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Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Kill List is a fantastic movie and I highly recommend fans of this show seek it out. I personally thought the last 20-ish minutes shat the bed somewhat though.

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ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.


Blaisedell posted:

I don't think this series was ever going to be as good as the first. In most of the first series the network's motives and leadership were still very mysterious. I think the more we learned about them the less interesting the show got, a bit like with Lost but on a much smaller scale. I still really enjoyed the second series though, it was dark, absurd and hilarious, which is everything I want in a TV show.

Anyone like the film Kill List? It has Neil Maskell (and Tyres from Spaced), and like Utopia is completely absurd, violent and brilliant, and also centred around a strange shadowy organisation. The trailer for it is a bit poo poo though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqkqF--v1tg

Yeah, Kill List is one of those really underappreciated low budget Brit-flicks that no one has ever seen. It's a shame, because it is just amazing and also batshit insane.

stickyfngrdboy
Oct 21, 2010


It's one of those films that people tell you is amazing, but it isn't. It's not bad, and it's worth at least one watch, but the last act completely ruins the whole thing.

Blaisedell
May 7, 2008



I'm not going to say Kill List is amazing, and it does start to fall apart towards the end, but I still thought it was a lot of fun and enjoyed the weird family drama beginning, the bizarre hitman movie middle, and the insane and stupid ending.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy


McDragon posted:

It sounds really strange to say this, but Utopia makes people being shot in the head look kind of pretty.
This just made me realize how visually similar this is to, of all things, Kill Bill. All the plastic yellow and blue, all the blood on clean floors.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010



Cingulate posted:

This just made me realize how visually similar this is to, of all things, Kill Bill. All the plastic yellow and blue, all the blood on clean floors.

What in the christ is your Avatar? Popper is great and all, but gently caress man

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003



I rather enjoyed the finale and Wilson Wilson just became my favorite tv baddie.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang





Seconding Wilson as a fave crook. His dilemma is believable, just trying to limit the numbers. Also he's completely insane that he can even have conversations with Ian without exploding or being struck by lightning. But still, fave bad guy ever p much.

e: also I felt really bad for Dugdale there at the end. Or like, his whole life since he got roped into this poo poo has been hell, and now it's getting worse, for the second time. gently caress, man. I feel for Dugdale.

Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Aug 17, 2014

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003



Snapchat A Titty posted:

Seconding Wilson as a fave crook. His dilemma is believable, just trying to limit the numbers. Also he's completely insane that he can even have conversations with Ian without exploding or being struck by lightning. But still, fave bad guy ever p much.

What makes him work so well for me is that from what we saw him go through, the eye torture, his decent into madness and evil for the greater good is absolutely believable. Like, I loving get it, dude went through hell and didn't come out of it even slightly the same person.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang





Rhyno posted:

What makes him work so well for me is that from what we saw him go through, the eye torture, his decent into madness and evil for the greater good is absolutely believable. Like, I loving get it, dude went through hell and didn't come out of it even slightly the same person.

Yes! And they were really emphasizing it with like "you are not yourself, this isnt really you" etc etc and then he just kills the hell outta Lee and I was like gently caress yeah but aslo like oh poo poo this is bad

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003



Snapchat A Titty posted:

Yes! And they were really emphasizing it with like "you are not yourself, this isnt really you" etc etc and then he just kills the hell outta Lee and I was like gently caress yeah but aslo like oh poo poo this is bad

The icing on the cake was that box cutter scene. My jaw just dropped, Adeel sold the gently caress out of that.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang





like cause that was his big thing, that it needed to be a necessecary kill. but now he can kill for revenge, or yeah anything basically, if he can do some hosed up math, convince himself its for the good of humanity...

e: Yes, he is a great actor, I bought that all the way

ultramiraculous
Nov 12, 2003

"No..."


Grimey Drawer

Just finished binging through the series between jobs. This show is pretty great, especially the shooting style. I mean it looks like something out of a Windows XP background or a 2008 point-and-shoot, but they really own it Everything from the costuming to the set design is there to support it. You've got Paul's crazy yellow suit this season, the kill-bags, and sometimes they literally just have bright-yellow drop cloths behind windows. I just like this feeling that everything to do with The Network has this really blown out and absurd color spectrum to it.

