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mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!
Anyone still think Phil Hughes was a terrible joke signing? Of course he leaves the yankees, gets 4 MPH back on his fastball and stops walking people.

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ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen


God drat he owns

leokitty
Apr 5, 2005

I live. I die. I live again.

mcmagic posted:

Anyone still think Phil Hughes was a terrible joke signing? Of course he leaves the yankees, gets 4 MPH back on his fastball and stops walking people.

His fastball is the same as it's always been and he's never really walked anyone. I mean I realize now he is literally not walking anyone but I don't see a reason to believe he's become Greg Maddux in that regard.

DannoMack
Aug 1, 2003

i love it when you call me big poppa
But it would be hilarious and cool if he did.

rickiep00h
Aug 16, 2010

BATDANCE


Personally waiting for him to turn into a pumpkin, m'self.

The only thing he can do to hope to secure some kind of future is grow a pornstache and wait for his shoulder to blow up. (Hughes is Carl Pavano, is what I'm saying here.)

Harlock
Jan 15, 2006

Tap "A" to drink!!!

MLB May 27th - June 2nd Recap




News
  • David Ortiz leads a one man crusade against the Rays
  • Miami trades a competitive balance pick to the Pirates for RP Bryan Morris
  • MLB Draft is this week
  • Kendrys Morales linked to Yankees/Orioles/Rangers, to possibly sign this weekend
  • George Springer and Edwin Encarnacion hit a lot of home runs in the month of May

Prospect Watch
  • 3B Garin Cecchini (BOS) made his ML debut on Sunday, was sent back down
  • OF Oscar Tavaras (STL) was called up over the weekend
  • 1B Jonathan Singleton (HOU) likely will be called up at Super Two deadline

Notable Injuries
code:
Ryan Hanigan   ( C) TBR - 15 day DL
Jarrod Salta.  ( C) MIA -  7 day DL
Matt Adams     (1B) STL - 15 day DL
Danny Valencia (3B) KCR - 15 day DL
Jim Adduci     (OF) TEX - 15 day DL
Mike Carp      (OF) BOS - 15 day DL
Juan Lagares   (OF) NYM - 15 day DL
AJ Pollock     (OF) ARI - 15 day DL
Wil Myers      (OF) TBR - 15 day DL
Clay Buchholz  (SP) BOS - 15 day DL
Bruce Chen     (SP) KCR - 15 day DL
Jeff Manship   (RP) PHI - 15 day DL
Stolmy Piment. (RP) PIT - 15 day DL
JJ Putz        (RP) ARI - 15 day DL
Matt Reynolds  (RP) ARI - 60 day DL (out for season)
Weekly leaders as of May 12, 2014

AL AVG
code:
Martinez  (DET) .335
Ramirez   (CHW) .327
Cano      (SEA) .327
Cabrera   (DET) .325
Rios      (TEX) .320
AL SLG
code:
Cruz      (BAL) .672
Encarn.   (TOR) .615
Abreu     (CHW) .595
Martinez  (DET) .595
Moss      (OAK) .568
AL OBP
code:
Bautista  (TOR) .442
Choo      (TEX) .414
Napoli    (BOS) .390
Martinez  (DET) .390
Bogaerts  (BOS) .389
AL OPS
code:
Cruz      (BAL) 1.055
Bautista  (TOR) 1.000
Martinez  (DET)  .985
Encarn.   (TOR)  .974
Moss      (OAK)  .934
AL HR
code:
Cruz      (BAL) 20
Encarn.   (TOR) 19
Donaldson (OAK) 15
Abreu     (CHW) 15
Pujols    (LAA) 14
AL RBI
code:
Cruz      (BAL) 52
Encarn.   (TOR) 50
Cabrera   (DET) 49
Donaldson (OAK) 48
Moss      (OAK) 46
AL WINS
code:
Buehrle   (TOR) 10
Porcello  (DET)  8
Tanaka    (NYY)  8
Hernandez (SEA)  7
Kazmir    (OAK)  6
AL ERA
code:
Tanaka    (NYY) 2.06
Darvish   (TEX) 2.08
Buehrle   (TOR) 2.10
Kazmir    (OAK) 2.36
Gray      (OAK) 2.45
AL SVs
code:
Holland   (KCR) 15
Rodney    (SEA) 14
Perkins   (MIN) 14
Nathan    (DET) 13
Robertson (NYY) 12
NL AVG
code:
Tulowit.  (COL) .350
Puig      (LAD) .347
Pagan     (SFG) .327
Adams     (STL) .325
Utley     (PHI) .320
NL SLG
code:
Tulowit.  (COL) .661
Puig      (LAD) .618
Stanton   (MIA) .612
J. Upton  (ATL) .575
Morse     (SFG) .574
NL OBP
code:
Tulowit.  (COL) .450
Puig      (LAD) .437
McCutchen (PIT) .427
S. Smith  (SDP) .414
Votto     (CIN) .410
NL OPS
code:
Tulowit.  (COL) 1.111
Puig      (LAD) 1.055
Stanton   (MIA) 1.020
S. Smith  (SDP)  .967
C. Gomez  (MIL)  .962
NL HR
code:
Stanton   (MIA) 16
Tulowit.  (COL) 14
J. Upton  (ATL) 13
Gonzalez  (LAD) 12
Reynolds  (MIL) 12
NL RBI
code:
Stanton   (MIA) 51
Puig      (LAD) 40
Howard    (PHI) 39
Morse     (SFG) 38
Blackmon  (COL) 38
NL WINS
code:
Wainwrig. (STL)  8
Greinke   (LAD)  8
Lohshe    (MIL)  7
Simon     (CIN)  7
Bumgarner (SFG)  7
NL ERA
code:
Cueto     (CIN) 1.68
Hudson    (SFG) 1.75
Teheran   (ATL) 1.83
Wainwrig. (STL) 2.32
Cashner   (SDP) 2.35
NL SVs
code:
Rodrig.   (MIL)  17
Romo      (SFG)  17
Street    (SDP)  17
Jansen    (LAD)  16
Rosenthal (STL)  16
Hopefully everyone is on the right team.

