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Mister Kingdom posted:It's more fun to talk about the bad. You could uh, not do that instead talk about the insanely sick poo poo that is a Faust making deals with demons and read Pynchon or somethings instead of dumb poo poo.
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"Man reading good books means I can only talk about them in a purely academic fashion," said the idiot who has not moved on since public school.
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Stravinsky posted:You could uh, not do that instead talk about the insanely sick poo poo that is a Faust making deals with demons and read Pynchon or somethings instead of dumb poo poo. To each his own, I suppose.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:19
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Zoq-Fot-Pik posted:Any suggestions OP? Sun and Steel, Yukio Mishima Outlaws of the Marsh/Water Margin/All Men Are Brothers, attributed to Shi Naian Divina Commedia, Dante Aligheri, translated by John Ciardi Foucault's Pendulum, Umberto Eco Revenge, Yoko Ogawa The Power and the Glory, Graham Greene A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, James Joyce Catch-22, Joseph Heller The Maltese Falcon, Dashiell Hammett The Long Goodbye, Raymond Chandler Doctor Zhivago, Boris Pasternak Roadside Picnic, Arkady and Boris Strugatsky At Swim-Two-Birds, Flann O'Brien Go Down, Moses, William Faulkner The Haunting of Hill House, Shirley Jackson
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Jun 18, 2014 03:21
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Smoking Crow posted:I recommend my favorite book, Winesburg, Ohio by Sherwood Anderson. It's a beautiful look at the types of hosed up people that choose to live in small Midwestern towns. It's wonderful and dripping with subtext. Make sure to read every chapter twice to get the full meaning! Effectronica posted:Sun and Steel, Yukio Mishima Thank you OP
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Jun 18, 2014 03:22
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Stravinsky posted:"Man reading good books means I can only talk about them in a purely academic fashion," said the idiot who has not moved on since public school. Way back in my undergrad years I took a lit class and holy crap it was so much better than any of my lit classes in high school. Not that I minded those but dang if they don't make people think that non-genre books are supposed to be incomprehensible without a lot of studying.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:24
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Read some real literature says the guy with the anime avatar. OK, Mr. Anime Dude, I will. Oh wait I already do. OK, bye! Damo fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Jun 18, 2014 03:27
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Damo posted:Read some real literature says the guy with the anime avatar. Get the best of both worlds, and watch a literary anime such as Ping Pong: The Animation, imo.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:30
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I actually just finished a reread of Catch 22 (it's pretty light reading, frankly, and I recommend it to everyone) and watched the movie which I'd never gotten around to before. M&M's brothel was a particularly good touch for the adaptation.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:34
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Damo posted:Read some real literature says the guy with the anime avatar. The anime is drinking piss as well WTF?!?!
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Jun 18, 2014 03:36
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Butt Frosted Cake posted:The anime is drinking piss as well WTF?!?! I would love to know the subtext for that.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:38
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Mister Kingdom posted:I would love to know the subtext for that. It's olive oil. Someone in GBS made it for me because I opened an olive oil appreciation thread and my old avatar was Katyusha.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:39
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Smoking Crow posted:It's olive oil. Someone in GBS made it for me because I opened an olive oil appreciation thread and my old avatar was Katyusha. But what does it really mean?
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Jun 18, 2014 03:40
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Smoking Crow posted:It's olive oil. Someone in GBS made it for me because I opened an olive oil appreciation thread and my old avatar was Katyusha. You should do an avocado oil thread.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:40
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Mister Kingdom posted:But what does it really mean? Click it and find out! 
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Damo posted:Read some real literature says the guy with the anime avatar. Then talk about them, here, on this forum for talking about books.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:42
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Smoking Crow posted:Click it and find out! Ha! That's exactly what I figured.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:43
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OK, I will! Has anyone read that annotated version Lolita? Would you recommend it for someone who hasn't read it before, or is it better for someone already familiar with the novel?
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Jun 18, 2014 03:48
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Stravinsky posted:"Man reading good books means I can only talk about them in a purely academic fashion," said the idiot who has not moved on since public school. Engaging the text actually owns tho, and it is easy and everyone can do it, and then you get to enjoy your favorite faustian book three times enjoy the devil book on the surface enjoy thinking about what the devil book meant to your personally and then discuss the matter with your close friends and share your perspectives/ideas what would this world be if all you ever talked about was wasn't it cool when faust made that bargain, and then he got everything he asked for...or did he!!?
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Jun 18, 2014 03:49
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Srice posted:Way back in my undergrad years I took a lit class and holy crap it was so much better than any of my lit classes in high school. Yeah. I always enjoyed things like Victor Hugo's stuff, but taking some undergrad lit classes can be really fun especially when compared with the high school equivalent.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:49
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Can't I just use postmodernism to pretend that the books I read with the wizards and poo poo in them are works of art? You know, look for the subtext in the way that one guy decapitates the monster or whatever?Effectronica posted:The Maltese Falcon, Dashiell Hammett That book is badass as hell. Have you read Shoot the Piano Player?
