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Nov 19, 2011

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Deadpool is one of the posters that even if I didn't agree with his opinion, he wasn't insufferable about it.

Hopefully the next mod is as good as Deadpool.

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Nov 19, 2011

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smg77 posted:

Can the new mod be somebody who never watched Lost? That show has broken too many people to trust its fans to run the asylum.
There are plenty people who didn't get broken by Lost. Just check their post history on mythology-heavy shows and see what you get.

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Nov 19, 2011

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The Leftovers might actually be good. Something Cuse is doing (The Strain?) might actually be good too.

Also on the topic of people in the JJ Abrams satellite party, I don't immediately hate Kurtzman/Orci like most people.

I'm sure someone will accuse me of having suffered multiple strokes.

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Nov 19, 2011

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Deadpool posted:

I loved Lost, and it's finale. So if you do or don't like me, I'm sure that's solely the reason why. I think the only bad thing about Lost was that it caused people to overanalyze a lot of shows that followed to the point that for a long time it poisoned discussion about TV. People started to think everything was a mystery to be solved and saw things that weren't there. I think we're just now getting to the point where people are finally learning that's not the case. But that's not really Lost's fault so much as it's the fault of crazy fans.
I don't agree with you on some things but they are so small and insignificant. This though, I agree with you and anyone else who has actual common sense should as well.

It took me a few months after the fact to really sink it in the mysteries meant jack poo poo compared to what the characters did when they took it all in.

muscles like this? posted:

It also inadvertently started the trend of "Big Mystery" shows where crazy things happened that don't get explained right away. Then the show gets canceled and they don't get explained ever.
Maybe because they were poo poo and people realized they didn't want to be stringed along if the characters were just there to make the plot work, explain it to us when it was allowed, and nothing else. Lost was pretty much a character show from the beginning to the end, and while people working on TV these days realized this eventually (Flashforward and The Event being the big offenders that failed to realize it), some fans still don't to this day.

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Nov 19, 2011

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I actually had to google that one. Of the ones DP listed, except for The Nine and Persons Unknown, I had watched at least at some capacity or other. Must've been when I wasn't really paying attention to summer TV.

Hell I would like to say that even Revolution (RIP) was better than any of those "big mystery" shows. Or somehow they course corrected after the first 10 episodes which I thought were kinda poo poo.

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Nov 19, 2011

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Deadpool posted:

There was one about a group of kids that graduated high school together that I remember too. It kept going back and forth in time and they had a secret that threatened to tear them apart or something. It had a really simple and obvious name that I am blanking on for some reason.
I'm sure you could pitch this again today as long as the characters weren't insufferable like I'm guessing they were. Or were basically walking plot activation devices.

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Nov 19, 2011

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Deadpool posted:

The dumb show I was thinking of a few posts ago was called Reunion. Lasted a whole 13 episodes. But it made me think of a show that I had tried to block from my mind. One that may have been worse than Persons Unknown. Does anyone remember the Fox show Vanished? Holy poo poo was that terrible. So bad they killed off the main character like six or seven episodes in because it was so lovely.

Oh poo poo, I think I just barely remember Reunion now. It's all coming back. I can't believe I watched that. Oh right, I'm sure they took like 8 episodes or something to finally get to the point and then it ended. It was pretty dumb.

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Nov 19, 2011

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Deadpool posted:

You can relive it now if you want! It's all on Youtube. Why you ask? Because nobody cares about copyright for something that bad!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-GjhHRSxao
Oh wait, no, I misremembered, but there was another 4-all white male lead "big mystery" show around the same time during Lost that was equally crappy. I think it was supposed to be a thriller or something and completely took place all in the present. I think it was like one of the friends or something was convicted of murder or something huge (?) but for some reason everyone was hunting for the other three friends?

I think?

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Nov 19, 2011

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Right, Traveler!

It took a bit too long to get to the point, also the cliffhanger ending (now that I've reminded myself about it on Wikipedia).

That was 2007. drat that was a long time ago now.

