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Pander posted:Someone get me deathproof so I can ignore the idiot brigade. Please don't do this, noble sponsors. Pander is unpleasant enough with the threat of death ever looming. Without that he will become the most wretched, unbearable thing that ever crawled the earth.
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Lumpen's case on pander is bad. There's nothing implausible about his trajectory of thought as outlined and teasing yuming is fun.  Crazyeyes posted:Please don't do this, noble sponsors. Pander is unpleasant enough with the threat of death ever looming. Without that he will become the most wretched, unbearable thing that ever crawled the earth. Has pander really become this much of a dick since we last played? This feels undeserved.
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May 27, 2014 22:15
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Finally home on a real computer. I've played two games with Lumpen previously and I still can't ever read him, because well he's Lumpen. I'm used to Merk and Pander being aggressive so I'll just sit back and see where my gut leans after everyone else basically checks in and progress starts being made.
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May 27, 2014 22:18
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John Cena posted:Finally home on a real computer. I've played two games with Lumpen previously and I still can't ever read him, because well he's Lumpen. I'm used to Merk and Pander being aggressive so I'll just sit back and see where my gut leans after everyone else basically checks in and progress starts being made. 
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May 27, 2014 22:24
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KhyrosFinalCut posted:Lumpen's case on pander is bad. There's nothing implausible about his trajectory of thought as outlined and teasing yuming is fun. Cool, so who do you think is scum from that whole exchange?
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May 27, 2014 22:26
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I haven't seen anything definitive. Lumpen's lumpen and is going to be attached to poo poo that no one else sees alignment regardless. Do you like lumpen's case that much? Rereading with a little more scrutiny, gut tells me that pander as scum would manage to play his reaction a little cooler, unless his new meta is, as crazyeyes implies, that level of hostile generally. I remember him as wordy and aggressive when he's got something, but something like "idiot brigade" seems like it'd come out more as unstifled reaction to a bad case than a managed scum reaction to someone getting close.
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May 27, 2014 22:55
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I don't think Lumpen's case is the next Duties of American Citizenship, but I do think it has merit. I also think Pander's response is perfectly in line with something he could get away with as scum when Lumpen is the case maker. Attack Lumpen's credibility because that's easy to do and usually accepted by other players - Lumpen's style lets that happen. If it were me making that case and Pander is scum, I'd agree with your assessment. Hand waving away something I'd write would be met with more scrutiny. Lumpen, though, makes it a little different of an analysis.
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May 27, 2014 23:01
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The long and short of my post is this: ##vote KFC You took the side of Pander in an exchange without advancing scum-hunting discussion. Why would you do that? What's the point in saying that you disagree with Lumpen's case without telling us, at some point in the analysis, who is scum because of it? Answer: To look Town.
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May 27, 2014 23:14
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Not that I am complaining, but I don't remember the last time you played such an aggressive early game as town Merk.
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May 27, 2014 23:19
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JakeP posted:Not that I am complaining, but I don't remember the last time you played such an aggressive early game as town Merk. A Confederacy of Dunces springs to mind.
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May 27, 2014 23:20
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This reminds me of the game you played in Wins latest CYOR
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May 27, 2014 23:20
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John Cena posted:A Confederacy of Dunces springs to mind. Was he town there?
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May 27, 2014 23:21
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JakeP posted:Was he town there? I think he was, even though I was scum, I made it a point to try to not learn who my partners were til late in the game.
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May 27, 2014 23:21
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If you're going to say I'm scum based on some lovely meta point, give Opo a PM. He's selling BINGO cards of the poo poo.
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May 27, 2014 23:22
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John Cena posted:A Confederacy of Dunces springs to mind. I don't think I even played in that game.
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May 27, 2014 23:23
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merk posted:If you're going to say I'm scum based on some lovely meta point, give Opo a PM. He's selling BINGO cards of the poo poo. lol Not saying you are scummy. Just doing my due diligence to the thread. Have a thought, share it, the golden rule
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May 27, 2014 23:23
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merk posted:I don't think I even played in that game. You didn't I just checked VF
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May 27, 2014 23:24
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John Cena posted:I think he was, even though I was scum, I made it a point to try to not learn who my partners were til late in the game. Actually I went back and looked, he wasn't even in that game. I must have mistaken him for Pander or something.
