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Fag Boy Jim posted:What's funny is that since the slower courts across the board have made tennis more athletic, and arguably less skill-based, you'd think it'd help the younger generation, since they had an advantage over the older players in athletic matches going back, oh, the entire history of tennis. Of course, this isn't happening, and the same generation of players are dominating despite getting older and older. The press has been complicit in pretending as if it isn't a totally different game. so they can better sell contemporary stars as the best ever, all at once.
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Isn't the argument that 'bodies respond to drugs differently' as an argument against peds somewhat disingenuous? Bodies also respond to weight lifting and running differently. The people whose bodies respond best get an unfair genetic advantage over the rest of us. So truly what's needed is gene doping to level the playing field.
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Jun 29, 2014 22:32
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Jose posted:How do the match lengths currently compare with those back when Agassi/Sampras were playing? Seems like there are tons of really long tennis matches now I can't answer that, but I really like this article as a primer for how different tennis is now than it was in that era. http://grantland.com/features/court-surfaces-golden-age-men-tennis/
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Jun 30, 2014 10:03
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Fag Boy Jim posted:I think the ability to draw out the play is much more dependent on court speed than you seem to be saying. Even a super doped Nadal probably wouldn't be able to beat, say, Boris Becker on a 90's fast hardcourt, for instance- as much as Nadal could run around all day, it wouldn't help if the court speed was fast enough that you could just volley past him. It's really hard to state how different the game is now than it used to be. Clay/Grass/Hard court were like baseball/croquet/cricket. I can't think of a good comparison. Maybe in racing, banked dirt short tracks, huge flat paved ovals, and street courses. Vando posted:But surely the ability to rely on stamina also encourages a more drawn out style of play, so the creation of players with ultra-stamina itself contributes to the issue? It's kind of like a feedback loop almost: something tips the scale towards a quality that can be leveraged by dopers, the dopers then become successful and promote the playstyle based on this quality still further, sort of thing. If I get what you're saying you mean the high stamina guys encouraged the homogenization of tennis, which encouraged more high stamina guys, which encouraged doping? That makes sense, I think we're all on the same page.
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Jul 1, 2014 05:23
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I'm not especially for doping or anything, I do believe it has a place as a mechanism for injury recovery. I don't really think contemporary athletes *need* to have their performance enhanced. It's all a very slippery slope somewhere. There are scores of people on the internet reading papers and tweaking their steroid regimens. I think this makes it a lot safer than it was in the past, if someone wants information they can get it relatively easily. But there will always be dumb kids who inject themselves with massive doses and ruin things for everyone. The gray areas are huge. And cycling is a good example of how a better doping + bribes program can break a sport. Everblight posted:Because LeBron could dope too and be even better (also both your and LeBron's hearts would explode when you turned 45.) Lyle Alzado wasn't doping in any sort of intelligent way. He was using tons of stuff in ridiculous unsafe doses. East Germany basically invented a failsafe steroid program and then exceeded it in search of results. Under medical supervision, most people can use steroids and suffer no ill affects. I'm all for gene doping and letting people become freaks in search of sport perfection.
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Jul 1, 2014 07:18
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There was a big ESPN the magazine poll of NFL players, and one of the questions was "How many players are doping" and the answer was like 25-30%. Even assuming large understatement, that means that less than half of players are doing what they consider to be illegal doping. I think it's fair to stretch that for most American team sports. Endurance sports like cycling are totally different, but there are plenty of riders who don't use anything. Even in the glory days of amphetamines in baseball, use wasn't 100%. Where is it 100%? World's Strongest Man, Mr Olympia, sports that are only about muscles. Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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Bolivar posted:Excellent OP, thanks for that and hope to read more from you as the thread goes on. The East German women's track and field records are really loving crazy, because they basically gave them chemical sex changes with testosterone.
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Jul 3, 2014 08:26
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lmaoboy1998 posted:O.K., so I'm sure you'll support banning the majority of these substances from use in competitive sports then; we're almost there Steroids, hgh, et all are used therapeutically without serious side effects. It's why they exist to be used for doping? With the right medically supervised regimen, with steroids specifically, your health is not threatened in any serious way. Steroids cause heart attacks is something from using steroids in stupid and totally illogical ways. Any drug will kill you if you take it irresponsibly.
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Jul 4, 2014 20:42
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:Steroids are actually one of the most problematic drugs we use in medicine. And yet millions of people take them without experiencing serious side effects. I'm not saying that steroids are the only drugs without problems, I'm saying that they're not the mysterious deadly class of bad boy drugs that anti ped people want them to be.
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serious gaylord posted:You're talking to a Doctor who prescribes these things on a daily basis. Thank you, I didn't catch that implication from the statement "drugs we use in medicine." If you're telling me as a way of shutting down the discussion, you'll need to try something else.
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