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ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

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Major League Baseball really hosed up by letting the anti-doping message get away from "this is really dangerous to your body and could even kill you" to "holy poo poo this stuff will make you so good at sports we would have to invalidate your statistics"

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ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

we're puttin' the band back together
Do hockey players still pop Sudafed like M&M's or did they get screwed over like the rest of us cold-havers because of *~meth~*

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

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Jordan7hm posted:

Why should only those who won the genetic lottery get to participate in sport at the highest level? Why can't an average person willing to take risks (and put in work, because doping does not mean you're putting in any less work) join them on the field?

If you aren't good enough to reach the big time, no drugs are going to put you over the top. This is why they need to be controlled and why sports leagues need to stress how dangerous they are.

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

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SAS isn't pro-doping, it's anti-bullshit. The witch hunts against Barry Bonds and Alex Rodriguez were laughable.

Bonds stands a good chance of getting his federal conviction reversed too btw

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

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stickyfngrdboy posted:

I seem to remember reading a little while ago that he'd admitted using steroids but claimed his trainer lied to him. I don't believe that could happen, personally, but who's to say for certain.

He was charged with perjury for telling a grand jury he never knowingly took steroids, and the feds lost. That's a huge deal, their conviction rates are in the high nineties. He was convicted of obstruction of justice but even that may soon be wiped out.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/02/appeals-court-to-reconsider-barry-bonds-obstruction-of-justice-conviction/

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I loved watching him but the fact his batting average increased every season made me wonder even then.

His numbers don't make sense because he's the best baseball player since Babe Ruth, if not ever.

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

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The best doping story was when some baseball player said 50% of the league was doping and then Rickey Henderson said "Well, I'm not, so maybe it's 49%."

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

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The "come on, just look at him!" fallacy is really tired at this point and has no actual science to back it up. It also ignores a lot of known factors of baseball, such as the ball itself, ballparks, pitching, strike zones, and the cyclical nature of the sport. There were boom and bust times for offense throughout the history of the sport.

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

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Oh yes, this player was too good later in his career so obviously he cheated, another fallacy with no science behind it

Hank Aaron's best home run season was at age 37

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

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You have been offered several explanations for the offensive surge in baseball at the time and instead choose to conclude that it was all because of PEDs despite there being no proof that the changes/effects they produce make you better at baseball.

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ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

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serious gaylord posted:

If PEDS were pointless is making people better at baseball. Why did they take them?

Professional athletes will try absolutely anything to gain an edge. Why do they all wear placebo garbage like those hologram bracelets or titanium necklaces? With the money at stake, anything is worth a shot.

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