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

we're puttin' the band back together

poser posted:

I have said it a million times.. Sabean is the best GM in baseball.

Barry Zito agrees

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Singleton is going to be called up tomorrow apparently

MourningView
Sep 2, 2006


Is this Heaven?

FlamingLiberal posted:

Singleton is going to be called up tomorrow apparently

That's cool that he finally worked out all those things he needed to work out.

LeeMajors
Jan 20, 2005

I've gotta stop fantasizing about Lee Majors...
Ah, one more!


poser posted:

I have said it a million times.. Sabean is the best GM in baseball.

:psyduck:

He's only the second best in the bay area.













:swoon: BB is a wizard

leokitty
Apr 5, 2005

I live. I die. I live again.

MourningView posted:

That's cool that he finally worked out all those things he needed to work out.

Yes it's true he finally accepted a long-term deal from the team.

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

Abreu is coming back

More dingers for the dinger god

Groucho Marxist
Dec 9, 2005

Do you smell what The Mauk is cooking?
He was only ready to play tomorrow if he signed that contract. This shows maturity, so yes he is now ready.

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

Dozier turned a pretty cool 4-3 double play yesterday if you haven't seen it:

http://m.mlb.com/video/v33370293/must-c-clips-brian-dozier-turns-amazing-double-play

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Fallen Rib
Are the Twins teaching Hughes any secondary pitches? I know that throwing 95% fastball is enough to stop the Yankees, but surely his luck will run out vs the rest of the majors without a useful offspeed pitch. His curve looked as lovely as ever and I read in ST that the twins ditched his slider.

I always thought Hughes should learn the split finger since it is basically the perfect pitch for him (change up esque, plays off fastball, allows him to keep attacking with his FB to setup the split, not wildly used so has some secrecy vs hitters).

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006

Jerkface posted:

Are the Twins teaching Hughes any secondary pitches? I know that throwing 95% fastball is enough to stop the Yankees, but surely his luck will run out vs the rest of the majors without a useful offspeed pitch. His curve looked as lovely as ever and I read in ST that the twins ditched his slider.

I always thought Hughes should learn the split finger since it is basically the perfect pitch for him (change up esque, plays off fastball, allows him to keep attacking with his FB to setup the split, not wildly used so has some secrecy vs hitters).
Yeah, he's just throwing the fastball, cutter and curve with Pitch f/x recording a change up less than 1% of the time. I guess you could call his success somewhat legit if it's because he's ditched a bad pitch for a much better pitch but we will have to see how the league adjusts to the new Hughes.

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

Jerkface posted:

Are the Twins teaching Hughes any secondary pitches? I know that throwing 95% fastball is enough to stop the Yankees, but surely his luck will run out vs the rest of the majors without a useful offspeed pitch. His curve looked as lovely as ever and I read in ST that the twins ditched his slider.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statsd.aspx?playerid=7450&position=P&type=6&gds=&gde=&season=2014

It apparently also works against Boston and Detroit :v:

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Fallen Rib

tadashi posted:

Yeah, he's just throwing the fastball, cutter and curve with Pitch f/x recording a change up less than 1% of the time. I guess you could call his success somewhat legit if it's because he's ditched a bad pitch for a much better pitch but we will have to see how the league adjusts to the new Hughes.

