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Wow, Rosa was badass back in the day. The chemo room heist was a great scene, too. E: Yessss, Pornstache is back!
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Just started getting into this show, gonna see what it's all about. Halfway through season 1. Flashbacks are such a big part of the show that I feel like I'm watching Lost, but without the plane crash or magic island.
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ROSA  E: Also, I just found out Taylor Schilling (Piper) played the protagonist in the first of those really comically bad Atlas Shrugged movies (yes, these ones) and I cannot stop laughing. Instant Grat fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Jun 8, 2014 |
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Well, I binged and finished the season. Spoilers from throughout to follow. I sorta liked the season in general but it really didn't feel like it followed from the previous season well at all. The previous season was about relatively normal women dealing with this hosed up situation. They all had problems and some were a little crazier than others, but really it was overall about people in an unnatural environment. This season Vee was basically a cartoon villain. She was so awful that it bordered on comical. I have no idea why these women who I really liked were suddenly turned into mindless henchmen. Janae's whole backstory was how she tried to be gangster and it's just not her, and coming to terms with her anger. And Suzanne (Crazy Eyes), like the entire point of her story last season is that she's can get a little unhinged but that she's genuinely a good and well spoken person, she tries to do right. Her turning into a mindless thug and then a gibbering lunatic just obliterated all of that part of her. Also I know this can probably get explained away with "Vee is cunning and doesn't get caught doing the really bad poo poo" but this was a minimum security prison, so this whole gearing up for an all out race war felt so overblown. Last season other than the very, very end the most violence against inmates was Ms Claudette strangling a guard for like 10 seconds. Compare that to Red getting totally beaten down twice, someone getting shanked, and Poussey getting hit a bunch in the shower. It feels like resorting to violence totally takes away from the show they had in the first season. Red was right in the storm episode by saying "I'm trying to kill you so I can sell eyeliner!" in that the whole scenario was ridiculous. It definitely felt like a completely different show with the same characters. I still just don't give a poo poo about Piper at all. Her saying "Oh I don't have anybody here I'm so alone!" not 10 minutes after she's saying to Nicky how great it feels to stay at Lichfield with her friends. I'm just so over how self-absorbed and oblivious she is. And every time she's all "gently caress I'm so selfish, I'm an rear end in a top hat. Well, at least I've learned my lesson!" and then cut to 5 minutes later and she's right back to it. I still also don't really like Larry but I like Polly, so I guess their storyline was salvagable for me. It had some funny moments in it like the bag of flaming poop and the fake couple backstory for the old lady, and the "I'm not an alcoholic, I'm Australian." *chug* with Pete. Those I enjoyed. Daya and Bennett, holy cow that was bad. Like, nothing happened at all outside her saying "John, you're a pussy for not going to prison for me" which is stupid as poo poo. I can't believe that was the extent of their entire storyline and yet it filled up so much time. I like the other guards. I like Bell and O'Neill so much, they're really funny. I loved O'Neill's serenading the nuns with his banjolele in the finale. That was awesome. I'm really not sure why they brought Pornstache back just to get rid of him. I know it was for the pregnancy thing, but it felt like that could have been taken care of last season or in a short scene with Fig this season saying "gently caress, she's pregnant, okay let's not tell anybody" rather than have a big thing about him coming back to be in two scenes to get fired/arrested again. Cal owns. Luschek owns. Rosa especially owns. I really liked any scene with her in it and I loved her back story. The golden girls were also awesome with their "I hate when I'm underestimated" followed by a shanking. I liked Black Cindy's back story too. I felt they could have fleshed out the Sister's a little better though, since the three parts didn't connect as tightly as other back stories they've done. Overall I enjoyed it I suppose. It was a great looking show with a huge cast of great actors, but I felt the story was too stereotypical to do the show justice.
