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Mister Kingdom posted:It's more fun to talk about the bad. You could uh, not do that instead talk about the insanely sick poo poo that is a Faust making deals with demons and read Pynchon or somethings instead of dumb poo poo.
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"Man reading good books means I can only talk about them in a purely academic fashion," said the idiot who has not moved on since public school.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:16
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Damo posted:OK, I will! I wouldn't get it, because imo its not worth getting caught up on the details it brings up the first time through. Tarranon posted:Engaging the text actually owns tho, and it is easy and everyone can do it, and then you get to enjoy your favorite faustian book three times That's different from what dude was saying though. He only thinks the discussion can take place like you writing an essay on war and peace for ms. Taylor's senior ap english class.
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Jun 18, 2014 03:55
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Mister Kingdom posted:But if I do read those types of books and I don't "get" the subtext, then I'm judged as some kind of imbecile. Here's the thing, if you do not get something there are people who read it that did and they will tell you what you missed. Maybe even here on this very forum.
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Jun 18, 2014 16:38
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Stravinsky posted:Here's the thing, if you do not get something there are people who read it that did and they will tell you what you missed. Maybe even here on this very forum. Let me put a caveat here, I'm going to call you an idiot if you do it in a way that would fit in with the books you couldn't get through thread.
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Jun 18, 2014 16:46
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Srice posted:You should make a thread for that book! Yes please do. If the discussion isnt going on then start it. Even if you feel like your hanging out in the wind you at least brought attention to whatever your talking about. Hence why I never shut up about the blind owl. Stravinsky fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Jun 18, 2014 22:50
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And just like that, The Accursed is on my list of books to read.
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Jun 19, 2014 01:55
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Talmonis posted:I think it has more to do with the confusion at the vast majority of people not enjoying (or hell, even seeking out in the first place) work that can be considered "high culture". Really, schools should just stop forcing boring books on kids. (Protip: Do not make energetic teenagers read Pride and Prejudice, Jane Eyre or Wuthering Heights) It scares them away from heavier topics later in life. Hell, some it even scares away from reading for pleasure at all. You are really stuck on high school aren't you?
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Jun 19, 2014 22:28
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Also where are these schools that made you guys read these things? All I got was the Great Gatsby, The Kite Runner and a book with a character named DJ Cool Hands.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:29
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Pessimisten posted:My god, the irony of this loving thread. You'd think people talking about the virtues of lit discussions and analysis would be a bit more open to actually reading posts and discussing them. Who the gently caress really has a prosecution complex in here? I don't identify with TBB or so called "genre fiction" and i could give a rats rear end about anyones opinion in either. I simply wanted to point out how this thread proclaims to serve some kind of purpose of broadening this forum while doing the exact opposite and alienating anyone who identified with the things you state so clearly to be bad and childish. Chill bro, we just be hangin, talkin books an poo poo in here! why ya'll gotta beef? No one is telling you to give up your bad genre fiction. Just read beyond it so you can enrich your life. There is really no excuse to not do it.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:40
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mango gay touchies posted:I think a FYAD-lite for TBB would be a good idea, personally, and I volunteer to be the moderator of it ew/phiz
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Jun 20, 2014 00:52
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John Charity Spring posted:Non-genre fiction is just like genre fiction in that quality varies a lot - just because a book isn't genre fiction doesn't automatically make it good. I actually hate separating books into this is genre fiction and this is not. There are plenty of genre fiction authors out there who write great books that stand along non genre fiction. To separate them is to ghettoize what authors write. I really think all fiction should be viewed on its merits of being a good book or not and not just a good urban fantasy book. I think I have written this post before......
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Jun 20, 2014 21:43
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Every time I hear someone describe any of chabons works it sounds terrible.
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Jun 27, 2014 01:36
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He has earned the benefit of the doubt from me though because the Yiddish Police Man's Union was good and I thought the description sounded terrible when I first heard that as well.
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Jun 27, 2014 01:38
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nutranurse posted:So I've read a ton of the 'classics' of non-genre lit, but I always find it hard to parse out the good modern/contemporary (like 00's onwards) litfic. Anyone have recommendations? If someone mentions Murakami I'll poo poo down your throat, not because he's bad (I actually really like Norwegian Wood, 1Q84's a loving slog though), but because that's the dude people tend to throw up to show how cool and non-Western they are in their litfic taste. Off the top of my head: Kobo Abe Pynchon Mo Yan Dellilo Milorad Pavic Ryu Murakami Tao Lin (joke answer do not read)
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Jun 27, 2014 23:20
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Mr. Squishy posted:I do not like Delillo though I have not read Mao 2. I respect him, though I do not necessarily really like him. i am paul newman posted:Shouldn't be too snobby about other people's reading. Truth is, there are no bad books, except those that poison with hate (pop non-fiction about freedom and abortion, and such). Harry Potter isn't the enemy of Chekhov, it's the enemy of TMZ. Actually there are bad books. Just like there are bad movies, bad music, and bad drawings.
