person claimed to be an "electrician".

All they where left with was the now hollow plastic handle.

DaveSauce
Feb 15, 2004

Oh, how awkward.


hey guys

stay the gently caress away from live wires

tia

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down


Iím moving into a new (to me, built 1978) home in a few months and will NOT be disconnecting my Insteon switches in my current home. Iíll have a blank slate to work with. Whatís the favored product line to go with in 2021? I prefer switches that I replace and that they must operate as regular switches FIRST, and then be smart after that. No instructions on how to turn on the lights in my home. We are a very Apple family, so Homekit is preferred, but I also think itíd be good to not be locked completely into a Homekit world with no way out.

I have a server that can host VMs and dockers, so not above using anything that requires a controller housed there if thatís the path. Also a UniFi home once I run networking cables before I move in.

I see that Lutron recently released a new line, any feedback on those?

As far as my experience with Insteon, I didnít like that I had to jump through hoops to get it to work outside of the hub and itís app, but once I did the work it wasnít that bad and have even emulated a homekit environment with their switches.

Greatly appreciate any input!

KS
Jun 10, 2003


Outrageous Lumpwad

Leviton just refreshed their line too, they're not even in stores yet but orderable direct. I have a bunch on the way: 6 dimmers, 1 dimmer remote, 13 switches, 4 switch remotes.



https://decorasmartsupport.zendesk....st-Gen-Devices- dated March 19.

What held me back from them before is they had distinct SKUs for Homekit vs Amzn/Google and that's now fixed. Their strong point is they have wired remotes for 3-way control without lag, and they're <$40 each at decent quantities with toolless faceplates included. I found a LEVITON1 coupon code that knocked off another 10%.

I was going to post a trip report when I get them installed, but if you're in the market and want to dive in too, figured I'd mention it. They do require neutrals, and in a 1978 home I think you need to verify you have neutrals.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

Gimme Gimme Swedish Fish...



Fallen Rib

KS posted:

Leviton just refreshed their line too, they're not even in stores yet but orderable direct. I have a bunch on the way: 6 dimmers, 1 dimmer remote, 13 switches, 4 switch remotes.



https://decorasmartsupport.zendesk....st-Gen-Devices- dated March 19.

What held me back from them before is they had distinct SKUs for Homekit vs Amzn/Google and that's now fixed. Their strong point is they have wired remotes for 3-way control without lag, and they're <$40 each at decent quantities with toolless faceplates included. I found a LEVITON1 coupon code that knocked off another 10%.

I was going to post a trip report when I get them installed, but if you're in the market and want to dive in too, figured I'd mention it. They do require neutrals, and in a 1978 home I think you need to verify you have neutrals.

I await your report. I've held onto a bunch of old dumb switches with remotes for exactly this reason. ZP-600s, which are long obsolete and don't work with LEDs, so I have a single incan/halogen in every string. I wired my entire kitchen and dining room with them, and I love them to death, but it's time to upgrade.

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down


KS posted:

Leviton just refreshed their line too, they're not even in stores yet but orderable direct. I have a bunch on the way: 6 dimmers, 1 dimmer remote, 13 switches, 4 switch remotes.



https://decorasmartsupport.zendesk....st-Gen-Devices- dated March 19.

What held me back from them before is they had distinct SKUs for Homekit vs Amzn/Google and that's now fixed. Their strong point is they have wired remotes for 3-way control without lag, and they're <$40 each at decent quantities with toolless faceplates included. I found a LEVITON1 coupon code that knocked off another 10%.

I was going to post a trip report when I get them installed, but if you're in the market and want to dive in too, figured I'd mention it. They do require neutrals, and in a 1978 home I think you need to verify you have neutrals.

sharkytm posted:

I await your report. I've held onto a bunch of old dumb switches with remotes for exactly this reason. ZP-600s, which are long obsolete and don't work with LEDs, so I have a single incan/halogen in every string. I wired my entire kitchen and dining room with them, and I love them to death, but it's time to upgrade.


I completely forgot about how poorly some of my Insteon switches behave with LED lights. Also looking forward to hearing back on whether these perform better with them or not. Is there any way to identify up front if they will be?

