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Huh, I thought that each character had a separate Special Action. Guess not v vE: wait, I thought Oriana's discards cycle as normal? or am I remembering the rules wrong as I am wont to do?
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When one of your characters dies, if you've used your special action already, you get another. Each character has their own special action card if you're playing face-to-face so you don't have to try and swap the special action card surreptitiously back and forth between the characters' hands when you want to use it. That doesn't actually give you any extra special actions. As for discards, "Negate the opponent's entire attack pair. Treat it as though they played nothing at all. Rearrange all standups on the board however you wish." - page 28 of the rulebook
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Jun 20, 2014 06:57
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Weird, I could have sworn Pulse made the other player cycle their discards.
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Jun 20, 2014 07:10
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Er, it does. My discard should now be Metamagic Shot and Calamity Meteor. Damnit, now I have to find the FAQ for Pulse and Cancel again. This is the worst part of the rulebook.
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Jun 20, 2014 07:12
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Are you talking about this?FAQ posted:Q: Pulse vs Cancel vs Finisher; What happens when two of those are played the same beat?
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Jun 20, 2014 07:25
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Man the more I look at it the more absurd Unstable looks. It gets +1 to max range, power, priority, AND its MP effects are pretty loving brutal 
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Jun 20, 2014 07:34
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i have come to a conclusion and that conclusion is that i don't like playing against oriana 
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Jun 20, 2014 07:59
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The closest I can find to an official answer is here. It's not straight from the mouth of Talton himself, but Sasha "Phyr" Parsa is the writer of the FAQ, and the closest I've found to an authoritative answer. (It also makes the most sense to me, given the official interaction of Pulse/Cancel--why would the Cancel pair cycle if this wasn't the normal intent of a pulse?)
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Jun 20, 2014 08:35
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Alright, fair enough. Oriana's discards have rotated then.
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Jun 20, 2014 08:38
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Wolery posted:
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Jun 20, 2014 08:56
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OK it's ante time! Hikaru is still first to ante. You know what to do.
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Gutter Owl posted:The closest I can find to an official answer is here. So you don't cycle your discard, but your opponent does, and will have 1 empty discard pile (assuming he didn't play a cancel/finisher)? Or he'll just put his attack pair for that turn in his discard pile and act as though they weren't played? S.J. fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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Jun 20, 2014 16:38
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S.J. posted:So you don't cycle your discard, but your opponent does, and will have 1 empty discard pile (assuming he didn't play a cancel/finisher)? Or he'll just put his attack pair for that turn in his discard pile and act as though they weren't played? The opponent's negated attack pair cycles into their Discard Pile 1 as if it were a normal attack pair. Here's a quick rewrite of Pulse's rules for clarity: quote:Pulse Baron Fuzzlewhack fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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Jun 20, 2014 16:51
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I ante Water.
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Jun 20, 2014 16:55
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You don't really discard your special action though, do you? It doesn't go into your discard pile. You remove it from the game.
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Jun 20, 2014 16:57
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Baron Fuzzlewhack posted:The opponent's negated attack pair cycles into their Discard Pile 1 as if it were a normal attack pair. Okay sweet, that makes sense. Thanks man.
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Jun 20, 2014 16:57
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Wolery posted:You don't really discard your special action though, do you? It doesn't go into your discard pile. You remove it from the game. True. I'll change it. Chalk that one up to Lvl99's inconsistent use of terms (i.e. Runika "discarding" an artifact after an Overcharged style).
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Baron Fuzzlewhack posted:True. I'll change it. Chalk that one up to Lvl99's inconsistent use of terms (i.e. Runika "discarding" an artifact after an Overcharged style). That and how everything in the game "activates". Argh!
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Jun 20, 2014 17:06
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Pass.
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Wolery posted:
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Jun 20, 2014 23:44
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1 space.
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Jun 21, 2014 00:50
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Woo, life loss cannot stun. Before activating, I'll advance 1. After activating, I'll pay 3 life.
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Jun 21, 2014 01:16
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Regain Fire. Can't conquer Indines if you're on fire 
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Jun 21, 2014 01:42
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Beat 3 Oriana Vellopholetta 7 Life Discard 1: Celestial | Drive Discard 2: Metamagical | Strike Finisher: Nihil Eraser Magic Pool:  x10Iaxus the Shattered 20 Life Discard 1: Folding | Tag Discard 2: Diffuse | Grasp Finisher: Zone Eater Plane: Tidal VS. Lymn 20 Life Discard 1: Chimeric | Visions Discard 2: Maddening | Tag Hikaru Sorayama 14 Life Discard 1: Trance | Burst Discard 2: Geomantic | Shot Elements: Water, Wind, Fire     -- Oriana does not ante anything. -- Hikaru antes Wind.         -- Hikaru has Priority 7. Oriana has Priority 6. Hikaru is Active Player!  -- Hikaru advances 1!  -- Hikaru advances 1!  -- Advancing Wind Drive has Range 1. Oriana is at Range 1. Hikaru hits with the force of a great typhoon! -- Oriana takes 5 damage and is stunned.  -- Oriana is stunned. Wol fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Jun 21, 2014 |
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Jun 21, 2014 01:51
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Wolery posted:
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Jun 21, 2014 03:17
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Starting with Hikaru, yes?
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Jun 21, 2014 03:34
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Yes, yes. Faster firster.
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Jun 21, 2014 03:36
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Wind. also why doesn't he get a Heart token >
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Tollymain posted:Wind. also why doesn't he get a Heart token > Someone needs to request it for the Alt UA. Pass.
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Jun 21, 2014 04:53
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I smell a tag-in coming!
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Jun 21, 2014 05:38
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Wolery posted:
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Jun 21, 2014 05:57
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Well, I guessed incorrectly. I'm surprised you're going to let him bring Oriana down so far.
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Jun 21, 2014 06:03
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Advancing is move 1 not-optional, I want to move 1 with drive. Running circles around the evil overlady 
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Baron Fuzzlewhack posted:Well, I guessed incorrectly. I'm surprised you're going to let him bring Oriana down so far. I was anticipating a Fire ante, which would have killed Oriana before Tag could happen.
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Jun 21, 2014 06:10
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As far as I could tell, Advancing Drive with a Wind ante was a no-lose move.
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Jun 21, 2014 06:12
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Getting greedy and paying the 3 life was the mistake that will probably cost me this game.
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Jun 21, 2014 06:13
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Does this match time out at 15 or 30?
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Beat 4 Oriana Vellopholetta 2 Life Discard 1: Unstable | Grasp Discard 2: Celestial | Drive Finisher: Nihil Eraser Magic Pool: x10Iaxus the Shattered 20 Life Discard 1: Folding | Tag Discard 2: Diffuse | Grasp Finisher: Zone Eater Plane: Tidal VS. Lymn 20 Life Discard 1: Chimeric | Visions Discard 2: Maddening | Tag Hikaru Sorayama 14 Life Discard 1: Advancing | Drive Discard 2: Trance | Burst Elements: Water, Fire -- Oriana does not ante anything. -- Hikaru antes Fire.        -- Oriana places herself in the leftmost space and Hikaru in the rightmost space.  
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Jun 21, 2014 06:46
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Tollymain posted:Does this match time out at 15 or 30? Rulebook doesn't say anything about it. Let's say 30.
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Submitted.
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Same. *slowly turns to gaze at Wolery with hollow eyes*
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