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Somfin posted:Well, W. Alan Burris' only internet footprint is that he was the Monroe County Libertarian Party vice-chair in 1984. Apart from that, his only noteworthy work seems to have been this single book. And I genuinely don't know how I found it. I think it was in my mom's library, but I was the one who turned her into a libertarian, not the other way around. I just found it one day and started reading it. One thing that stuck out to me was: He says that if you buy a product that turns out to be bad/fraudulent/whatever, you shouldn't be able to sue the people who made it, because they did nothing to you. You sue the person you bought it from, and they can sue the ones they bought it from, etc. Because you had no interaction with the people who made it, so how could they have wronged you? I still have it, but I haven't brought myself to look through it again. I could browse through and look for some choice passages for y'all.
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Early Hayek’s stuff i think is interesting in the context of when it was written in 1930, and at least argues why Stalinism is a bad system, but ignores that there could be any other system outside the spectrum between capitalism or a centralized soviet state. Also he’s not even really a libertarian, he’s a social Democrat that’s just very liberal, he believed that things like a UBI and the 40 hour workweek were essential to capitalism not being a hellscape. Lol
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I know that our big smart boy is too busy with his incredible social life and successful business to be posting here for a while, but just wanted to say: hey JRod, when you get back, we will be waiting with the points raised over the last couple of pages, regardless of whether you plan to ignore them with a "Consider *some other topic*" deflectionpost.
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https://twitter.com/mike10010100/status/1361814507727765504?s=21
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Sadly, I can tell you from personal experience that there is plenty of the bog-standard modern libertarianism in academia. Academia is an oppressive environment in its own way, but the ruthless "gently caress the proles" type of thinking is very common in business schools. There is very much a sentiment of "beat the system, don't change the system/be the oppressor, not the oppressed" in higher education. To quote someone in this thread whose name I cannot recall "If you grow up a sociopath and rich, you go to business school. If you're a poor sociopath, you go to prison".
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He's already resigned, according to the local TV news  quote:COLORADO CITY, Texas — Colorado City Mayor Tom Boyd has resigned. His full followup statement is at the link. He is very very sorry for implying that good honest hardworking folks who are suffering right now might be lumped in with lazy parasites who deserve to freeze to death Space Gopher fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Feb 17, 2021 |
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Feb 17, 2021 02:12
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My apologies always end with an exclamation point.
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:Early Hayek’s stuff i think is interesting in the context of when it was written in 1930, and at least argues why Stalinism is a bad system, but ignores that there could be any other system outside the spectrum between capitalism or a centralized soviet state. Karl Popper is the same way, really important guy who sometimes had the frame of "libertarian" but looks nothing like what we'd recognize today as associated with that word.
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I always thought Popper was somewhere around the line of being a very moderate leftist or a very lefty liberal.
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Okay well anyway I found this and I’m loving dying http://www.the-rathouse.com/RC_PopperPaper.html A libertarian argues that Popper would have supported Praxxxing it out, actually.
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Based on the little of him that I’ve read, he’s very much a liberal.
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I'm probably just exaggerating the case of "was friends with Hayek."
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I love the fact that instead of considering the argument that IQ is used basically to figure out who lives and who dies in every single historical context of it, he just like 'buh buh buh what about mental illness' Like, people suffering from a mental illness such as Downs syndrome aren't stupid. Its not a factor of intelligence, it's a factor of how they process information and the lens through which they view the world. This is why someone who is depressed isn't any dumber than someone who isn't, for being unable to visualize longer term benefits to things, as compared to the short term issues they deal with. Literally we're viewing the world through a haze of 'everything is poo poo' and thus everything looks like poo poo. Different does not mean dumber, different does not mean *worse*. And everyone deserves consideration for their own life. But can't have any nuance! Nope it's gotta be 'why do I have to let someone who I think is a dumdum have any agency?'
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Feb 20, 2021 02:26
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Libertarians are wild It's cool how you can instantly tell someone is a Libertarian no matter what they're talking about 
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Libertarians can't read, like, at all
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empiricism is so foreign to them that they have trouble understanding the concept of someone being caught in a lie.
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No his big brain just divined that when Cruz's wife was texting their neighbors to come on a weeklong family getaway, she meant a daughters' friends getaway. And when Ted Cruz changed his flight the instant the story broke that made him look bad it was only a coincidence because he had just found out how bad the storm was that exact moment and thought of nothing but flying to the rescue. Unlike you liberals, he reads and analyzes everything.
