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smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

A Hobbit's Adventure
Hi lit thread, do you guys have a preferred translation of Tao Te Ching?

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smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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derp posted:

Ernest Hemingway, literary genius

correct

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

A Hobbit's Adventure
I read The Trial for the first time and it rules, now I want to read more Kafka. I've just read that and Metamorphosis, what would you consider essential by him? Or should I just read it all?

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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Thanks for the Kafka tips from a while back, I appreciate it.

Also just finished reading the brief Embers by Sándor Márai, which I really enjoyed--200 pages of an old Hungarian talking to his best friend about how the friend betrayed him 40 years ago.

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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Not having read any Saunders, I checked Pastoralia out from the library, and let me tell you, folks, it’s good and funny and emotional.

“The cave lady just called you a suckass” is pretty much a perfect line, to me.

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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I have no pretensions of having "good taste," don't worry

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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In case it hasn't been talked about enough ITT, I finally got my hands on Lincoln in the Bardo and really enjoyed it. I'm always a sucker for themes of death and remembrance though.

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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There’s a scene in Lincoln in the Bardo where, while running after Abraham Lincoln, a ghost has to carry his feet-long penis in his hands to avoid tripping over it and that alone makes it worth reading imo

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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chernobyl kinsman posted:

the buried giant has a dragon in it

I'm reading this right now and I'm enjoying it but also I'm really easy to please. The style is interesting and fun, to me.

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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I’m a dumbass stem undergrad but this quarter I’m taking a really cool comp lit class on modernist novels so get ready for a bunch of hot takes mfers
My first hot take is that the first reading for that class, which was an essay by Simone Weil on the Iliad, owned bones
Thank you for reading

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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I just read The Radetzky March by Joseph Roth, it was really good
I really liked the part where this bureaucrat gets the Kaiser of the Austro-Hungarian empire to pay off the debt that the bureaucrat’s son racked up on trips to Vienna to gently caress a married woman and the Kaiser’s just kinda like sure whatever

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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Coleridge is a poet who is fun and good to read, imo

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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Is your face tomorrow good? Marias has been on my to-check-out list for a while

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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I read The Time of the Doves by rodoreda, and I really liked it.
If anyone has any other recommendations for Catalan lit that’d be cool.

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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Read The Skin by Malaparte and it was pretty great, further confirming this thread's opinion on fascist authors (although I think he shifted more towards communism during the time he wrote it)
in the 2nd to last scene he has a fever dream where a three-headed fetus puts a giant fetus who is also Benito Mussolini on trial and well if that's not cool idk what is

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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https://www.economist.com/news/books-and-arts/21738344-one-morning-you-might-wake-up-find-you-have-been-transformed-gregor-samsa
very bad imo

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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A human heart posted:

Let's all read Hogg

imagining an epic TBB thread called like "Holy poo poo, PISS: Let's read Hogg!" where some goon buys a kindle version and copy-pastes long sections of pornography while offering an in-depth critique of the accuracy of the rear end-eating descriptions, the comma placement, internal coherence of the world-building, etc etc

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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Tim Burns Effect posted:

I just realized my current reading list is accidentally comprised entirely of italians (calvino, de maria, ferrante), any more i should add to the list while i'm at it? Eco maybe?

read the skin by curzio malaparte, I just did and it’s badass

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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http://www.vulture.com/2018/05/junot-daz-accused-of-sexual-misconduct-and-verbal-abuse.html

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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I read a book of short stories by Kazuo Ishiguro called Nocturnes, it was nice and sweet and also very funny at times, but the best part was reading the review Christopher Hitchens did of it in the NYT where he complained that there weren’t enough five-dollar words in it

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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Read 2018 booker winner Milkman by Anna Burns, which was real neat, I thought. About an 18-year-old Belfast woman being sexually harassed by an IRA guy, featuring long digressions about the effects of living in an atmosphere of fear.
Also just some really great characters, like the young man who kills himself because he's terrified of nuclear war between the US and USSR, or the woman who goes around constantly poisoning people, but everyone kind of shrugs it off as her little eccentricity. Good book!

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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Read Saramago’s Death with Interruptions, my first of his. I know it’s supposed to be one of his lesser books, but I really enjoyed it, especially the more meandering, discursive first part. Will have to read Blindness at some point.

I’m curious if anyone has recommendations of authors from the Baltics?

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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Klara and the Sun Out Now

https://twitter.com/publicroad/status/1366771209879379971

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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Read the new Ishiguro, Klara and the Sun, which I quite enjoyed, I think if someone likes his general schtick they'll like it. For something completely different I'm now gonna try Fathers and Sons.

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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blue squares posted:

I don’t get the praise for Klara and the Sun and suspect the authors reputation is the primary reason it has gotten so much attention. It was originally conceived of as a children’s book and it shows in the writing, which is plain, and the main character’s perspective, which is essentially that of a simple minded child

If it is meant to be some kind of allegory of the way the servant class is treated by the wealthy, I can read novels of much greater sophistication that feature human characters that live the experience, by authors whose personal backgrounds bring greater credibility to the depictions of those experiences

A robot is taken for granted. That’s the story. It does nothing for me


My biggest complaint is that the writing itself is so bland. This is why books written from a child’s perspective so often don’t work

From a while back, but as one of those who did enjoy the book, I’m interested in this. I think it’s certainly true that Ishiguro’s reputation got the book more attention than it would have with another author, but I think that’s kind of a truism when you’ve got a Nobel winner. I’m most interested in the characterization of the prose as bland, though. I’m wondering if you’ve read any of Ishiguro’s other books, and how you’d compare the prose of Klara if so—critics (both those who like the books and those who don’t) often describe the prose in pretty much all of his books as “flat,” and I have a hard time discerning whether that’s a euphemism for boring, or whether they intend it to be a value-free descriptor.

Here’s a quote from the climax of Klara. The narrator, Klara, has arrived at a barn that she believes the Sun will visit as it sets, to request that it heal her friend:

quote:

As before, the barn was filled with orange light, and it was hard at first to see my surroundings. But I soon discerned the blocks of hay stacked up to my left, and I could see the low wall they formed had become even lower. There were the same particles of hay caught within the Sun’s rays, but instead of drifting gently in the air, they were now moving agitatedly as if one of the hay blocks had recently crashed down onto the hard wood floor and disintegrated. When I reached up to touch these moving particles, I noticed how my fingers cast shadows stretching all the way back to the barn’s entrance.

I think the excerpt is fairly typical of the writing throughout. Now, obviously taste is taste, but I don’t find that particularly bland or boring writing - I'm curious what others think. I also don’t find it too terribly different, stylistically, from the other Ishiguros I’ve read. Certainly it isn’t flowery, and there aren’t any Vocabulary Words, but it’s got a certain rhythm that works for me, I suppose.

I think it’s definitely true that in Ishiguro’s writing, the ideas often are more “important” than the writing style—in that way, he’s almost a glorified genre writer. But that doesn’t mean the writing is bad. Idk, obviously my thoughts are a bit scattered, but I hope this makes some kind of sense.

smug n stuff fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Apr 16, 2021

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smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

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Read and really enjoyed the very short Love by Hanne Ørstavik. I'm a sucker for sentimentalism though.

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