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serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
'Follow this.'

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paddyboat
Feb 20, 2013

Maxi, Maxi Rodriguez
Run down the wing for me
Thibot is dead rip

HappyCamperGL
May 18, 2014

Nibali is good.

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

Lol at the contrast between Nibali (high fiving spectators, having a good time) and Alaphilippe (practically keeling over). Man, this was a pretty good race.

paddyboat
Feb 20, 2013

Maxi, Maxi Rodriguez
Run down the wing for me
That was good, I'd never really watched the whole thing before :discourse:

Development
Jun 2, 2016

christ the replay of de plus,

https://www.instagram.com/p/BZ86CvXBGkQ/

paddyboat
Feb 20, 2013

Maxi, Maxi Rodriguez
Run down the wing for me
Paris Tours: Trentin and Terpstra are away with some Giant rider and I can't wait to see how they screw it up

paddyboat
Feb 20, 2013

Maxi, Maxi Rodriguez
Run down the wing for me
Trentin gave the Sunweb guy his best leadout but ultimately won anyway

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

They just presented next year's route for the TdF and I gotta say, on paper it looks incredible:

https://twitter.com/LeTour/status/920231124839878657

https://twitter.com/LeTour/status/920233648628097024

https://twitter.com/LeTour/status/920234514437337088

https://twitter.com/LeTour/status/920235015614685184

https://twitter.com/LeTour/status/920235148020469760

https://twitter.com/LeTour/status/920235528670281728

https://twitter.com/LeTour/status/920235918501580800

https://twitter.com/LeTour/status/920237036753342465

:siren: :siren: :siren: :

https://twitter.com/LeTour/status/920237852910407680

https://twitter.com/LeTour/status/920238396630552577

So, Paris-Roubaix, a couple of new cols, one of which has 2 unpaved kms, two short mountain stages (one is 65 km!!!!), a miniature LBL (this is supposed to sound appealing) and a chunky ITT. I mean, Froome's gonna win this but at least it might be entertaining

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

Lmao Nairo is already lowering expectations

https://twitter.com/Movistar_Team/status/920244722593124354

HappyCamperGL
May 18, 2014

Only 31k ITT is the entire race. The gently caress is this bullshit?

Edit - With teams of 8 next year, is it still the fifth rider who gets the time in the TTT?

HappyCamperGL fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Oct 17, 2017

Just-In-Timeberlake
Aug 18, 2003

Smirr posted:

They just presented next year's route for the TdF and I gotta say, on paper it looks incredible:



So, Paris-Roubaix, a couple of new cols, one of which has 2 unpaved kms, two short mountain stages (one is 65 km!!!!), a miniature LBL (this is supposed to sound appealing) and a chunky ITT. I mean, Froome's gonna win this but at least it might be entertaining

hopefully they've gotten rid of all the pea gravel/tar on Col du Pre by then, I wanted to murder someone when I rode it this summer.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Wanna see Froome in yellow ninja garb land a bullseye with a throwing star?
https://twitter.com/saitamacrite/status/926348286193106945

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!




Phil Gaimon reckons Cancellara done a cheat

http://www.cyclist.co.uk/news/3655/former-pro-phil-gaimon-accuses-fabian-cancellara-of-motor-doping-in-new-book

vikingstrike
Sep 23, 2007

whats happening, captain

He's also critical of many others in the book, too. For example, he takes a pretty cynical reading of Jens' career.

waffle enthusiast
Nov 16, 2007



I have a lot of trouble getting a read on Gaimon. He can come across as kind of a jerk at times, at least watching Worst Retirement Ever. But he still strikes me as a straight shooter.

Sounds like the book is worth a read though?

Come to think of it, any other must-reads in cycling canon?

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!




https://youtu.be/z6z7uUe0tVA

I mean it is almost as if he flicks a switch to be fair..

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Dangerllama posted:

I have a lot of trouble getting a read on Gaimon. He can come across as kind of a jerk at times, at least watching Worst Retirement Ever. But he still strikes me as a straight shooter.

That's a correct read. I don't think Phil has any better Intel than we do on Canc besides the teammate thing, which honestly is naming your source, but the fact that he's willing to call it out says how he thinks.

Havana Affair
Apr 6, 2009

Dangerllama posted:

Come to think of it, any other must-reads in cycling canon?

I recently binged William Fotheringham's books on Merckx and Hinault. Both were entertaining and light reads giving a general view of their careers and what drove them. I enjoyed Charly Wegelius' Domestique a lot, it's about what pro cycling is for 99% of the peloton and he retires in 2011 so it's fairly modern. The twist is that he never won a race as pro. Also a very light read.

Paul Fournel's Anquetil Alone is a different take on the cycling biography as it's a more literary work and it's more about his relationship with Anquetil as a fan. My favorite of the lot. It's a more in depth view of what makes a cyclist great to the public - it's not just winning a lot. Lots of rule 5 bits of tting. Also Anquetil was quite the character even off the bike.

vikingstrike
Sep 23, 2007

whats happening, captain
I"m almost done with Draft Animals, and I've enjoyed it. He can be arrogant, but I mean, this is professional cycling. He also came from southeastern stomping grounds, which makes me a fan. That and his love of cookies.

vikingstrike
Sep 23, 2007

whats happening, captain

kimbo305 posted:

That's a correct read. I don't think Phil has any better Intel than we do on Canc besides the teammate thing, which honestly is naming your source, but the fact that he's willing to call it out says how he thinks.

I mean, sure he could be wrong in his accusation, but you don't think someone who was literally around professional cyclists would have a better read on the situation than you did reading CyclingNews and VeloNews?