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May 27, 2014 23:24
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Cena I remember the game you were scum with Merk, and I remember as town I switched a lynch off of you onto another one of your scum buddies, and then lynched Merk the next day, and you made it to the end and scum won if I remember right
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May 27, 2014 23:25
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merk posted:I don't think I even played in that game. John Cena, we played together as scum in This Mafia Game Ends With You! We won.
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May 27, 2014 23:25
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JakeP posted:Cena I remember the game you were scum with Merk, and I remember as town I switched a lynch off of you onto another one of your scum buddies, and then lynched Merk the next day, and you made it to the end and scum won if I remember right CCKeane won in three-man lylo. I claimed Survivor while at a bachelor party as a last-ditch effort to stay alive, barely able to post since the bachelor party was in a remote forest.
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May 27, 2014 23:26
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I also day vigged Ernie who was Tracker/Lover with someone else, a two for one shot. What a game.
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May 27, 2014 23:30
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merk posted:I also day vigged Ernie who was Tracker/Lover with someone else, a two for one shot. What a game. that game was fabulous. so was dunces. i'd play mafia more if it didn't weigh on me so heavily.
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May 27, 2014 23:37
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John Cena posted:that game was fabulous. so was dunces. i'd play mafia more if it didn't weigh on me so heavily. Was that the one where we were in a masonry and you claimed survivor to me? Because you were masterful in that game.
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May 28, 2014 00:01
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merk posted:I don't think Lumpen's case is the next Duties of American Citizenship, but I do think it has merit. Wow merk, that's some great meta! It almost encapsulates the reality where I haven't enjoyed playing with Lumpen for the past year because he's gotten really weird and generally don't 'play' mafia so much as tries to be the Ted Rall of mafia. Lumpen posted:Note for mafia peasants
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May 28, 2014 00:12
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John Cena posted:Finally home on a real computer. I've played two games with Lumpen previously and I still can't ever read him, because well he's Lumpen. I'm used to Merk and Pander being aggressive so I'll just sit back and see where my gut leans after everyone else basically checks in and progress starts being made. "I'm here to play, and apparently my playing involves null reads on everyone talking." Pretty impressive start!
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May 28, 2014 00:13
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merk posted:The long and short of my post is this: ##vote KFC You're misrepresenting me pretty hard here. I specifically said "Lumpen's lumpen and is going to be attached to poo poo that no one else sees alignment regardless." -- a null tell. I expanded on why pander's responses struck me as town, furthering my take that Lumpen's case is bad. That's not siding with anyone, that's my read on the situation You asked who I thought was scum based on that interaction. My answer was "I haven't seen anything definitive." Casting that as a scummy interpretation of this interaction is ridiculous. Why is thinking one of them as scum the only town interpretation of events to you? I can see lumpen-pander as a town-town interaction as likely as anything else.
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May 28, 2014 00:14
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John Cena posted:A Confederacy of Dunces springs to mind. I swear to god I played in that game and I have no idea what happened in it. I'm guessing it went to poo poo.
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May 28, 2014 00:15
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Pander posted:Wow merk, that's some great meta! It almost encapsulates the reality where I haven't enjoyed playing with Lumpen for the past year because he's gotten really weird and generally don't 'play' mafia so much as tries to be the Ted Rall of mafia. Yuming, weigh in?  Corssing my fingers and hoping to gloat that I nailed the Scumteam right here before the game officially started. I have a good feeling about this one:Lumpen posted:Pander, KFC, Propaganda Machine
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May 28, 2014 00:45
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KhyrosFinalCut posted:You're misrepresenting me pretty hard here. I specifically said "Lumpen's lumpen and is going to be attached to poo poo that no one else sees alignment regardless." -- a null tell. I expanded on why pander's responses struck me as town, furthering my take that Lumpen's case is bad. That's not siding with anyone, that's my read on the situation Who you think is Town is irrelevant. Who do you think is scum?