Darth Ronson
Jun 18, 2004

Say.. that's a nice
hat.


Snapchat A Titty posted:

Yes! And they were really emphasizing it with like "you are not yourself, this isnt really you" etc etc and then he just kills the hell outta Lee and I was like gently caress yeah but aslo like oh poo poo this is bad

Or he thought it was necessary. Despite him being in charge, Lee has given him poo poo since he replaced Milner. Lee would have kept challenging his authority, so I reckon killing him was a had to thing.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003



Darth Ronson posted:

Or he thought it was necessary. Despite him being in charge, Lee has given him poo poo since he replaced Milner. Lee would have kept challenging his authority, so I reckon killing him was a had to thing.

Partially. But the heavy emphasis on the spoon, Lee taunting him, that was mostly a revenge killing.

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007








Its both. Not only is killing Lee now a necessity, but Wilson has become the kind of person that could kill without remorse.

I really wish Lee hadn't been so antagonistic towards him. The actor that plays him has this strange charisma to him that made almost every single one of his scenes enthralling to watch.

JossiRossi
Jul 28, 2008

A little EQ, a touch of reverb, slap on some compression and there. That'll get your dickbutt jiggling.

Casting someone who seems so likable and the fact Wilson's character reflects that as well was a really good move. It's a fantastic fit.

For Wilson being the new Mr. Rabbit I wonder what direction he'll take the Network, since he clearly has at least some morals and wants to keep death tolls to the barest minimum to ensure the plan. Course he still appeared to have feelings for Becky, and with how love and emotional attachments were the big theme this season, and how they ruin everything, I wonder if that'll be his downfall.

savinhill
Mar 28, 2010


Snapchat A Titty posted:

like cause that was his big thing, that it needed to be a necessecary kill. but now he can kill for revenge, or yeah anything basically, if he can do some hosed up math, convince himself its for the good of humanity...

e: Yes, he is a great actor, I bought that all the way

Yeah, I love the actor too. He was great in that Four Lions movie even though the role wasn't that big.

Chadzok
Apr 25, 2002



The second season was severely lacking in those tense/hilarious scenes with the theme music that the first season did so well. The closest one was Wilson/Lee with gun/crowbar. I don't know what else they could do with the concept after this, all the ambigious morality characters have already switched sides multiple times and the various conspiracies/secrets don't go any deeper than we've already seen. I think they would have been better to wrap it all up this season.

I would, however, watch a full season of Arby making breakfast for people in between mass murders.

Barry Shitpeas
Dec 17, 2003

there is no need
to be upset

Winner POTM July 2013


Darth Ronson posted:

Or he thought it was necessary. Despite him being in charge, Lee has given him poo poo since he replaced Milner. Lee would have kept challenging his authority, so I reckon killing him was a had to thing.

More to the point, Lee knew that Wilson wasn't really Mr Rabbit

Metropolis
Apr 6, 2006


Koburn posted:

The last episode adds another 2 to the tally of perfect headshots performed by characters who have (probably) never fired a gun before. That brings Wilson 'no depth perception' Wilsons total up to 4.

It makes sense that a person with one eye would be a good shot. When a person goes blind, their other senses heighten to compensate. And when a person loses one eye their remaining eye becomes twice as good.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003



Metropolis posted:

It makes sense that a person with one eye would be a good shot. When a person goes blind, their other senses heighten to compensate. And when a person loses one eye their remaining eye becomes twice as good.

I'm going to cut off one of my legs which will result in me being able to run twice as fast as before.

Toilet Terror
Aug 5, 2006
Swirlie

Rhyno posted:

I'm going to cut off one of my legs which will result in me being able to run twice as fast as before.

Worked for Oscar Pistorious. Both in the speed and gunplay department.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.


stickyfngrdboy posted:

It's one of those films that people tell you is amazing, but it isn't. It's not bad, and it's worth at least one watch, but the last act completely ruins the whole thing.

Nah, I loved the ending. I have a thing for films that just go completely off the rails though (and I can't hate anything with Michael Smiley in it). The big reveal where he brutally murders the poo poo out of his family by accident was just superb and bleak on The Mist levels. Also, the sheer brutality of the scenes where they discover the child porn ring and 'deal with' the guy involved with it was impressive as hell.