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Nov 19, 2011

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raditts posted:

Yes, I understand that, but much like single-cam vs. multi-cam, those aspects are only ever brought up to paint the show in question in a negative light. It's a term that applies to so many different kinds of shows that it's pretty meaningless to even bring it up for any other reason.
TV Fans are the worst (when I'm not talking about gamers). Even nearly all heavily serialized dramas are typically "formulaic" if we want to be exact. If we want to be precise, all television is episodic, which means a story has to be told in every episode and naturally concludes by the end of it (even if you hit a cliffhanger/to be continued).

I mean, every drat story is basically inciting incident -> conflict/complication -> resolution. (i.e. 3-act structure)

It's just that "procedurals" mean that the weekly story rarely ties into the whole larger thing (or very rarely). It's a dumb term to throw around pejoratively these days but it is. Especially with the rise of DVD sets/Netflix/Cable TV means that viewers won't miss a thing and that the people crafting these stories can weave other elements together, and with the rise of cable channels being the "home of prestige dramas" somehow makes serial storytelling "better."

I mean if we look at Person of Interest as a recent example, the show is formulaic: number (case)-of the week comes up, heroes go to investigate what's up, trip up a few times along the way but make sense of it all, and they get the bad guy. But if you look at the latest season, nearly all the cases-of-the-week basically tie into the central mythology and main season arc of the show. Does this make POI procedural or serial then? This is probably one of the reasons why it's even hard to get "hardcore serial TV watching nerds" to watch POI; they'll ask why you recommend them "typical CBS procedural schlock" and then judge your moral character. But if you recommend them something on Showtime/HBO/AMC they will probably gobble that poo poo up really quick without asking.

I mean if we go to some of the heavy hitters as well:

LOST: who's the character of the week and what do they want to accomplish? -> they try to get it done, but people along the way try to tell them otherwise -> it gets done (or doesn't) and we see the aftermath.

The Americans: Philip and Elizabeth get told they have to do something this week -> they go about trying to figure out the best way to steal intel/kidnap someone/use their assets as the other side responds in kind -> it gets done (or doesn't) and either the FBI or KGB shake their fists in anger.

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Nov 19, 2011

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Oh, procedural is really just more predictable than anything else. Especially when compounded with "it's a cop/doctor/lawyer solving things every week" show.

I'm just more ticked off by people who assume "serial drama" means that "omg they break the conventions of storytelling" when in fact they really don't and despite being ":tviv: SERIAL BALLS TO THE WALL CLIFFHANGER OMG CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT JUST HAPPENED :tviv:" most serial shows' episodes are still essentially self-contained stories; they just involve other things (character development, mythology, etc.) that means they are slightly tougher to just pick up from that spot but aren't exactly dropping you into the middle of poo poo you don't entirely understand.

Except maybe occasionally Game of Thrones does that poo poo, and an episode becomes a literal series of vignettes (like last week's was for the most part). Which I guess people conflate into "all serial dramas are this".

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Nov 19, 2011

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great photoshop or greatest photoshop?

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Nov 19, 2011

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cool kids inc. posted:

Hey guys, I'm glad this thread is back. After doing the week to week thing for the first five episodes of Orphan Black this season, I've decided to wait until they're all released and binge at the end of the season. This weekly wait thing is killing me. Netflix (and all the streaming services) has completely ruined the way I watch TV.
The only way to feel better is to start watching more TV on a week-to-week basis :getin:

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Nov 19, 2011

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Yeah it sounds like a bad idea to stick it behind a paywall for not really being "premium" (I mean, it's a comic book quality).

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Nov 19, 2011

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Grats Annakie! Love live the new mod!

(We're all going to die in a blaze of glory aren't we?)

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Nov 19, 2011

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Bown posted:

Oh rad now R&M is the new show it's cool to not watch. What'll be next? Are we all going to start hating on B99 in September?
I will fight anyone who dares to.

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Nov 19, 2011

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zoux posted:

Also, multicam is objectively worse.
You're not Irish Joe!

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Nov 19, 2011

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Lugaloco posted:

In Boardwalk Empire final season news: What.

:psyduck:

They should have gotten more seasons :smith:
Don't think they'll start with the time jump but being their last season, it kinda sucks on the same level of what Rome probably had to do and condense the poo poo and time jump the gently caress out of everything in its last season.

