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Propaganda Machine posted:You mean the Aussie, right? He din't really ditch her. Piper hosed him over first. I personally just wish he would be gone because he doesn't belong on the show any more. Pipers life outside of prison seemed pretty irrelevant in season 2. Just write that poo poo out. It's not very good. I do like her brother and his wife though. However, they don't really have any place on the show anymore either. It's not really about a yuppie in prison anymore so I don't get why they need to pretend that it has anything to do with the premise at this point. veni veni veni fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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I don't even get why Piper was upset or surprised that Larry cheated on her. She did it first for heavens sake. And hadn't they literally broken up by the time Larry and Polly got together?
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Jul 7, 2014 11:37
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Getting together with your ex-fiance's best friend almost immediately after you break up is low as hell no matter what. It's just such a scumbag move. It's not as though Piper is perfect but it's mad selfish to hook up with your ex's best friend right after the breakup, especially when the relationship was as serious and long-term as Larry and Piper's was. Plus Polly was also his own best friend's wife and mother to his best friend's newborn child. It's like, Jesus, Larry!
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Jul 7, 2014 11:52
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Just finished season 2 and I liked the prison stuff but oh my god please drop Larry as a character. Get rid of him entirely. Just make him die in an explosion for season 3. The outside prison stuff wasn't that bad when it wasn't Larry, even if Piper's brother feels like they tried to cast Zach Galafianakis but he asked for too much Everything wrapping up the way it does in the very last bit was a bit dumb but this show can be a bit dumb and I don't really mind. I didn't like how they took Suzanne/Crazy Eyes, who they finally humanized at the end of S1, and turned her into hired thug who beats the poo poo out of people. I mean I guess there's a reason she's in prison after all, but she flipped way too quickly back to antagonist mode. I burst out laughing when Pornstache comes back in because they basically brought him in for what, an episode? To be a huge hilarious dick and then leave again. This sounds weird to say but I think they made him too likable compared to how reprehensible he's supposed to be.
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Android Blues posted:Getting together with your ex-fiance's best friend almost immediately after you break up is low as hell no matter what. It's just such a scumbag move. It's not as though Piper is perfect but it's mad selfish to hook up with your ex's best friend right after the breakup, especially when the relationship was as serious and long-term as Larry and Piper's was. I thought it was months after she cheated on him and they split up? I remember his dad giving a time frame in the gay sauna(?) but can't remember exactly how long it was. Anyway doubt he's going anywhere. Need someone for Piper to pine over while having sex with Alex next season only for it all to come crashing down when Larry finds out she's bee cheating again, and Alex to find out Piper put her back in prison.
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Just finished season 2 and I liked the prison stuff but oh my god please drop Larry as a character. Get rid of him entirely. Just make him die in an explosion for season 3. They only brought him back in to be the fall guy for the pregnancy and be a plot device to make tension/drama between certain parties
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Jul 7, 2014 13:57
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I'm surprised that with all this Larry hate, nobody seems to have mentioned this article http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...ry-9559587.html
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Jul 7, 2014 15:25
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In the end, the rules for not being a huge dickbag is to NEVER gently caress your ex's friends. Thats so low, no matter what - even years later, they are off limits.
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fatherboxx posted:Orange would benefit from some documentary footage/slideshow tacked on after the finale. "Think that the show is too unrealistic? Here is Sheriff Joe's Summer Camp I'd be cool with them doing the Band of Brothers thing of a little interview at the start of each episode, or post credits..
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Android Blues posted:Getting together with your ex-fiance's best friend almost immediately after you break up is low as hell no matter what. It's just such a scumbag move. It's not as though Piper is perfect but it's mad selfish to hook up with your ex's best friend right after the breakup, especially when the relationship was as serious and long-term as Larry and Piper's was. It's funny you're completely glossing over what Piper did. The time is kinda skewed but it wasn't IMMEDIATELY after. Also, at worst, he was also having sex and cheating with one of his oldest (older than Piper) friends after SHE had sex and cheated on him first. And it wasn't even 'payback'. Piper's best friend was Larry's friend first, I had thought.
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Drifter posted:It's funny you're completely glossing over what Piper did. Having sex with someone in prison because you are about to break mentally is not nearly as bad as sleeping with your fresh-ex's married best friend while said ex is still stuck in prison.