Forgot about the whole neutral thing, which I won't be able to tell until I take occupancy, so this may be a purchase that waits a few months. Shame, I love telling my ladies in various tubes to turn things on and off for me.

movax
Aug 30, 2008



TraderStav posted:

Iím moving into a new (to me, built 1978) home in a few months and will NOT be disconnecting my Insteon switches in my current home. Iíll have a blank slate to work with. Whatís the favored product line to go with in 2021? I prefer switches that I replace and that they must operate as regular switches FIRST, and then be smart after that. No instructions on how to turn on the lights in my home. We are a very Apple family, so Homekit is preferred, but I also think itíd be good to not be locked completely into a Homekit world with no way out.

I have a server that can host VMs and dockers, so not above using anything that requires a controller housed there if thatís the path. Also a UniFi home once I run networking cables before I move in.

I see that Lutron recently released a new line, any feedback on those?

As far as my experience with Insteon, I didnít like that I had to jump through hoops to get it to work outside of the hub and itís app, but once I did the work it wasnít that bad and have even emulated a homekit environment with their switches.

Greatly appreciate any input!

Lutron Caseta -- need the hub, but absolutely will be regular switches if the WiFi goes away. I don't remember if the Pico remotes, when configured, are usable if the hub goes offline, but it's a solid, solid system. Hub doesn't need WAN to function.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Iím on a Tradfri system with Homekit now, how do other ones like Hue compare? Main pain points for tradfri is the setup can be a little annoying (especially having to hold the buttons up next to the light or hub) and the coin batteries in the remote switches go dead pretty fast. Also the RGB bulbs are never available locally at ikea for some reason.

On the plus side the tradfri stuff is pretty cheap.

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!


I got gifted a couple of smart wall outlets, and I decided to repurpose an old Raspberry Pi 3 and installed Home Assistant on it this afternoon. A few minutes later, I was cackling with glee as I flashed the floor lamp in the next room.

I'd like to add more to the setup, maybe some smart bulbs, but I'm having a hard time understanding which ones I can use without having a hub. It looks like Hue no longer requires a hub, but some Google searching says that Home Assistant still can't access them without a hub?

What do goons suggest for smart bulbs these days? They need to be wifi capable and accessible from whatever standards Home Assistant uses (most of them?). Dimming capability is a plus.

This stuff is fun but confusing!

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009


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Grimey Drawer

Why not use zwave switches/dimmers and a zwave USB stick?

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!


Motronic posted:

Why not use zwave switches/dimmers and a zwave USB stick?

I don't know enough about this stuff to answer your question.

I already have the Home Assistant stuff set up on my Pi, and it seems easy enough to use, so I figured the easiest route to expansion (since most of the remaining lights in my house are hardwired) would be to just grab a ton of smart bulbs.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009


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Grimey Drawer

WhiteHowler posted:

I don't know enough about this stuff to answer your question.

I already have the Home Assistant stuff set up on my Pi, and it seems easy enough to use, so I figured the easiest route to expansion (since most of the remaining lights in my house are hardwired) would be to just grab a ton of smart bulbs.

Smart bulbs kinda suck in my opinion. I like switches that work like switches if the automation isn't working/outside of the automation.

I'm using a bunch of zwave Honeywell switches with a zwave USB stick and Home Assistant and I like it. I'm sure you'll get other opinions here that may fit what you're trying to accomplish better, but it's a good idea to have some sort of end goal/list of wants. Because there are a LOT of options and they don't all provide the same things.

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!


How do those work?

Like, for example, I have a ceiling light fixture in my office that I want to turn on when it starts getting dark (or better yet, it gradually gets brighter as the sun sets).

I figured I'd just replace the bulbs with smart bulbs, but you have a point - I'd still want to be able to turn them on and off from a wall switch. Short of tinkering with hardwired lights and wall switches and likely electrocuting myself, what's the best solution for something like that?

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

sparkle and shine



WhiteHowler posted:

How do those work?

They replace the in-wall switch/dimmer and operate locally, plus they can receive remote commands via Z-Wave. They can also be observed via Z-Wave so they can trigger related scenes, or on some switches add custom commands like ďturn off all the lights on this floorĒ for double-tap off.