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Jun 8, 2014 04:02
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Watched the first half a season off and on over the course of a couple months, then binged on the remainder and all of season 2 between yesterday and today. I have no clue why I love this show. Almost everyone on it is a colossal shithead in some way and only a handful of them are actually decent human beings or something that at least resembles one. And yet I'm hooked. I think it's because the show makes no excuses in trying to justify their shitheadedness or show that it's okay when they do it, it just is what it is. They embrace it, and encourage you to embrace it. The lot of them might be terrible people, but they're a lot more interesting to watch than the same characters in the same setting would be on a show that tries to go "oh no, you see, it was okay because fartttsssss." Also, Rosa is loving hard-core, god drat.  Too bad about Figueroa, though. I wanted more of her as an inmate in her own prison.  e: upon re-reading what I wrote I guess it means I technically do have a clue Tumblr of scotch fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Jun 8, 2014 |
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Jun 8, 2014 05:45
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I think this was an overall better season than season 1, mostly because it focuses on the people around Piper rather than Piper herself. If Crazy Eyes was a real person I'd want to giver her a hug and tell her that dragons are cool. I loved the ending because while there are still plenty of hanging threads it wasn't so much a cliffhanger and more of a "gently caress yeah, where's season 3?!" I like this show and overall I loved this season, but it bugged me about the way they completely dropped Fischer's plot about listening in to the inmate's phone calls. She found out about Daya's pregnancy before anyone else and was more concered about finding a date to Caputo's gig than telling him about (as far as she knew) a potential rape? I liked the scene in the chapel between her and Nichols and get the point of writing out the "cute sweet guard" character but I wish they had done something more substantial with it.
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Jun 8, 2014 07:49
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Instant Grat posted:ROSA rosa is definitely the best character
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Jun 8, 2014 07:56
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i really like poussey and tasty (however you spell it idk). im really glad they got taken from like c-list to b-list this season. just make them the main characters please.
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Jun 8, 2014 07:58
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Quite frankly I would not mind if the whole Piper storyline and the associated characters all died horribly because they were the least interesting people in both seasons of this show. I want to know more about the latin girls, especially Maria because the recurring c-plot of her boyfriend being very non-communicative and then opening up and becoming a doting father is hilarious and great. Also I want to see an episode with Marisol because drat that girl is fine. Taylor Schilling is good in this role but I seriously think her entire story is dead weight on a show that has become a really strong ensemble about the system being hosed up, because all of her subplots inevitably end up circling back to being about her being selfish and naive.
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Jun 8, 2014 09:12
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Finished late last night and I loved the season but think Asiina has some real good points. Whereas season 1 felt like a universe we were just naturally dropping into, a lot of this one feels more like the work of fiction that it is. It was becoming clear so many of the flashbacks were too conveniently timed, causing us to change our view of the character right as they actually do something big. Season 1 had that a bit too but it's worse here. Vee was also, although enjoyable to watch, definitely at least a little over-the-top. I don't like how they made use of the whole 'comic relief characters split up and get all dark!!!!' cliche with Taystee and Poussey. I could see Vee being able to manipulate Suzanne but no real reason as to why Janae and Black Cindy would have joined up. Some of Piper's storylines were awesome but I wished they'd spent more time on the reporter thing and less on that Larry/Polly bullshit. The thing is that otherwise it was largely the same show I loved last year. Almost every other plotline was good, political in the right ways, and funny/well-written as ever. Each episode had a ton of great lines and individual scenes and the flashbacks, while still overly convenient in their timing, are a hell of a lot better than LOSTs ever were. They just decided to add what in concept is probably one of the most stock cliche prison plots ever on top of it. So I don't know if I like it more than season 1. Maybe a tiny bit less. But drat if that wasn't one of the best final scenes to a season ever. gently caress yeah, Rosa!
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Jun 8, 2014 09:18
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Slightly Toasted posted:I enjoy the intro song for this show but I am so so so happy that netflix skips it when you're watching consecutive episodes now It's sure not doing that for me. 
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Jun 8, 2014 09:59
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It does for me sometimes but not for this show on the PC for some drat reason. 
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Jun 8, 2014 10:05
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T3hRen3gade posted:I loved the ending because while there are still plenty of hanging threads it wasn't so much a cliffhanger and more of a "gently caress yeah, where's season 3?!" Yeah, I second this. Especially compared to the end of season 1 which was the cliffhangerest bullshit. Rosa is wonderful. And I like how (ep 13) Caputo only made it to his second day before becoming literally identical to Fig. I'm very disappointed Fig probably won't be returning as an inmate in S3
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Jun 8, 2014 12:00
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I like the parts of pipers story that involve Piper. She's evolving the more the show goes on. In the first season she was more of a passive character and now she's more active in dealing with her problems. The part I liked about Vee's story is how she gave the girls power they didn't have in the prison. It went along with how lovely the prison was. Also Daya was acting really stupid. I hope her and Bennett's story next season is better.
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Jun 8, 2014 12:45
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I miss Claudette, but Rosa was awesome enough to make up for it. Daya/Bennett storyline has gotten really dumb. Morello is hilarious. Lycus fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Jun 8, 2014 |
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Jun 8, 2014 12:57
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Refresh my memory: We finished episode 3 last night. What happened to Bennett's leg?
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Jun 8, 2014 14:20
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Retail Slave posted:Refresh my memory: Got infected in a dirty hot tub in Orlando.
