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No More Heroes posted:But they do the whole burning heretics thing...at least on Dragonstone they did. Good things they can just burn corpses!
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I assume they'd mellow out when separated from the culture, sort of like how worshipers of the Seven no longer destroy weirdwood groves.
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No More Heroes posted:but nobody is supposed to be able to impose their will upon the nights watch. A rule, you say? Stannis likes following rules. Now for another matter. I want to bring this one back up, because holy poo poo. Super Ninja Fish posted:They were marching somewhere very relevant to the main plot and they arrived in the first scene of Season 3 Episode 1 before the credits. Unfortunately, due to budget, their arrival was shown with a black screen and noises.
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Jun 28, 2014 07:45
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I'm guessing the White Walkers haven't attacked the wall yet because they know they couldn't get through. I'm thinking that the Wall has a barrier like the cave that Bran is chilling at but the old dude is about to die and the barrier goes with him unless Bran gets hooked up to that tree in his place. The White Walkers are leaving bodies all over the place in horrible patterns to scare the poo poo out of the wildlings so they take out the entrance for them.
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Jun 28, 2014 09:59
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Stumpus posted:Jon seems to be part of this theme that the story is trying to setup. That the unlikely ones will be the heroes. We'll have to see how successful Podrick is at keeping this theme alive.
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Jun 28, 2014 10:32
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Stonefish posted:Now for another matter. I want to bring this one back up, because holy poo poo. I missed this too - most of this time I'd thought most of the rangers died in the mutiny at Craster's. Some very poor presentation there. It would have been a lot more helpful if they'd at least shown enough of the battle to get across the idea of "we're being slaughtered".
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Jun 28, 2014 13:34
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Tenebrais posted:I missed this too - most of this time I'd thought most of the rangers died in the mutiny at Craster's. Some very poor presentation there. It's not poor presentation, you just don't pay attention. The mention the attack at the Fist multiple times after that.
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Jun 28, 2014 14:23
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No really, some fight sound effects and then Jon running through the snow and getting attacked by a single wight doesn't adequately convey "The giant ice dudes killed the brothers". I caught that their numbers were diminished, but I didn't catch that the mostly-unseen mystical ice dudes moved in force and did it.
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Jun 28, 2014 15:39
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Stonefish posted:No really, some fight sound effects and then Jon running through the snow and getting attacked by a single wight doesn't adequately convey "The giant ice dudes killed the brothers". I caught that their numbers were diminished, but I didn't catch that the mostly-unseen mystical ice dudes moved in force and did it. Yea, I obsess about paying attention to details in the show but they didn't do a very good job with this. I didn't know walkers ran through them until I read about it here in the thread.
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Jun 28, 2014 16:26
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Stonefish posted:Completely didn't get that, and it's huge, and I'm usually the one bitching about people missing stuff. It's not your fault. It was badly done. There's nothing in the opening dialogue that suggests they were slaughtered. For some reason, in their wisdom, they decided to keep it a secret from the viewer until the 2nd episode where Orell says that he sees "dead crows." If I hadn't read the books, I would have thought they were victorious. They were all standing in a line showing no panic and Mormont was calmly talking to Sam; they didn't look like they were fleeing anything. The opening scene of S3 is down there with Yara being chased away by dogs as one of the laziest they've ever done. They didn't have to use a black screen with noises. The book already provided a low budget approach to showing the battle. It was told through Sam's point of view; Sam wasn't watching most of the battle. He had been told to go to his tent because he was in everyone's way while they were trying to fight. For most of the battle he was in the tent messing with the ravens and listening to the noises outside to tell how the battle was going. The only time Sam saw wights was in the very beginning and the escape. That's all the show needed to have. It wouldn't have needed to be more than a minute of actual action. If we can have hour long war episodes, I don't see why we couldn't have a minute of zombie action here. Whatever you do, don't just do a black screen with noises. Change the story around if you must but don't do that because that looks awful and it's confusing.
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:I'm guessing the White Walkers haven't attacked the wall yet because they know they couldn't get through. I'm thinking that the Wall has a barrier like the cave that Bran is chilling at but the old dude is about to die and the barrier goes with him unless Bran gets hooked up to that tree in his place. The White Walkers are leaving bodies all over the place in horrible patterns to scare the poo poo out of the wildlings so they take out the entrance for them. Non-specific spoilers, no events that we haven't seen on the show: The Wall* is explicitly stated to be magical. Melisandre can only see whichever side of it she's on when she gazes into flames. I think she maybe can do both sides if she's standing on top of it? Jon can't 'sense' Ghost when they're on opposite sides. Wargs can't control animals on the other side. How this applies to the White Walkers is yet to be known. *Other castles, particularly very old castles, are often magical as well. It's strongly implied, if not outright stated, that the Shadow Baby wouldn't have been able to reach Renly if he'd been in a castle instead of a tent. Speleothing fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jun 28, 2014 |
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Sorry to change the subject but I have a very important question to ask: Is Gwendoline Christie the first actress in television to be kicked in the vagina?