If you have a non-contact voltage tester and access to the breaker panel, itís not hard to replace the switches safely. The hardest part is either fitting the larger switch in the box with all the wiring, or finding out that you donít have a neutral and getting an electrician to pull one (and install the switches while theyíre there because itís 3 minutes for them to do).

Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007




Switches are much better in the case you don't want wacky colored lights or in the case of dimmer switches. Personally, I had a hard time not putting wacky colored Hue BR30s in my kitchen for the hell of it. I'll fully admit that it is annoying trying to turn them on via my Homepod Mini or my phone and realizing someone flipped the switch off though.

On the other hand, I put wacky-colored Hues around my pool. I love having colored smart bulbs that I can change on the fly with different scenes. I have the transformer tapped off my pool panel 120, so there's no switch.

So I do see use-cases for both, and I definitely plan on getting some Lutron Caseta switches for certain switches inside the house, but especially for the dimmable lights that we have.











priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

One problem if you have an older house the switch boxes can be small so it becomes a bigger job to swap in a switch which are often a bit chonky.

Especially if the drywall is a hosed up older type that regular mud doesnít ever seem to want to patch smoothly!

I like smart bulbs because of the different light temperature settings and rgb options (especially great for kids rooms along with LED strips for accent lights)

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!


That pool lighting is beautiful.

Back to my original question, if I do decide to at least go partially with smart bulbs, is there a brand or model people like that don't require a proprietary hub?

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

WhiteHowler posted:

That pool lighting is beautiful.

Back to my original question, if I do decide to at least go partially with smart bulbs, is there a brand or model people like that don't require a proprietary hub?

I read good things about the Yeelights, they are wifi so donít require a hub. Work with Homekit too!

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

sparkle and shine



priznat posted:

I read good things about the Yeelights, they are wifi so donít require a hub. Work with Homekit too!

They recently had the local API disabled, so you have to use the cloud whatevers. Apparently Xiaomi thought it was insecure or something.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009


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Grimey Drawer

Subjunctive posted:

They recently had the local API disabled, so you have to use the cloud whatevers. Apparently Xiaomi thought it was insecure or something.

Annnnnnndd this is why I use zwave everything.

I don't feel any particular need to IaaB my house.

(Infrastructure as a Botnet)

Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007




WhiteHowler posted:

That pool lighting is beautiful.

Thanks! Iím pleased how it turned out. Weíre getting sod laid behind the pool shortly, so it wonít look like the wasteland it does currently during the day. I might throw a couple more bollard lights around the concrete/grass border and maybe light strips (instead of the bulbs) along the bottom of the fence or something. Long term plan though once I financially recover from buying the 4 Hue outdoor lights.

Just keep in mind that if you go ham with wifi-only lights, you A) rely on wifi not somehow being down when you want to turn lights on and off and B) have 100 more devices slamming your router.

And yes, once you start putting a couple in, itíll quickly turn into 100 when you realize how cool it is to have wacky sex lights in your bathroom. Because reasons.

rt4
Feb 19, 2008


Grimey Drawer

Motronic posted:

Annnnnnndd this is why I use zwave everything.

I don't feel any particular need to IaaB my house.

(Infrastructure as a Botnet)

Also don't need Google scraping valuable temperature and humidity data from my thermostats

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Subjunctive posted:

They recently had the local API disabled, so you have to use the cloud whatevers. Apparently Xiaomi thought it was insecure or something.

Ugh! Welp. Thanks for that info! They seem stupidly expensive in Canada right now so Iíve been holding off on getting one but wonít now.

Ziploc
Sep 19, 2006
MX-5

Motronic posted:

Why not use zwave switches/dimmers and a zwave USB stick?

This is my plan.

I keep all my home automation stuff OFF of wifi.

I plan on using Inovelli Zwave switches. They have useful configurable LEDs that I will be using to tell me lock status of the whole house from a glance.

CheddarGoblin
Jan 12, 2005
oh

The Inovelli red series switches are badass. And the LEDs are much easier to use now with zwaveJS in Home Assistant.

CancerCakes
Jan 10, 2006


I'm in the market for a robo vac/mop - did a quick search but no live threads seem to be on this topic - any recommendations?