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Jun 8, 2014 14:23
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Retail Slave posted:Refresh my memory: He was in Afghanistan. And then came back, and got in a hot tub in Orlando that gave him a nasty infection.
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Jun 8, 2014 14:24
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I think it really comes down to what Piper said to the girl in the wheelchair in the first season. That the horrible thing about prison isn't the other people, it isn't the conditions, it's about looking inside yourself and realizing who you really are. I think that's a fine overview of what the show was in season 1. But in season 2 the plot is entirely about other people being threats and the conditions being terrible with very little of the same self-reflection and small stories about personal behaviour.
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Jun 8, 2014 16:22
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Asiina posted:I think it really comes down to what Piper said to the girl in the wheelchair in the first season. That the horrible thing about prison isn't the other people, it isn't the conditions, it's about looking inside yourself and realizing who you really are. I think that's a fine overview of what the show was in season 1. But in season 2 the plot is entirely about other people being threats and the conditions being terrible with very little of the same self-reflection and small stories about personal behaviour. In S2 there was also a pretty big difference: A lot of the flashbacks had little to no justification as to why "aw this person just got put in the wrong place at the wrong time", except for Tasty. Pretty much all of the flashbacks had nothing to do with why that character was in prison, or completely justified them being in prison. Before, it felt like a lot of crimes were "justified". This time, they were people that just happened to be criminals. Which I felt was at least a tad more realistic since not every person in the system doesn't magically deserve to not be there. IMO that's a good contrast to last season. Vee was the ultimate version of that. She definitely deserved to be in prison. Though to be honest, I liked the new way the show turned out. Piper sucks, the prison characters are vastly more interesting, and the most massive plot arc had almost nothing to do with Piper. Piper's plot arc paid off and is ultimately going to affect Lichfield and all of the characters I actually like. So in the end, I think I like S2 because despite being a transparent work of fiction, it was very fun to watch and involved a lot of characters I genuinely enjoyed. I will take that over Piper's self reflection any day of the week. The whole spoiler block contains general spoilers for the whole season but doesn't really cover any specific plot points in detail.
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Jun 8, 2014 16:32
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Mymla posted:And I like how (ep 13) Caputo only made it to his second day before becoming literally identical to Fig. I'm very disappointed Fig probably won't be returning as an inmate in S3
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Jun 8, 2014 16:56
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Flagrant Abuse posted:Well, he's not embezzling (yet, probably), so he's still better. Just not by a lot. Rampant speculation: I'm guessing the shitstorm will result in some sort of insane set of orders from above so we can see how terrible the Warden actually is, and that Fig was making the best of a terrible situation despite the money embezzling. Despite being terrible, she seemed genuinely interesting in changing the system, but was insanely disconnected with the actual prisoners. My guess is in the end we'll realize that Fig was actually doing the right thing by trying to kick out the old Warden from a political position. That seems very like this show. I'm not saying Fig will ultimately be sympathetic, just that she's a little more two toned.
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Flagrant Abuse posted:Well, he's not embezzling (yet, probably), so he's still better. Just not by a lot. I really wonder if (ep 13) Alex is even gonna be mad at Piper at this point, or if she's just gonna be all "Well poo poo, guess we're sort of even now. Anyway, wanna gently caress in the chapel?"
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Jun 8, 2014 19:21
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My wife and I marathoned the first seven episodes yesterday. My impressions thus far: 1) I'm glad the writers realized at some point that Taystee and Suzanne are the two best characters and gave them both major arcs this season. 2) Big Boo is my favorite comic-relief character, and I hope they give her an arc other than the loving contest with Nichols in the future. 3) My favorite reveal so far: Morello - a character who always seemed so sweet and innocent in Season 1 - may actually be the most psychopathic character in the supporting cast. 4) I really hope that Daya's baby-daddy drama is going somewhere soon because it's starting to get ponderous. 5) Jason Biggs needs to go away. Overall, a worthy follow-up to Season 1 so far, and I'm genuinely excited to see the rest of the season.
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I really like the second season so far. I'm on episode 5 now. The first episode was a little odd at first, but after that everything just keeps getting better. They really picked the right characters to explore deeper so far. Edit: I really don't like the feeling of where the Vee plot is going right now though. wilderthanmild fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Jun 8, 2014 |
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Jun 8, 2014 20:04
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I'm on episode 8 so far and Taystee, Poussey and Rosa are awesome. Every scene with them is great. I still hate Piper and pretty much everyone she knows outside of prison but I think she and Larry are perfect for each other. They're both selfish, whiny and boring. Larry is more annoying though because he's a huge wiener, doesn't understand the concept of bisexuality and Jason Biggs has a very punchable face. I find it weird that I hate Larry more than a guy who rapes prisoners. That bit with Morello being a stalker was pretty satisfying. I always had the idea that she had something to do with her "fiance" leaving her. The side plot with Daya and Bennett has gotten boring and stupid. I hope something happens fast.