That is actually a super huge time jump, which sounds depressing as gently caress. I mean going 5 seasons is good regardless, but I'm hoping they save that for the finale stretch or something.

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Nov 19, 2011

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Fringe was weird too. The time jump wasn't really out of nowhere IIRC, but they should've ended the preceding season with the invasion or what have you rather than "and that was that" if you ask me.

Mad Men also time jumps inbetween seasons but I guess that's mostly the virtue of not having to recast Sally and occasionally Glen (going back to the earlier seasons is really weird with them).

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Nov 19, 2011

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VDay posted:

Bitching about TV/movies/games is especially popular because it's a lot easier to just complain about how something is corrupting your innocent child's mind than to be a responsible adult and make sure they're not watching/playing poo poo they're technically/legally not allowed to.
I'm sure that Louis CK skit where he pretty much accused parents being against it because they didn't want to have to explain why some people are gay or what-have-you because it's more work, or something, is on the nose.

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Nov 19, 2011

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In the middle of catching up on Farscape, right at the start of season 3. drat, this poo poo gets dark at times. It's like it wasn't written in the early 2000s at all.

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Rarity posted:

Wow, I can't even muster up the interest to watch the season finale to Game of Thrones. It really must have been a bad season.
The season was good but the pacing was a little weird and the finale felt more like a traditional show finale rather than your typical GOT where episode 9 is more of the big shocking twist/reveal/mindfuck/<finale material goes here> and then the final episode is really a denouement. Don't know if that's the showrunners wanting a more traditional pace to the seasons now or trolling the audience or what-have-you. I've heard in general perhaps the book readers didn't like the finale as much as maybe just regular show watchers (like myself) did.


Irish Joe posted:

You know a show has gone off the rails when a minor character like The Hound gets more screen time than major characters like Jon Snow, Kelly C. and Tyrion. The episode literally spent 20 minutes of its runtime on some inane fanfiction-y showdown between Brienne and The Hound, but only 5 minutes depicting Tyrion's most pivotal, character-defining moment in the series.

edit: cutting Tyrion's escape also short-changed Jaime and his redemptive arc.
Having not read the books, but I suppose it's some weird balancing act Benioff/Weiss wanted to do. I heard they also pulled in stuff from the 5th/6th books or whatever (Don't really care on my end about the books). So I don't know if they felt like they spent already too much time in King's Landing or not and wanted to balance that off between what I now assume were "fan favourites". The whole episode devoted to Castle Black though, in that context, seems a little overindulgent when it could be that Tyrion's escape also happened in episode 9, giving that bit to breathe in episode 10 like it would have. I'm sure they'll devote plenty of time for it in the opener next season. Don't really want to know how the book executed it but I'm not running the show nor have read the books so for all I know that in the books it was mostly passive monologue/inner thought stuff not worth trying to show when the more important mechanical "X did Y" had to be shown.

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Nov 19, 2011

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Spatula City posted:

I just finished the first season of Farscape yesterday, and I did not expect it to be THAT good. This show is better than Star Trek in all the ways that matter, holy poo poo. Better than all of the Star Treks, except maybe the original series. The characters drive the plot, and they are such strong characters, at that, multifaceted and dynamic. And, jesus christ, how did they make puppets so expressive? Rygel and Pilot are incredible feats of design. The Nerve/The Hidden Memory two-parter is as thrilling as anything I've seen from a sci-fi show, easily comparable to the Chain of Command two-parter from TNG.
Also worth mentioning, Farscape is unusually strong in terms of female characters, with Aeryn and Zhaan both being complex, rounded inviduals with agency, and from what little we see of Chiana in the first season, she seems that way as well. Also RIP PK Tech Girl. :smith:
I had just started watching season 3 in earnest and it is so drat good, you are in for some good poo poo :allears:

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Mu Zeta posted:

Fat people suck at everything including eating competitions.
Yeah, skinny people actually loving steal it at eating competitions. But then again they probably don't digest most of what they shove into their mouths.