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Propaniac posted:Y'all wanna read something dumb? http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/06/why-it-is-a-bad-thing-that-orange-is-the-new-black-leaves-men-out/373682/ For context, that writer is like The Atlantic's MRA writer. Like a bizzarro version of their Ta-Nesi Coates, who's probably the best mainstream writer on race in America. Like seriously, after Virgin Killer Elliott Goulds spree he posted an article basically saying that he empathized with the guy and had the same resentmens against women. The Atlantic has an amazing stable of writers, but they always include like one obvious troll.
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socialsecurity posted:Having sex with someone in prison because you are about to break mentally is not nearly as bad as sleeping with your fresh-ex's married best friend while said ex is still stuck in prison. Oh, I think the new mom's and Larry's actions were horribly horrendous for being in a relationship. However, Piper's were also horrible actions from a relationship point of view. But Larry and her had broken up-ish already. It's like Rachel being mad at Ross. Drifter fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Jul 7, 2014 20:02
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Piper and Larry are both incredibly selfish people, their reactions make sense for their characters.
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Drifter posted:Piper's best friend was Larry's friend first, I had thought. I don't think this is right, Polly shows up in many of Piper's pre-Larry flashbacks, even as kids.
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Tupping Liberty posted:I don't think this is right, Polly shows up in many of Piper's pre-Larry flashbacks, even as kids. You're right of course, but I could have sworn Polly was saying to Larry something about them being friends before Piper or something. I guess I misunderstood. Also, I just finished season 2 and holy drat. Things got dirty at the end. Hooooboy.
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in another example of orange's sometimes terrible writing they have polly mention in one sentence (paraphrased) out of nowhere that 'we [her and larry] have been friends for longer than we've known piper so this is totally not as bad' its just kind of shoehorned in there to make it not seem so bad but its so fuckin contrived
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The more I examine this show, the more I think it is bound to go down Weeds style
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I don't take sides with Polly, Piper, Alex, Larry and that Aussie guy because they are all terrible and selfish people. I just don't care about all the drama between them, it's boring and stupid. Then again, I don't like any of the romance subplots in this show. Daya and Bennett are both idiots and every conversation with them in season 2 is the same thing. I didn't even get why Daya felt bad about sending an "innocent man" to jail. Pornstache isn't innocent, he's a rapist and deserved what he got. Just be glad he can't creep on you or molest the prisoners anymore and that your boyfriend won't get fired and thrown in prison. Polly and Larry are perfect for each other. They whine about everything, they still act like high schoolers and they think everything has to be about them. Just have them get married and write them out of the show. No one cares about them. Edit: Conversation, not conservation. Celery Face fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Suzanne actually answered this in season 1(?) (I binged watched the whole thing so my time line is a bit screwy). Apparently her parents apparently influence, whether it be lawyers or money, that's keeping Suzanne out of the mental ward of the prison.
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I wish they didn't give Daya and Bennett the pregnancy/romance storyline and gave it to Pornstache and some other inmate instead.
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Mutation posted:I wish they didn't give Daya and Bennett the pregnancy/romance storyline and gave it to Pornstache and some other inmate instead. We know so little about her personality, it's really hard to believe that Daya got two COs to fall in love with her. Although her lips are amazing.
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I can't wait to see the wacky background history for the old asian lady.
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Celery Face posted:Daya and Bennett are both idiots and every conservation with them in season 2 is the same thing. I didn't even get why Daya felt bad about sending an "innocent man" to jail. Pornstache isn't innocent, he's a rapist and deserved what he got. Just be glad he can't creep on you or molest the prisoners anymore and that your boyfriend won't get fired and thrown in jail This x1000. I was just shouting at the tv about how little sense she made, wanting to get her boyfriend sent to jail so she felt a) better b) like they were even on power. That was just terrible logic, at that point I wished somehow she lost the baby
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There's a theory that kinda makes sense because it's the only way the Daya/Bennett story is interesting - The same way they're trying to pin the pregnancy on pornstache, she's actually trying to pin the pregnancy on Bennett. She came in to the prison pregnant, and traps Bennett into thinking it's his because of the obvious benefits. Apparently in the first episode or so she tries to bring something up to the staff and they ignore her. Her asking him to go to jail and take responsibility as the father would make a lot more sense that way because she doesn't love him at all. Or maybe the storyline is just really dumb
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That scene where Daya was jerking him off was pretty funny, but the rest was incredibly boring. Just trying to point out that there can be funny stuff to be had with that plotline but the writers instead prefer to retread the same poo poo over and over.