Rhyno posted:

I rather enjoyed the finale and Wilson Wilson just became my favorite tv baddie.

I don't even consider him a baddie, really. Which I guess makes him a really loving good antagonist.

stickyfngrdboy
Oct 21, 2010


ThomasPaine posted:

Nah, I loved the ending. I have a thing for films that just go completely off the rails though (and I can't hate anything with Michael Smiley in it). The big reveal where he brutally murders the poo poo out of his family by accident was just superb and bleak on The Mist levels. Also, the sheer brutality of the scenes where they discover the child porn ring and 'deal with' the guy involved with it was impressive as hell.


I don't even consider him a baddie, really. Which I guess makes him a really loving good antagonist.

He didn't murder his family, he murdered his son. His wife was in on it . At least, that's how I remember it. Idk it was rubbish. Arby fella was good in it though.

feld
Feb 11, 2008

Out of nowhere its.....

Feldman



Just finishing up series 1. This is so well produced.

The Cosby Mysteries
Oct 4, 2007

Happy Birthday, Mr. President

loving :laffo: that Donaldson chase scene is probably one of my favourite of all time. The way the gun flies out of his hand AND chain gang buddy has a freaking heart attack while he was trying to escape had me in tears. Gutted to see him go out to little fanfare next episode after.

I'm a respected scientist!

....No you're not!

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013


Darth Ronson posted:

Or he thought it was necessary. Despite him being in charge, Lee has given him poo poo since he replaced Milner. Lee would have kept challenging his authority, so I reckon killing him was a had to thing.

I think the point of the scene was much more that Wilson was capable of killing outside of necessity. Arguably Lee was the best 'fixer' The Network had left.

Speaking of the finale I was terrified the whole way through that Pietre was going to be killed. Especially at the end when the SWAT burst in

PriorMarcus
Oct 16, 2008

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I guess it's looking likely we won't get a series three.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013


PriorMarcus posted:

I guess it's looking likely we won't get a series three.

How come? Were viewing figures poor?

PriorMarcus
Oct 16, 2008

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EmmyOk posted:

How come? Were viewing figures poor?

I would've expected an announcement already.

Monagle
May 7, 2007
Wonka Wash spelled backwards.

PriorMarcus posted:

I would've expected an announcement already.

Wasn't season 2 announced a long time after season 1?

tdrules
Jan 12, 2014


David Fincher briefly mentions Utopia in Saturday's Guardian. I think this is the online equivalent.

PriorMarcus
Oct 16, 2008

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tdrules posted:

David Fincher briefly mentions Utopia in Saturday's Guardian. I think this is the online equivalent.

Holy poo poo, he's going to direct every episode of it.

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013


Monagle posted:

Wasn't season 2 announced a long time after season 1?

Almost 4 months afterwards I think.

Tuxedo Jack
Sep 11, 2001

Hey Ma, who's that band I like? Oh yeah, Hall & Oates.


Why is the US version being labeled a "Supernatural Thriller?" - we just binged both UK series, and this show doesn't strike me as particularly supernatural in the strictest sense of the word...

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang


It's not supernatural at all. It's scifi. Maybe Arbie is going to be a sparkly vampire in the US version. That would be par for the course.

hcreight
Mar 19, 2007

My name is Oliver Queen...


It's a conspiracy thriller, not a supernatural thriller.

One Swell Foop
Aug 5, 2010

I'm afraid we have no time for codes and manners.

Initially I honestly thought it was a supernatural thriller. Maybe watching it with the one-week gap in between episodes was a factor, as there was a longer period where I was wondering what the hell was going on. There's the suggestion of genetic manipulation, the future-prediction in the comic, and the general sense of... otherness? Also, it's not yet clear whether Arby and Jessica get their.. abilities and/or predispositions from their upbringing or from the genetic testing. It's true that that's more sci-fi than supernatural, but they're on the same continuum.

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Chris!
Dec 1, 2004

E

This just got posted to the official Channel 4 Utopia Facebook page:

quote:

We’re sorry to confirm that there won’t be a third series of #utopia.

A huge thank you to the fans of the show: we've loved how much you loved it.

We are so sad to say goodbye, but we'll always have that spoon.

It's a shame, as I think it had one more series in it, but I still consider it one of the best British shows in a long time.

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