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bara godzilla
Jul 27, 2010



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Jul 27, 2010



Canned Bread posted:

the Jag in team fortress 2. in fact I collect them and proudly display them in my item showcase for all to enjoy.



if you're not using the gunslinger then the jag is the best wrench option hth

bara godzilla
Jul 27, 2010



i could make a case for the jag but honestly tf2 is too poo poo of a game for anyone to care about this line of discussion tbh

bara godzilla
Jul 27, 2010



Pirate Jet posted:

someone did the math and figured out that it only saves like .2 seconds to build a sentry with it compared to the regular wrench

the point is that despite .2s being only a marginal difference, it's better to have than a little extra damage on a melee weapon that you should only be using to manage your buildings

bara godzilla
Jul 27, 2010



Soral posted:

actually the wrench with the bleed damage is good because it can help you track cloaked spies, aka your #1 threat other than like ubered demos or soldiers or whatever. its extremely situationally useful but is much better than increasing your build speed by a literally imperceptable amount of time


this post is the most i have thought or cared about tf2 in over a year

If a spy is cloaked, he is not a threat to the point where you'd need to swing a spiky wrench around in hopes that you get lucky and manage to hit him. You can literally sit by your sentry and wait; once he decloaks, you can 2-shot him with any given engineer primary before the decloak animation even ends. alternatively, if he placed a sapper on your sentry and then immediately cloaked, he just accomplished literally nothing at all and you can go back to the "wait for him to decloak" method.

though all of this depends on a pure 1v1 interaction where your teammates aren't there to assist you anyway, so it's basically not even worth discussing. that being said i honestly think the jag and the SH are basically balanced with each-other, both of them with only marginal upsides that are only ever relevant like once a month. but i guess that's one of the challenges to designing unlocks for a class that can completely alter the flow of a game single-handedly.

bara godzilla
Jul 27, 2010



Fergus Mac Roich posted:

Wow tf2s weapon balance must be really lovely

would you actually believe it used to be worse

bara godzilla
Jul 27, 2010



i remember when the bulkiest class in the game could instantly heal half his max hp at any given time with minimal interruption

bara godzilla
Jul 27, 2010



Soral posted:

ironically with the advent of the bullshit quickswitch gun and the replay feature automatically exporting sick reflect kills directly onto youtube, no ability to airblast would be seen as crippling if it were reintroduced now

the best part about the degreaser is that it has this strong, almost sexual following to it and i'm 99% sure it's all based on the flashiness of it. like back when the backburner first got the +10% damage buff over the other flamethrowers, it became the Secret Good flamethrower, but people refused to use it because the airblast was "too useful to give up". then the backburner got airblast and the argument swiftly changed to "uh, well, uh its still bad" because people are too afraid to swallow their pride for 2 seconds and admit that the dreaded w+m1 might be more effective than lighting someone, airblasting them 4 times into a wall and then missing their axe

fast forward to today where they actually nerfed the axtinguisher so hard that it's literally useless, thereby removing the potency of the degreaser and there are still plenty of pyro mains who insist that the most complicated way to play the class must obviously be the best

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Jul 27, 2010



Buschmaki posted:

The pepper-spray paintball gun in Swat 4 was great in multiplayer to annoy the poo poo out of the other team.

swat 4 loving owned and this paintball gun owned the hardest

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