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Jun 18, 2014 03:53
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Damo posted:OK, I will! I wouldn't get it, because imo its not worth getting caught up on the details it brings up the first time through. Tarranon posted:Engaging the text actually owns tho, and it is easy and everyone can do it, and then you get to enjoy your favorite faustian book three times That's different from what dude was saying though. He only thinks the discussion can take place like you writing an essay on war and peace for ms. Taylor's senior ap english class.
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Stravinsky posted:I wouldn't get it, because imo its not worth getting caught up on the details it brings up the first time through. IMO you should never read an annotated edition before reading the unannotated text unless it's a translated edition which needs a lot of explanatory footnotes. Even then you can get by without it for, say, a good translation of the Four Classic Chinese Novels.
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Yeah, makes sense. I wonder though if the annotations are written in such a way that I can just ignore them the first time through. I should just crack it open at the store the next chance I get and check it out.
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Jun 18, 2014 04:01
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So where should I go in Native American literature after Momaday, Silko, and Alexie?
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Effectronica posted:So where should I go in Native American literature after Momaday, Silko, and Alexie? I'm only vaguely knowledgeable about Japanese, Euro-American and Russian lit, sorry.
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Smoking Crow posted:I'm only vaguely knowledgeable about Japanese, Euro-American and Russian lit, sorry. Actually, I was hoping to attract someone else in, but you really should read those three. I would avoid anything Leslie Marmon Silko wrote after the eighties, admittedly.
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Never really seen the appeal of capital L Literature - reading it is a whole lot of work and very little enjoyment - not something I look for when I'm lookin for something to read. Plus, a whole lotta literature is hella depressing, which makes me want to read it even less. Honestly, literature and genre books seem so incredibly separate in everything they intend to do that even the comparison of a big mac to a filet mignon seems off, - I'd say those two foods have considerably more in common than the average piece of literature and the average genre novel. Wolpertinger fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Wolpertinger posted:Never really seen the appeal of capital L Literature - reading it whole lot of it is work and very little enjoyment - not something I look for when I'm lookin for something to read. Plus, a whole lotta literature is hella depressing, which makes me want to read it even less. What have you read in terms of "high literature"?
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Crime and Punishment is my favorite novel, but that doesn't mean I can't like some genre fiction. Dune, the Lord of the Rings, the first three Songs of Ice and Fire; those books ain't bad, man. But I want to emphasize how much you should pay attention to Jive One, with regards to Russian Realism. Because before I picked up Dostoevsky, I thought Fitzgerald, Hemingway and Philip K. Dick were the greats. Boy was I wrong. Tiresias2 fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Effectronica posted:What have you read in terms of "high literature"? I'd like to know too, because that is really painting it with broad strokes. There are plenty of non-genre books that aren't depressing or anything!
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Effectronica posted:What have you read in terms of "high literature"? Almost nothing beyond the typical high school classics, I mean I've tried some, but not in a while, as I've never been able to actually stick with one for long enough to actually finish all or even most of it. The impression I have of things literature having a tendency to be depressing is just from the descriptions I've heard of literature from people who have actually read it and understood it better than me, though I may just have been bumping into people who really love reading about the futility of human existence or whatever. Wolpertinger fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Wolpertinger posted:Almost nothing beyond the typical high school classics, I mean I've tried some but I've never been able to actually stick with one for long enough to actually finish all or even most of it. What ones did you try?
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tentative8e8op posted:What ones did you try? The Great Gatsby, Fahrenheit, Animal Farm, 'simpler' stuff like that. If I try to open something like War and Peace I'm lost by page 2.
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Wolpertinger posted:The Great Gatsby, Fahrenheit, Animal Farm, 'simpler' stuff like that. If I try to open something like War and Peace I'm lost by page 2. Read Dashiell Hammett or Raymond Chandler or James M. Cain or William Faulkner's Knight's Gambit. Their novels are generally considered to be high literature but it's still also detective fiction. Or read some of the great writers of short fiction- Mark Twain, Anton Chekov, etc.
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Jun 18, 2014 05:49
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I'll recommend A Confederacy of Dunces, since it's an easy read and since you are posting on this site I assume you are entertained by stories of terrible people getting into humorous situations.
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Jun 18, 2014 06:00
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David Foster Wallace is pretty cool IMO
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Smoking Crow posted:That makes no sense because that would mean that you read both good and bad and only choose to talk about the bad. That would be like drinking champagne from France and Milwaukee's Best and only choosing to talk about Milwaukee's Best. Studies show that angry posts tend to get more replies than positives posts on message boards. See, The Bad Thread.
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Wolpertinger posted:If I try to open something like War and Peace I'm lost by page 2. All the cool kids read The Kingdom of God is Within You instead.
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I don't think it's that bad. I see people talk about literature all the time. I visit every day and I've never clicked on a genre thread. Edit: Actually i guess it could be a lot better. There is a ton of genre threads, and I realize now that when i visit this forum I really only check for new replies in 2 or 3 threads I follow among everything there. Sir John Feelgood fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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