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Thundercracker posted:For context, that writer is like The Atlantic's MRA writer. Like a bizzarro version of their Ta-Nesi Coates, who's probably the best mainstream writer on race in America. What is more hilarious that prior to that the dude had been writing extensively about feminism in comic books, did a book about early Wonder Woman and became a walking joke in the altcomix/litcomics crowd with his pointless, pseudo-academical circlejerk discussions that boiled down to "[the respectable creator] is an overrated hack". Spending his days slapfighting with Ted Rall on Atlantic is a fitting occupation for Berlatsky.
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On the topic of how Suzanne is still in Litchfield, people might be interested in this old but good Frontline called "The New Asylums." . Based on some of the people profiled in it, it's not completely unrealistic that she's only doing short stays in the psych division. quote:[Oakwood discharge meeting] Although based on New Asylums, she would probably have been escalated to max and had her sentence significantly extended. Helena Handbasket fucked around with this message at 11:33 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Babygravy posted:They only brought him back in to be the fall guy for the pregnancy and be a plot device to make tension/drama between certain parties
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I just finished both seasons this past week. I give it like a 10/10 in pure entertainment value, but a 6/10 in terms of legit quality writing. Character relationships and alignments swung pretty wildly within seasons for no apparent reasons. Vee's presence seemed to ignore a lot of character development for the black girls, which sucked because they had become some of my favorite characters by the end of season 1. I'll echo the anti Piper and friends sentiment. I was actually OK with Jason Bigg's Larry until midway through Season 1. Their first phonecall after her SHU release was almost unbelievably callous and self-centered, even despite what the counselor told him. It was just downhill from there. That plotline's climax (or whatever you want to consider it) of Larry and Polly asking for Piper's confession was awkward and almost enough to make me actually feel bad for Piper. Almost. Major props to the makeup crew of the show. On the whole, they do a great job with the flashbacks making actor's look much younger. The one miss was probably Claudette's scene where she meets her friend's fiance. It looked like he aged about 20 years as she aged about 40. I wasn't even certain if they were supposed to be the same characters as her childhood flashback for a second. In conclusion Jason Biggs has one of the most punchable faces in cinematic history.
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Besides Piper and Larry I think the most un-likable character in the show is Black Cindy. Hell, they made her a TSA agent so my guess is the writers intended her to be hate-able and annoying.
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In regard to Piper/Larry/Polly, in season one we saw how Piper met Larry; I think Larry was housesitting for Polly and Piper came over to Polly's house looking for her, or something like that.
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Vincent posted:Besides Piper and Larry I think the most un-likable character in the show is Black Cindy. Hell, they made her a TSA agent so my guess is the writers intended her to be hate-able and annoying. Yeah she's portrayed as a relatively lovely person, just not a terrible monster. Even Tucky's backstory episode is more sympathetic than hers. Irritating too.
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Vincent posted:Besides Piper and Larry I think the most un-likable character in the show is Black Cindy. Hell, they made her a TSA agent so my guess is the writers intended her to be hate-able and annoying. They didn't really do much to make her a redeemable character. She jumps on the best bandwagon when its good for her and is a jerk in general. Also, I've had stuff stolen by the TSA before, so I just instantly hated her when that popped up.
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I hate the character because she is a big old bully to smaller characters, but then Vee basically punks her out like a little bitch with just some angry eyes
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Steve2911 posted:Yeah she's portrayed as a relatively lovely person, just not a terrible monster. Even Tucky's backstory episode is more sympathetic than hers. Really? Didn't Tucky kill the doctor because they disrespected her? Like it's not an unrealistic or unbelievable behavior, I just hate that sort of attitude and attribute it to the worst kinds of people.
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Oxyclean posted:Really? Didn't Tucky kill the doctor because they disrespected her? Like it's not an unrealistic or unbelievable behavior, I just hate that sort of attitude and attribute it to the worst kinds of people. Yeah, Tucky's a right monster AND a bitch. Having almost been beaten to death seems to have helped her become a slightly more considerate person, however.
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Oxyclean posted:Really? Didn't Tucky kill the doctor because they disrespected her? Like it's not an unrealistic or unbelievable behavior, I just hate that sort of attitude and attribute it to the worst kinds of people. Oh for sure she's awful. As far as humans go, much worse. There's a tinge of her being so far gone that she should be pitied rather than hated though.
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