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

vikingstrike posted:

I mean, sure he could be wrong in his accusation, but you don't think someone who was literally around professional cyclists would have a better read on the situation than you did reading CyclingNews and VeloNews?

Afaict, besides the team rumors/claims (which are very strong), he's only going on videos that we've also seen, like that excellent Loose Change style docu breaking down all of Canc's suspect attacks.
The whole not being able to keep up cadence with the motor seems inconsistent with the capabilities of an assist motor. A small seat tube motor couldn't be more than 200W, and if the motor was doing all of the work in a high gear, it beggars belief that even a tired pro couldn't soft pedal enough to keep up.

Pocket
Aug 27, 2006

There's also the possibility of Boonen being off his game after a long night railing beak at a 16yr old's birthday party.


Essential pro cycling reading: Breaking the Chain

waffle enthusiast
Nov 16, 2007



Three pages in and he’s already lamenting dopers on the Continental circuit. I’m gonna like this book.

African AIDS cum
Feb 29, 2012


Welcome back, welcome back, welcome baaaack

vikingstrike posted:

I mean, sure he could be wrong in his accusation, but you don't think someone who was literally around professional cyclists would have a better read on the situation than you did reading CyclingNews and VeloNews?

Why is everyone putting "I mean" at the beginning of their posts now. Anyone else annoyed by this? it doesn't alter the meaning at all. Just a weird tic.

vikingstrike
Sep 23, 2007

whats happening, captain

African AIDS cum posted:

Why is everyone putting "I mean" at the beginning of their posts now. Anyone else annoyed by this? it doesn't alter the meaning at all. Just a weird tic.

Why do people say "um" when they talk? I'll be sure to be in tip top shape when posting on the Something Awful message boards from now on.

(I didn't realize I was typing it, I guess it was more casual speech in my head. I also had no idea this was a thing on SA now. I really don't venture out of like 6 threads.)

vikingstrike fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Nov 10, 2017

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!




And now the UCI are saying they might investigate the claims

Good luck with that then

djssniper
Jan 10, 2003


African AIDS cum posted:

Why is everyone putting "I mean" at the beginning of their posts now. Anyone else annoyed by this? it doesn't alter the meaning at all. Just a weird tic.

It's cyclings version of motorsports 'For sure'

waffle enthusiast
Nov 16, 2007



African AIDS cum posted:

Why is everyone putting "I mean" at the beginning of their posts now. Anyone else annoyed by this? it doesn't alter the meaning at all. Just a weird tic.

It's known as easing.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

African AIDS cum posted:

Why is everyone putting "I mean" at the beginning of their posts now. Anyone else annoyed by this? it doesn't alter the meaning at all. Just a weird tic.

African AIDS cum
Feb 29, 2012


Welcome back, welcome back, welcome baaaack

Dangerllama posted:

It's known as easing.
It's some huge fail for sure.

I had this guy as a professor in college.

vikingstrike posted:

Why do people say "um" when they talk? I'll be sure to be in tip top shape when posting on the Something Awful message boards from now on.

(I didn't realize I was typing it, I guess it was more casual speech in my head. I also had no idea this was a thing on SA now. I really don't venture out of like 6 threads.)

Yeah no offense I just all of a sudden noticed it everywhere and had to rant

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
I didn't take Gaimon to be outright accusing Cancellara in his book, just that he meant that 'sure it probably happened back then and here's an example of how, but people caught on to it quick so its a gigantic red herring and anyone doing it now would be stupid as its so easy to get caught.'

waffle enthusiast
Nov 16, 2007



serious gaylord posted:

I didn't take Gaimon to be outright accusing Cancellara in his book, just that he meant that 'sure it probably happened back then and here's an example of how, but people caught on to it quick so its a gigantic red herring and anyone doing it now would be stupid as its so easy to get caught.'

The tone of his book is "yeah, everyone doped. so there you go." But, I'm not sure he could issue a stronger indictment against Cancellara

Phil Gaimon posted:

In the Operacíon Puerto scandal, I'm pretty sure that blood bags code-named "Luigi" belonged to Cancellara

Then he goes on about the motor stuff, which seemed very accusatory as well. I'm half way through and the Jens stuff makes me sad, though not surprised. Also, remind me never to confide anything to Phil Gaimon.

vikingstrike
Sep 23, 2007

whats happening, captain
Later in the book he reveals that Luigi wasn’t Cancellara. It was Thomas Dekker. At least I think I’m remembering that footnote correctly.

waffle enthusiast
Nov 16, 2007



So many footnotes*

vikingstrike
Sep 23, 2007

whats happening, captain

Dangerllama posted:

So many footnotes*

Reading on the Kindle made that aspect not too bad. Maybe he's read too much David Foster Wallace

Pocket
Aug 27, 2006

vikingstrike posted:

Later in the book he reveals that Luigi wasn't Cancellara. It was Thomas Dekker. At least I think I'm remembering that footnote correctly.

Not the first time I've heard that rumour.

That said Canc is not a happy bunny about the book.

Withnail
Feb 11, 2004
Has Sagan weighed in on the motor nonsense, at least he was there in person

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man

Withnail posted:

Has Sagan weighed in on the motor nonsense, at least he was there in person

Even with the lovely UCI test protocol, I doubt Sagan or anyone other active pro would dare suggest motor-doping takes place at the World Tour level.

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serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

Pocket posted:

Not the first time I've heard that rumour.

That said Canc is not a happy bunny about the book.

https://twitter.com/f_cancellara/status/931557302657798145

This is all a bit surreal.

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