Hughes curve is really bad so thats pretty funny that he is throwing nothing but fastballs & that lovely curve still. I often wondered if there was a worse secondary pitch thrown as often as Hughes did his curve. It fools virtually no one, Hughes would be pumping swing & miss fastballs at hitters and then they'd cooly line his curve ball for a single or smash it for a double or some poo poo it was incredible how bad that pitch was considering how good his fastball is.

tadashi
Feb 20, 2006

Jerkface posted:

Hughes curve is really bad so thats pretty funny that he is throwing nothing but fastballs & that lovely curve still. I often wondered if there was a worse secondary pitch thrown as often as Hughes did his curve. It fools virtually no one, Hughes would be pumping swing & miss fastballs at hitters and then they'd cooly line his curve ball for a single or smash it for a double or some poo poo it was incredible how bad that pitch was considering how good his fastball is.

I can't imagine the track record for non-Bartolo starters who only throw 2 pitches (fastball, fastball variant and curve) is very good in the long run (Bartolo isn't the best comparison here...)? It would be clever of the Twins if they're working on his slider (or a splitter) away from game situations because I'd imagine hitters will make an adjustment to him soon enough. I guess Cingrani got away with an obscene amount of fastballs last season.

Groucho Marxist
Dec 9, 2005

Do you smell what The Mauk is cooking?
Randy Johnson was a two pitch pitcher but those pitches were both 80 grade so it didn't matter

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



leokitty posted:

Yes it's true he finally accepted a long-term deal from the team.
It's 5/$9.5 with three team options that could bring it to 8/$35.

rickiep00h
Aug 16, 2010

BATDANCE


Groucho Marxist posted:

Randy Johnson was a two pitch pitcher but those pitches were both 80 grade so it didn't matter

Just playing MVP 2005 made me terrified of Randy Johnson's slider. I can't imagine what actually trying to hit it was like.

RembrandtQEinstein
Jul 1, 2009

A GOD, A MESSIAH, AN ARCHANGEL, A KING, A PRINCE, AND AN ALL TERRAIN VEHICLE.
Here is a pointless stat comp brought to you by Aaron Gleeman today.

Joe Mauer through age 31: .321 AVG, .402 OBP, .463 SLG, .865 OPS
Derek Jeter through age 31: .314 AVG, .386 OBP, .461 SLG, .847 OPS

Counterpoint



Jerkface posted:

Are the Twins teaching Hughes any secondary pitches? I know that throwing 95% fastball is enough to stop the Yankees, but surely his luck will run out vs the rest of the majors without a useful offspeed pitch. His curve looked as lovely as ever and I read in ST that the twins ditched his slider.

I always thought Hughes should learn the split finger since it is basically the perfect pitch for him (change up esque, plays off fastball, allows him to keep attacking with his FB to setup the split, not wildly used so has some secrecy vs hitters).


I am shocked that Hughes is doing as well as he is this season. I keep telling myself it's only a matter of time until he regresses back into himself, but ~who knows~

RembrandtQEinstein fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Jun 2, 2014

RembrandtQEinstein
Jul 1, 2009

A GOD, A MESSIAH, AN ARCHANGEL, A KING, A PRINCE, AND AN ALL TERRAIN VEHICLE.
e:double post, whoops

soggybagel
Aug 6, 2006
The official account of NFL Tackle Phil Loadholt.

Let's talk Football.

I'm not a Dodgers fan but Puig really has all of LA loving him. He's a loving cool dude and everyone in this town who isn't a dumbass loves him. And I firmly believe the dodgers go after players that are good, not taking any sort of hard marketing angle, but their team is really a loving juggernaut of LA culture. They do a great job of marketing that seems like no brainer stuff but so many teams are bad at it. Market your korean star in K-town with Korean signs. The fan strength of the hispanic fan base in Los Angeles is absurdly strong and a guy like Puig is just loving perfect.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Appointment television

abelwingnut
Dec 23, 2002


Alito talking about baseball. I can't loving wait.

Der Meister
May 12, 2001

soggybagel posted:

I'm not a Dodgers fan but Puig really has all of LA loving him. He's a loving cool dude and everyone in this town who isn't a dumbass loves him. And I firmly believe the dodgers go after players that are good, not taking any sort of hard marketing angle, but their team is really a loving juggernaut of LA culture. They do a great job of marketing that seems like no brainer stuff but so many teams are bad at it. Market your korean star in K-town with Korean signs. The fan strength of the hispanic fan base in Los Angeles is absurdly strong and a guy like Puig is just loving perfect.

It helps when he shows up at little league fields and plays catch with 10 year olds with no handlers or PR people

soggybagel
Aug 6, 2006
The official account of NFL Tackle Phil Loadholt.

Let's talk Football.