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Super Ninja Fish posted:I would have thought they were victorious. They were all standing in a line showing no panic and Mormont was calmly talking to Sam; they didn't look like they were fleeing anything Was this the part where he was bitching about sending the ravens? "Did you send the ravens Tarly?" "THAT WAS YOUR ONLY JOB!" Where was he supposed to send ravens to and for what?
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No More Heroes posted:Was this the part where he was bitching about sending the ravens? "Did you send the ravens Tarly?" "THAT WAS YOUR ONLY JOB!" Back in season one, Samwell volunteers to go on the great ranging to take care of the ravens. With no real allies on that side of the Wall(Craster doesn't count) the ravens they brought with them were their only lifeline. In most of his scenes in season two, Sam is seen chatting with his friends while they work their butts off shoveling various things. True to form, in the final scene of the season Sam is talking about Gilly while Grenn and Edd dig for dried animal poo poo to burn for fuel. Away from his post at the time when he was needed most. Instead of learning about the white walkers(not to mention Mance's army) within days of the battle of the fist, it takes weeks for word to make it back. Sam really hosed up.
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Petah posted:Sorry to change the subject but I have a very important question to ask: Is Gwendoline Christie the first actress in television to be kicked in the vagina? No, but I'm pretty sure she's the first where they didn't have the female laugh and shrug and say,"But I don't have male genitals therefore a solid kick to my crotch couldn't possibly hurt!"
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I think the final scene of S3 would've been a lot better if instead of just zooming out after scared Sam, they showed a scene of the rangers at the Fist looking down at the undead army coming toward them.
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Almost anything they did there would have been better. 1. After the black screen with noises, they could have had a still shot of lots of dead men. 2. During the black screen, Mormont could have been shouting commands to retreat. 3. Mormont could have told Sam there was a battle and hundreds of their men died. (Why would he keep that a secret from Sam and the audience? It doesn't make any sense) With just a little bit of creativity, the terror and panic of the battle could have been shown without a single zombie on screen. Simply have them talk about the zombie army approaching, tell Sam to go hide in a tent because he's useless in battle and would just get in their way, have Sam listen to the noises of shouting and battle, then have someone run in to the tent and tell Sam they've been ordered to retreat. Cut to opening credits. It would be so easy to make this scene work and have viewers understand what happened even without filming anything expensive and using hardly any of the budget. some bust on that guy fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jun 29, 2014 |
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Jun 29, 2014 00:37
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Speleothing posted:Non-specific spoilers, no events that we haven't seen on the show: I'm just now doing a rewatch but I'm only three episodes in. For that last spoiler, which episode we looking at?
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Spoilers are for S2e5 and S4e10.
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Jerusalem posted:No, but I'm pretty sure she's the first where they didn't have the female laugh and shrug and say,"But I don't have male genitals therefore a solid kick to my crotch couldn't possibly hurt!" Ah yes, I forgot about Peggy Hill and her titanium vagina. I kinda feel like being kicked in the vagina doesn't hurt as much as being kicked in the balls but it's silly to think that it would be THAT different.
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Petah posted:Ah yes, I forgot about Peggy Hill and her titanium vagina. I kinda feel like being kicked in the vagina doesn't hurt as much as being kicked in the balls but it's silly to think that it would be THAT different. Going by personal experience (albeit casual roughhousing between kids as opposed to a literal fight to the death between grown-rear end knights), it hurts a substantial amount with all the nerve endings in the general region and also the pelvis not having a bunch of protection. It's sort of like the worst parts of hitting your elbow and being hit in the nose combined into one. Probably not as bad as a shot to the balls, although getting kicked by a big angry knight in metal boots isn't going to be a picnic no matter what he's kicking.