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VitalSigns posted:Libertarians are wild Libertarians are proto sealions
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Elephant Ambush posted:Libertarians are proto sealions They'll never actually argue anything because that would require reading, they'll just continually ask for charitable reassessments.
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Somfin posted:They'll never actually argue anything because that would require reading, they'll just continually ask for charitable reassessments. Oh they read things sometimes. They just only read a few sentences until they find a word they can argue semantics over without considering context or the overall point the text proves. My favorite is when they post a link to something they claim proves their point but they didn't read anything other than the headline or title and when you actually read the text it actually disproves the point they were trying to support.
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they have an inflated opinion of their own intelligence, don't believe in objective truth, and think that performing ridiculous logical and verbal gymnastics to slavishly defend the character of the rich and powerful shows off how smart they are to the hoi polloi
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Elephant Ambush posted:Oh they read things sometimes. They just only read a few sentences until they find a word they can argue semantics over without considering context or the overall point the text proves. This happens so often I think it is safe to just assume it.
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Libertarians on public transit:quote:That's a problem when a pandemic hits and strangers sharing a vehicle stops being viable, or when the unionized bus drivers strike because they can leverage the monopolistic position labor laws grant unionized workers to try to extract economic rent, or when like in my city, law-and-order breaks down after decades of progressively more left-wing governments which increasingly take a hands off approach to policing while insisting on not committing the mentally ill, leading to mentally ill drug addicts making people fearful of getting on public transit, or when people live in low-population density areas which don't allow for regular bus service between all points.
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lmbo @ "people need to stop being idealistic about the world works, and that's why we need MORE CARS"
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"the problem with untreated mentally ill and unsupported homeless people making people uncomfortable on public transit is the bus"
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quote:after decades of progressively more left-wing governments which increasingly take a hands off approach I just can'tYou just know for a fact that whoever wrote this has also at some point written something about how socialism and fascism are both hard left, the left want government to interfere in people's lives, and we should leave people alone and something something self reliance.
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Thread favorite Charles Murray just admitted that he burned crosses when he was younger. Is this the point where jrod can admit he's a racist instead of a "mixed bag"?
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Alhazred posted:Thread favorite Charles Murray just admitted that he burned crosses when he was younger. Is this the point where jrod can admit he's a racist instead of a "mixed bag"? "But unless he's burned any crosses recently, we can't say for sure if he's racist or not."
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The mixture in the bag is mostly composed of racism 
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KozmoNaut posted:Libertarians on public transit: now they care about rent seeking
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The worst thing is, I kind of want to reply, since he posted it in response to something I wrote. But refuting all of his nonsense just seems utterly pointless. Maybe it's best to just let his post stand by itself as a monument to how pant-on-head stupid he is.
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VideoTapir posted:now they care about rent seeking yea I noticed that too the fundamental theory of libertarianism is that rent-seeking is logically impossible, but those wily bus-drivers' unions somehow rewrote the laws of economics that God wrote into the very fabric of the universe
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KozmoNaut posted:Libertarians on public transit: Buses= Big Government Eugenics= Small Government. I think I get it now
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People aren't going to change much so we better evolve society. It's the one weird trick libertarians hate yet refuse to stop participating in.
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To whoever posted that takedown video of The Bell Curve: many thanks, it is fascinating stuff and does indeed completely
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Weatherman posted:To whoever posted that takedown video of The Bell Curve: many thanks, it is fascinating stuff and does indeed completely Shaun is extremely good value and his videos are easy to listen to, mostly because he allows his anger to come through in the points that he makes rather than the tone of his voice.
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polymathy posted:For wealth to persist over generations one either has to continue to do productive work It's absolutely true that for wealth to persist over generations, someone has to do productive work. But it doesn't necessarily have to be the person who holds the capital! In fact, it usually is not. That's what capitalism is.
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The situation in Texas shows what happens when the Free Market is at work. People's power bills are shooting up - people who didn't lose power are now paying thousands of dollars unexpectedly because power price went up as the generators failed. But what choice do people have? It's cold. Even if you try not to use power, things are still going to drain power. In the middle of a disaster, what could people do? The libertarian mindset at work.
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Well without the price cap of $5000/MW-hr, instead of a 10,000% increase we could have gotten a 1,000,000% increase or more which would have cratered demand especially if you got rid of those pesky regulations around not cutting off service in a disaster, allowed companies to require pre-pay etc. If power companies had drained everyone's checking account in the first 5 minutes then started disconnecting people the demand would have rebalanced itself to supply lickety-split just like the market intended
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Plus the EPA and AEC have all kinds of statist rules against having a power generating reactor in your own yard.
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