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Jun 8, 2014 20:31
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Finished the season. It was good, but not a revelation like the first season. It bugs the gently caress out of me when drivers on TV don't watch where the gently caress they're going, and I thought for sure when Rosa declined to put on her seatbelt that Morello was going to get her killed. I kept expecting a sudden collision from nowhere everytime they drove to and from chemo. Also, the corruption plot really fizzles out in a very unsatisfying way. The show really got my hopes up that Piper would go way out there to expose the scam Fig was running. All that poo poo she and the journalist talk about (stealing documents, smuggling in a camera, smuggling out the evidence) would have been a much, much better plot for Piper than her just obsessing over Alex the whole season.
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PostNouveau posted:Finished the season. It was good, but not a revelation like the first season. That would have stretched her character too much, I think. The way it played out is probably the best we could have expected. But what I want to know is why Caputo never looked through Fig's files himself.
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Jun 8, 2014 20:42
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PostNouveau posted:It bugs the gently caress out of me when drivers on TV don't watch where the gently caress they're going, and I thought for sure when Rosa declined to put on her seatbelt that Morello was going to get her killed. I kept expecting a sudden collision from nowhere everytime they drove to and from chemo. Seconding this; those drives were the most suspenseful parts of this season for me.
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Jun 8, 2014 20:43
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hailthefish posted:But what I want to know is why Caputo never looked through Fig's files himself. Lycus fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Jun 8, 2014 |
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Jun 8, 2014 20:52
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Lycus posted:I assume he's never built up the courage to go sneaking in her office, but the phone conversation with her at the party was the straw that broke the camel's back. But then he didn't have to because Piper did it for him. I think also he wouldn't know how to understand what he was looking at, which is why Piper says she'll explain it to him. The accountant barely understood the shady bookkeeping so I don't know if Caputo would have been able. Why then Piper has this ability I have no idea.
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Asiina posted:I think also he wouldn't know how to understand what he was looking at, which is why Piper says she'll explain it to him. The accountant barely understood the shady bookkeeping so I don't know if Caputo would have been able. I suspect the journalist guy explained it to her, at least enough that when she saw stacks of invoices to FitzCORE, who the reporter guy told her was crooked, paying for work that never happened, she was able to at least figure out those were the ones. Caputo might have had a harder time but he still knew Fig was stealing, and invoices for things that never happened would have been a big hint. hailthefish fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Jun 8, 2014 |
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Jun 8, 2014 21:13
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Asiina posted:I think also he wouldn't know how to understand what he was looking at, which is why Piper says she'll explain it to him. The accountant barely understood the shady bookkeeping so I don't know if Caputo would have been able. Yeah, the accountant was probably third-party and wouldn't be able to see that the work wasn't being done, whereas Caputo would see things listed on the invoice and know they were BS.
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Jun 8, 2014 21:25
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hailthefish posted:That would have stretched her character too much, I think. The way it played out is probably the best we could have expected. I suppose it could have been a bit much for that to happen this season, but they could have spent the season setting it up and gone for it next season. It was just so anti-climactic how Fig just hits a snag and falls apart. withak posted:Seconding this; those drives were the most suspenseful parts of this season for me. Who does this anyway? Who can't have a conversation while just staring right ahead?
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PostNouveau posted:Who does this anyway? Who can't have a conversation while just staring right ahead?
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I think the not-looking-forward-while-driving-and-talking thing is for the benefit of the viewing audience, but you never know when a show is just doing it to make the conversation easier to follow or when they're going play it straight and have a horrible collision out of the blue.
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MorgaineDax posted:The actress, Michelle Hurst, also got into a serious car crash and was in a coma for quite a while. I haven't heard anything since I read she was learning to walk again in rehab, but I would have liked her to come back. I actually met her a while back at a fundraiser she gave a speech at. She's cool.
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Flagrant Abuse posted:85% of drivers on television? Also driving straight requires jerking the wheel left and right constantly. Good season, Morello continues to be great, Piper and American Pie kid continue to suck the life out of the room, and I loved the end. Also loving lol at Pennsyltucky and the Gay Agenda. At this point it's starting to get contrived, keeping everyone together the way they are, but such is the way of prison shows I guess, as long as they don't pull a Beecher with Piper.
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