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May 28, 2014 01:03
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Pander posted:Are you from rich district one and dropping in a subtle bit of smug PR to point to later? A good thought but that would basically be a scum claim, since the scum are all careers and careers are all from rich districts. Though this does give you a bit of a town edge to me because I figure you would have known that if you were scum. You could be playing us though so just a smidgen of much town-cred for you. Cena are you seriously planning on "sitting back"? At least post pictures of your latest shits or somethin....
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May 28, 2014 01:03
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Philip J. Fry posted:A good thought but that would basically be a scum claim, since the scum are all careers and careers are all from rich districts. I'm currently running a challenge in Awful Survivor, once it's done, I'll read everyone.
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May 28, 2014 01:09
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merk posted:Who you think is Town is irrelevant. Who do you think is scum? Commenting on active discussions is still useful but since you ask so nicely, Fry and JakeP have scum marks for their extremely easy targeting on you as a joke vote, Fry especially also been kind of sitting back and making pointless conversation, setup spec, easy comments. Your aggression towards me/misrepresenting my stance has me looking at you kinda funny, too. Will say that fact that you're agreeing with lumpen is making me waffle a little bit about pander, and I'll be vote him if he doesn't turn useful before the end of the day.
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May 28, 2014 01:20
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KhyrosFinalCut posted:Your aggression towards me/misrepresenting my stance has me looking at you kinda funny, too. Are you saying that you find Merk scummy, but Merk agreeing with Lumpen that Pander is scummy means that you are also leaning scum on Pander? How does that work?
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May 28, 2014 01:22
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KhyrosFinalCut posted:Commenting on active discussions is still useful but since you ask so nicely, "Everyone who's currently posting is scummy besides me. And Cena, for some fuckin reason"
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May 28, 2014 01:22
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JakeP posted:Are you saying that you find Merk scummy, but Merk agreeing with Lumpen that Pander is scummy means that you are also leaning scum on Pander? How does that work? To elaborate a little, if I am reading a person as scummy, and I see they agree with someone elses case that I do not agree with, I am not going to then reevaulate that case and think hey maybe its right then, I will think the scum is posturing to jump on a vote bandwagon
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May 28, 2014 01:23
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KFC you're not making much sense. You're folding under merk's pressure but I really don't understand why you're trying so hard to fight off his generally baseless accusations, when you could have just as easily said, "gently caress off you have nothing on me you oval office diver"
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May 28, 2014 01:25
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One other thing KFC. I have made many post since my joke vote on Merk, which is the only thing you are using in your scum read on me. You are lazily riding your early game comment, and show no signs of any actual thought progression, you are faking it. ##vote kfc
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May 28, 2014 01:29
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and the 8 alliance is over, Yuming can I be a 9 with you?
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JakeP posted:One other thing KFC. I have made many post since my joke vote on Merk, which is the only thing you are using in your scum read on me. You are lazily riding your early game comment, and show no signs of any actual thought progression, you are faking it. You've made posts. None of them have moved me especially. Fry is worse than you. Philip J. Fry posted:"Everyone who's currently posting is scummy besides me. And Cena, for some fuckin reason" Where are you getting this? At no point do I mention Cena. Philip J. Fry posted:KFC you're not making much sense. You're folding under merk's pressure but I really don't understand why you're trying so hard to fight off his generally baseless accusations, when you could have just as easily said, "gently caress off you have nothing on me you oval office diver" I already told him that, in nicer words when I told him that casting my stance as scummy was ridiculous. I think it's extremely coincidental that you develop this opinion right after I call you out. You want more specifics? Philip J. Fry posted:As long as well all agree that merk is way too smart too get tripped up as scum over making mafia small talk I'm totally cool with watchin y'all slap each other around. Philip J. Fry posted:Maybe a survivor with a 9-3 setup or two scum pairs but I think the standard 10-3 is by far the most likely. Philip J. Fry posted:A good thought but that would basically be a scum claim, since the scum are all careers and careers are all from rich districts. , followed by an extremely easy callout on Cena. ##vote PJF JakeP posted:Are you saying that you find Merk scummy, but Merk agreeing with Lumpen that Pander is scummy means that you are also leaning scum on Pander? How does that work? I'm considering both as possible. I agree that both being simultaneously true is probably unlikely, but I've come around a little on pander as a possibility.
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