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Omi-Polari posted:but I have never been able to endorse the left-anarchist view that an AnCap is not a form of anarchism, as the standards left-anarchists apply to AnCaps can easily be turned right back around on them. The moment left-anarchism becomes coercive and hierarchical is when it encounters people who don't accept collectivism, which is inevitable in any case. No they can't. The sum of the anarchist critique of AC is that anarchism is BOTH opposition to illegitimate state coercion and capitalism. Anarchism grew from the communist labour movement of the 1880s, and using the label for anti-socialist viewpoints make little sense. Incidentally, this is also why "socialist anarchists" don't consider Stirner, Tolstoy, Godwin etc. anarchists. Also, there is not necessarily basis for claiming that anarchism is coercive when "encountering" people who do not share their views on collectivism. Sure, they would not cooperate with non-collectivists, but after that the only coercion would happen when the individualists attempted to convince them by force, and they retaliate.
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Omi-Polari posted:In the libertarian case, this paves the way for the rule of private tyranny and coercion by proxy -- hired guns paid for by a landowner, just to use a general example. In the left-wing anarchist case, this paves the way for rule by private conspiracies and assassins. No. Anarchism espouses rule of law and democratic legislation. Rules make by the people they affect would probably criminalize assassination. The same cannot be said for a hypothetical libertarian police states, where anyone with the money can do whatever they want by law.
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OwlBot 2000 posted:Depends upon what he means by "anarchism", but most anarchist societies operated like a ground-up, nonhierarchical directly democratic government. If one small group decided the rules didn't apply to them the rest would respond in an organized way very much as a state would using their equivalent of police or militia. Anarchists draw some kind of distinction between State and Government, retaining the latter in all but name, but I'll let Tias give his own opinion. I've really given up on defending the left-anarchist position here in DD because of the shrieking trot circlejerk that always ensue, but if you lot are serious, PM me. Otherwise, I can heartily recommend the anarchist FAQ: http://www.infoshop.org/AnAnarchistFAQ and the sublime 2-volume work Black Flame: The Revolutionary Class Politics of Anarchism and Syndicalism. More fleshed-out anarchist positions than you can shake a stick at, and probably better expresst than I am capable of.
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I don't really need to back up my assertion that authoritarian socialists on D&D throw an absolute piss-fit at the thought of libertarian socialism, when a trip to the archives can do that so much quicker. I'm real sorry I hurt your feelings, but I'd rather debate people who haven't decided to poo poo on said debate. Install Windows, you still haven't read the link I posted, have you? Anarchism is in no way opposed to control. Also, you don't seem to understand what a state is. Please 
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rudatron posted:Tias, you should make another another anarchism thread. Like sandcastles on the beach, my friend.
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Curvature of Earth posted:Good long post by a former libertarian about how libertarians have problems maintaining happy marriages. JFC that is horrifying stuff. I thought my circle was dysfunctional 
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E: nm, misread
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