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Jun 29, 2014 00:31
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Stop talking about grr martin in this thread or I will commit murder suicide.
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Jul 13, 2014 00:00
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I am reading Memoirs of my Mental Illness since I made the mistake of letting someone borrow the book I was reading and its a really good look at well, being crazy. You can sit there and read these crazy insane things like magical thinking and realise that some one legit believed these were real. Coupled with the letter he sends to one of the uhhh asylum wardens or whatever its called you can tell he still believes a lot of what he wrote, at least partially. Its fascinating and even though I am only part way in I would say its most definently worth reading.
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Jul 13, 2014 00:06
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Holy poo poo guys! Now can we get a niggerstomper58 rewrite or a motherfucking grey alien open palm slam in here?
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Jul 13, 2014 00:46
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Chamberk posted:I could throw up a Dickens thread soon. Or maybe a 19th century novel thread, which might get more traffic... Not every thread has to be some sprawling 50 page monster. Small threads are cool as well.
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Jul 16, 2014 18:25
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Mr. Squishy posted:Does anyone know a good English translation of Goethe's Faust, or at least which ones are just awful and to be avoided? David Luke did a pretty good contemporary translation with tons of notes if that is your thing. Beyard Taylor's is an older translation that keeps the original metre but you are bereft of all the extra dlc content that Luke's version contains but I still find it p. decee.
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Jul 22, 2014 13:50
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mallamp posted:Magical realists of course, but they have to call themselves that to avoid being lumped with the medieval bullshit. Magical realism is pretty different from fantasy imo. Magic realism tends to deal with well fantastical things people believe in/believe and are tinged in the fear/suspicion of the unknown and how it relates to the real world. Sometimes these elements are metaphoricle in nature. Fantasy deals in known imaginary elements in a purely constructed world and has no real connections with the real.
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Sep 12, 2014 18:57
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If your sole criteria for something being fantasy is magic or something then I can see why you think the magic realists are just trying to shrug off the fantasy label but that's pretty wrong. I read a book that had a woman turn into a tree, another one who came back to life and could extend her face as well as read minds, and a woman who became translucent during childbirth but I would not consider it a fantasy book due to these elements.
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Sep 12, 2014 19:02
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Earwicker posted:I wouldn't say all fantasy deals with a "purely constructed world". There are authors like Charles deLint and Diana Wynne Jones who write fantasy novels that bring fantasy elements like magic etc into the real world, but their books are not at all what I'd call magical realist. Your right, I was over generalizing
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Sep 13, 2014 00:04
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Now that we have talked about western canon let's talk eastern:
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Oct 2, 2014 14:33
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Just because it is short does not mean its the way to go in. Especially with Pynchon. Read gravitys rainbow.
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Oct 15, 2014 05:01
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Its a funny one
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Oct 15, 2014 05:12
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How about instead try and read catch 22, no longer human by ozuma dazai, american psycho, down and out in Paris and London, a ryu marakami book, uhhhh some other stuff I can not think of off the top of my head. All good things that are easy to understand the first time through.
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Oct 21, 2014 08:24
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No this guy is right, idiocracy was a documentary.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:16
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People tend to forget that English is a living language, which means it is going to change over time and is not set in stone. Modern day English is way different than what was spoken in say Shakespeare's time, or heck even during the revolutionary war.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:19
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Also do not memorize Hamlet. You have zero reason to unless you really like it and decided you wanted to perform it or something.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:23
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Ras Het posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but this doesn't actually happen. I'm pretty sure it's been shown that mass media exposure to different dialects doesn't actually cause any particular spread of those dialects. Vocabulary, sure, but that's different. Dialects are largely formed at a young age and the largest influence is on what your peers (other schoolchildren at the same age) and parents spoke.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:25
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Mr. Squishy posted:Your mind is being blown by an online poll being rigged. I'm sad that it doesn't spell out anything
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Nov 26, 2014 17:08
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Can we not talk about grr martin in the real lit thread. Take it to the thread that made the rapefanfic instead please.
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Dec 8, 2014 21:06
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I reread Mo Yan's Life and Death Are Wearing Me Out in Chinese. I still feel that its a good book but definently not something I would recommend reading twice (unless you are doing something like I was and working on a language) as there is almost nothing that has a deep meaning that you would not pick up the first time kinda like The Master and Margarita. I do think it reads better in Chinese much like how most translations are.
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Dec 8, 2014 21:39
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Oh cool, the book reports we did in sixth grade thread was finally made. Yeah I too did mine on the life of pi.
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Dec 30, 2014 22:22
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Davincie posted:i read after dark by murakami recently and there were some obvious hints to greater things going on in the book. are they explored in any of his other books or are they not connected? I am pretty certain they are not connected at all and are self contained in the book.
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Dec 30, 2014 22:22
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I am a truck driver
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fozzy fosbourne posted:Some of the most erudite goons I've encountered are truck drivers or on a military deployment which is kind of cool. I studied computer science and math :shobo: I'm super smart and handsome and I memorised Hamlet.
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