Use case is for a vinyl tile kitchen, 2 children under 3 so food dropped on the floor and general kitchen grime. I would love to be able to set it to just run once every couple of nights and forget about it.

Budget is £300-400

I'm completely baffled by brands and options, it seems to be really difficult to compare even within a single brands line up.

Obviously Suez boat lol has hosed with supply, but I don't know what I want at the moment so by the time I have something chosen there might be a bit more in stock.

Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007




We have the Roomba i8 (Costco SKU) and love it. The self-emptying bin is an absolute game-changer. I have kids and donít bother with the schedules since thereís always poo poo all over the floor. I have to do a quick general pickup before I send it on its way, so I just trigger all my runs manually. With the i8 (itís really an i7, but came with extra stuff and a bigger battery I think), you can queue up a job and send it to specific rooms or areas instead of just blasting the whole floor every time.

Every couple weeks I clean out the rollers since we accumulate a ton of long girl hair that loves to get wrapped around all the parts. Other than that, itís generally been maintenance free since we started using it in December. Havenít even emptied the bag in the tower once yet either, shockingly. I think I paid $550 or $600 on a Black Friday deal. I think itís a bit above your budget, but worth at least considering for the self-emptying bin alone.

Looked at the M6 mopbot, but decided it would be annoying to refill it every time. They need one that taps into a fridge water line and a periscope to dump the dirty water into the sink

Ziploc
Sep 19, 2006
MX-5

Anyone get one of those RoboRock vacumns and then root it so it runs the maps locally?

https://github.com/Hypfer/Valetudo

Less Fat Luke
May 23, 2003

Just the tip!



Exciting Lemon

I have a Roborock and it's great, does multiple maps with no problem. I've never rooted it since it's on an isolated network and maybe uses a kilobyte of data per cleaning. Cool project though!

Mopping isn't too bad, you fill it once and let it go to town. It's not a full substitute for periodic actual mopping though sadly.

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!


CheddarGoblin posted:

The Inovelli red series switches are badass. And the LEDs are much easier to use now with zwaveJS in Home Assistant.

Those actually look perfect for me with the optional passthrough mode (so I don't have to commit to all smart/dumb bulbs).

Croatoan
Jun 24, 2005

I am inevitable.
ROBBLE GROBBLE


TraderStav posted:

Forgot about the whole neutral thing, which I won't be able to tell until I take occupancy, so this may be a purchase that waits a few months. Shame, I love telling my ladies in various tubes to turn things on and off for me.

My house is from 1984 and about half of the switches have a neutral. If they don't I've only been able to go with Lutron. They're great but expensive. If I have a neutral I like Kasa.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Fun Shoe

We have a Roborock S5 that is on its own VLAN since it kept phoning gigabytes of mapping info and our wifi credentials home to China. Very happy with it otherwise, does a great job. The only reason I'll get another one day is for self-empty.

Less Fat Luke
May 23, 2003

Just the tip!



Exciting Lemon

Imagine a Robovac that emptied into a central vacuum port

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Less Fat Luke posted:

Imagine a Robovac that emptied into a central vacuum port

ďHey that vacuum is fuckiní my house!!Ē

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005


Croatoan posted:

My house is from 1984 and about half of the switches have a neutral. If they don't I've only been able to go with Lutron. They're great but expensive. If I have a neutral I like Kasa.

GE makes a hub-less WiFi dimmer that doesn't require a neutral now. And Savant bought that division awhile back so they are part of a legit home automation company.

Celexi
Nov 25, 2006

tehehe



The Gunslinger posted:

We have a Roborock S5 that is on its own VLAN since it kept phoning gigabytes of mapping info and our wifi credentials home to China. Very happy with it otherwise, does a great job. The only reason I'll get another one day is for self-empty.

I stuck to roomba and replaced a neato with a roomba as even though you can easily replace the OS in a roborock it didn't seem worth the effort.

my standalone roomba is better at mopping than the integrated ones anyway

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!


Okay, possibly a dumb question, but if I get a Z-wave stick and connect it to Home Assistant, I should just be able to control any standard Z-wave device from HA regardless of manufacturer, right?

Like, I could pick up any Z-wave compatible smart switch or bulb and it'll work?

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Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

sparkle and shine



Yeah.

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