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Alopex posted:Probably not as bad as a shot to the balls, although getting kicked by a big angry knight in metal boots isn't going to be a picnic no matter what he's kicking. The Hound isn't a knight 
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Alopex posted:Going by personal experience (albeit casual roughhousing between kids as opposed to a literal fight to the death between grown-rear end knights), it hurts a substantial amount with all the nerve endings in the general region and also the pelvis not having a bunch of protection. It's sort of like the worst parts of hitting your elbow and being hit in the nose combined into one. Yeah I figure getting kicked in the vagina hurts because of the clitoris and all that but I still think there's one crucial factor missing. Getting kicked in the penis certainly hurts, especially if the tip gets hit, but I don't think it compares to the pain of the testicles being crushed. The ovaries of a woman are well protected by comparison so I think there's a very critical difference there.
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I think pip tried to grab the high lord's cock. Also, he doesn't seem the singing type. Story full of holes.
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monster on a stick posted:The Hound Fixed 
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Frostwerks posted:I think pip tried to grab the high lord's cock. Also, he doesn't seem the singing type. Story full of holes. Wasn't it established that it was the other way around that Pip refused the high lord? But yeah, lots of holes.
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zeroozero posted:Wasn't it established that it was the other way around that Pip refused the high lord? But yeah, lots of holes. Pip was some kind of minstrel and yon High Lord either wanted him to shine his silver or vice versa.
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zeroozero posted:Wasn't it established that it was the other way around that Pip refused the high lord? But yeah, lots of holes. That's the story. But I actually think it's the other way around for no good reason other than it amuses me.
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Bagpuss_UK posted:Fixed We didn't actually see him expire on the show so until season 5 comes out (or I get to that point in the books) I'm hoping he's picked up by one of the men of the eyrie, taken to a Maester and then ends up guarding Sansa. Edit: Is there any reason why the men of the eyrie were uninterested in taking Arya Stark off the Hound's hands? Even if they were unaware Sansa was there she's still Robin's cousin and so far the Eyrie is probably the safest place in the realm for her if the Hound wanted to leave her somewhere safe. Now, I could understand him leaving with Arya if he knew Little Finger was there but I don't remember the guards mentioning that. Sephiroth_IRA fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Jul 1, 2014 |
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:We didn't actually see him expire on the show so until season 5 comes out (or I get to that point in the books) I'm hoping he's picked up by one of the men of the eyrie, taken to a Maester and then ends up guarding Sansa. There isn't, because they would have. They would have vetted her at least. Especially if her aunt just died. It was one of the more frustrating parts of the episode.
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Why would they believe she's Arya Stark? Especially since once the two of them learn that Lysa is dead, they would have no reason to press their case to the guards. Just another pair of dirty war refuges trying to con their way into the safety of a castle.
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Sansa and Arya. Arya and Robb. Bran and Jon (twice). Stark siblings keep getting close and getting dragged away. It's getting really loving old. At this rate, I fully expect Arya to get to Braavos and find Syrio Forel just as he bleeds out and dies without so much as a glance.
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Maybe I'm wrong but I had the impression The Hound mentioned that he was with Arya before the guards told him that Lady Lysa was dead? If that's the case then you would think the guards would be interested in taking Arya off his hands since she's Robin's cousin and I'm sure they knew Sansa was there so she could verfiy if she's really Arya Stark or not.
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Stonefish posted:Sansa and Arya. Arya and Robb. Bran and Jon (twice). Stark siblings keep getting close and getting dragged away. It's getting really loving old. Syrio's been dead for a good while now.
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I think he meant Jaqen. It is getting a little too much like American Tail though.
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:If that's the case then you would think the guards would be interested in taking Arya off his hands since she's Robin's cousin and I'm sure they knew Sansa was there so she could verfiy if she's really Arya Stark or not.
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:I think he meant Jaqen. There are nooooo Lannisters in Essos and the streets are paved with lemon cakes Edit: Soooomewhere out there. During the long niiiight. White Walkers marching towards me, and turning me into a whight Macaluso fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Jul 1, 2014 |
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Somewhere out there Under the pale moonlight Arya Stark whispers of me So she can get to sleep tonight. edit: beaten. Sephiroth_IRA fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Jul 1, 2014 |
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Shadow posted:I agree it was odd they didn't let in the niece of the late Lady of the House, but no they don't know it's Sansa. They clearly said the 2 Lords and 1 Lady who were interrogating Littlefinger would keep the secret that Sansa was not there as it was just Littlefinger's niece. Also why would two random guards know Lysa's entire family tree? Just because someone claims to be a stark is no reason to think they're one of catelyn's kids. Also claiming to be a stark is probably a pretty common sob story in that part of the seven kingdoms at that point. They've probably heard something like that before as part of a con.
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