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Nov 19, 2011

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Holy crap, I'm making my way through Farscape and season 3 keeps getting better. I'm like 6 episodes into this season but holy gently caress I remember some of it when I caught it on TV but first of all the loving 2-parter where Zahn sacrifices herself, followed by the episode where they go back in time and can only unfuck their mistake long enough to not have a total shitshow (but it still ends on a super loving downer) and then John gets cloned and both clones survive while everyone else is having doubts about not being sure if they are the clone or the original.

It only gets better from here doesn't it? I remember bits and pieces but not sure on the timeline but eventually one of the Crichtons dies from radiation poisoning or something?

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Nov 19, 2011

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I'm sure y'all used that time the forums were down to catch up on TV.


I know I didn't.


JohnSherman posted:

Television is pretty great guys.

And speaking of great television, you should all be watching Suits.
I really should, since I live in Toronto so I would have fun laughing at how they use Toronto as New York.

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Nov 19, 2011

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Haven't watched The Last Ship yet, but umm, is Michael Bay gonna bankroll some of it? Because it's on TNT and if they're going to keep the level of bombastic ... explosions going off and all that I don't know if I would say a show on TNT ever has the budget to do that. At least I can't name one off the top of my head.

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So, getting some Lost/BSG/some other stuff vibes from The Last Ship. I mean it was a pilot so whatever. Covered quite a lot of ground in it, complete with last minute twist and even LOST-esque "thud" before cutting to black.

But again, I guess my main concern is if they have anything left in the effects budget or not. So I guess not to expect episode 2 to be BSG's "33" anytime soon and more Last Resort and something more confined to the ship for the most part.

But I love how unabashedly Michael-Bayesque military porn was on display in the first half, especially with the helicopter/gunship duke-out.

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DivisionPost posted:

Well, I just put up a thread, so you can all go ahead and poo poo that up with how mad LOST and Prometheus made you and how terrible this is going to turn out to be because The Rapture is stupid or whatever.
So I'm curious just exactly how many people watching will try to figure out how the Rapture works in the show?

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Nov 19, 2011

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zoux posted:

I imagine that will be the Big Mystery.
So one of the characters is a rapture scientist

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GreenNight posted:

Wrong, it's going to be the absolutely best thread due to the tears of non answers.
Not if the True Detective thread has anything to say about it.

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muscles like this? posted:

Just a head's up but tonight Syfy is somehow going to air Spartacus: Blood and Sand. It should be fun just to see how chopped up the whole thing is.
So it'll be like 34 minutes long and just the violent bits, none of the sexy bits.

For the first episode anyway.

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Aphrodite posted:

Jupiter's Shocked!

At last the Gods remove rock from walking path!
That's not half bad.

Except every time John Hannah goes on a loving cuss rant, it would be odd not to hear him drop some f-bombs or talking about getting shafted.

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Nov 19, 2011

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zoux posted:

You like literally everything.
Clearly he doesn't belong in TVIV.

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Zaggitz posted:

Just to elaborate, first of all every season has a different intro. In s2 there was a story arc about a computer virus that was created to infect the major plot device of the show, so the intro would get super corrupted and reboot during relevant episodes. In s3 there was an all flashback episode that used the s1 intro in rewind, and an episode from the point of view of a different character, who wrangled the opening narration from the usual protagonist.
Don't forget that the POI of the episode also normally shows up in the title sequence!

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Nov 19, 2011

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It might be too early to say but all the people complaining about The Leftovers are probably the same people who took Lost way too seriously and felt like they got crucified by the finale.

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Nov 19, 2011

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One more insufferable year of insufferable Community fans, followed by another because they will petition for a movie.

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zoux posted:

Remember how we were all like "Pfffff that ancient Egypt show on Fox is gonna get so loving cancelled". Well it did already.
I'm sure the regular viewing public would've been confused as to why there were white people in Egypt, because apparently no one seems to understand how Egyptian history works and think it's all pharaohs and pyramids up until 1960.

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Holy crap, finished the first season of Reign and that was so good. I think Catherine di Medici is way more fun to watch than Cersei Lannister, because the latter barely ever gets anything done in comparison.

Actually, all the ladies on Reign are fantastic in their own way.

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Everyone always gives Maslany all the props but people obviously forget about the people on the crew doing all the composting, hell, even the stand-ins deserve some of the cheer for helping put most of those scenes together.

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