Der Meister posted:

It helps when he shows up at little league fields and plays catch with 10 year olds with no handlers or PR people

Well yeah, this too. Puig is just a goofy man child guy the way someone like Shaq was/is. I just mean things like Dodgers fan fest stuff and the Viva los dodgers event and things like that. They fan outreach stuff they do is always good.

leokitty
Apr 5, 2005

I live. I die. I live again.

euphronius posted:

Appointment television



Sounds like a fine alternative to drinking draino.

shyduck
Oct 3, 2003


euphronius posted:

Appointment television


A good enough of an excuse to post this

Harlock
Jan 15, 2006

Tap "A" to drink!!!

FairGame
Jul 24, 2001

Der Kommander

euphronius posted:

Appointment television



I met Talmage Boston in a Barnes and Noble a few years ago. He was really mad that nobody knew who he was, since he was there signing his "Baseball for the Baby Boomer" book. Bought one just so I could give it as a low-effort gift. Dude was a complete dickhead.

Wife was nice, though.

ozymandius1024
Mar 15, 2006

You don't yank on the Spine of God

Well did they call it a strike or what?

Cart Mountain
Nov 1, 2004

No :|

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

FlamingLiberal posted:

It's 5/$9.5 with three team options that could bring it to 8/$35.

I'm going to be at the game where he debuts :toot: So excited

Man if he pans out that's worse than the Evan Longoria deal

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

That's not even his best instagram this week

http://instagram.com/p/osEhUfjYRh/

http://instagram.com/p/osDgPEjYQK/

Crion
Sep 30, 2004
baseball.

Intruder posted:

I'm going to be at the game where he debuts :toot: So excited

Man if he pans out that's worse than the Evan Longoria deal

What do you mean by "panning out" here, because he's going to have to do far more than be a serviceable/MLB average 1B for that deal to be better team value than Longoria's first buyout contract

The Pussy Boss
Nov 2, 2004

AL All-Star balloting update:

CATCHER
1. Matt Wieters, Orioles: 842,775
2. Brian McCann, Yankees: 605,941
3. Derek Norris, A's: 569,752
4. Kurt Suzuki, Twins: 337,704
5. A.J. Pierzynski, Red Sox: 300,347

FIRST BASE
1. Miguel Cabrera, Tigers: 962,138
2. Jose Abreu, White Sox: 602,628
3. Albert Pujols, Angels: 569,211
4. Chris Davis, Orioles: 422,600
5. Mark Teixeira, Yankees: 326,972

SECOND BASE
1. Robinson Cano, Mariners: 726,158
2. Ian Kinsler, Tigers: 649,926
3. Dustin Pedroia, Red Sox: 540,515
4. Brian Dozier, Twins: 360,089
5. Howie Kendrick, Angels: 247,353

THIRD BASE
1. Josh Donaldson, A's: 956,811
2. Evan Longoria, Rays: 589,621
3. Adrian Beltre, Rangers: 497,876
4. Manny Machado, Orioles: 461,023
5. Brett Lawrie, Blue Jays: 268,136

SHORTSTOP
1. Derek Jeter, Yankees: 1,007,968
2. Alexei Ramirez, White Sox: 867,156
3. J.J. Hardy, Orioles: 488,948
4. Jose Reyes, Blue Jays: 310,446
5. Jed Lowrie, A's: 277,430

DESIGNATED HITTER
1. Nelson Cruz, Orioles: 888,855
2. David Ortiz, Red Sox: 766,631
3. Victor Martinez, Tigers: 625,279
4. Edwin Encarnacion, Blue Jays: 388,459
5. Alfonso Soriano, Yankees: 336,112

OUTFIELD
1. Mike Trout, Angels: 1,361,649
2. Jose Bautista, Blue Jays: 1,351,896
3. Melky Cabrera, Blue Jays: 743,208
4. Jacoby Ellsbury, Yankees: 625,206
5. Carlos Beltran, Yankees: 565,554
6. Adam Jones, Orioles: 531,882
7. Torii Hunter, Tigers: 507,424
8. Yoenis Cespedes, A's: 502,236
9. Michael Brantley, Indians: 460,384
10. Nick Markakis, Orioles: 434,228
11. Shin-Soo Choo, Rangers: 422,047
12. Alex Rios, Rangers: 337,463
13. Brett Gardner, Yankees: 336,386
14. Josh Hamilton, Angels: 304,761
15. Coco Crisp, A's: 299,400

Not enough love for Encarnacion and Brandon Moss. And they are both on the ballot as DHs despite spending most of their time at first base this year, and in 2013 as well?

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Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

Crion posted:

What do you mean by "panning out" here, because he's going to have to do far more than be a serviceable/MLB average 1B for that deal to be better team value than Longoria's first buyout contract

This is true. Singleton hasn't played a single game at the major league level so yeah it's a bit early to make a statement like that

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