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I see a lot of advice around here for hard up liberal arts majors to go officer. Aside from how realistic that is, wouldn't most of them end up SWO?
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Jul 28, 2014 02:21
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Grumpicat posted:I see a lot of advice around here for hard up liberal arts majors to go officer. Aside from how realistic that is, wouldn't most of them end up SWO? My roommate out in Hawaii had a degree in music and actually taught jr high band while another good friend's was in sports marketing. Both SWOs. I also have a friend that didn't technically finish his degree, but somehow still commissioned and served 2 and a half years as a SWO before getting medboarded with PTSD. I think he did actually complete his degree before he put on O-2, but still 
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Jul 28, 2014 02:41
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Boon posted:So I am at the point where I am sitting down to write essays and such for an MBA application package and I'm completely loving lost since I have no idea where to begin on these essay questions about the field that I'm looking to get into (Healthcare Administration/Management). I did. I never worked in admin but I knew a LT who worked there on a first-name basis. He got a dual MBA/MPH from an Ivy League school specializing in humanitarian aid logistics and the officer recruiter told him he could totally do that in the Navy. Then after OIS they put him in a podunk MTF where his job was preparing powerpoint slides based on data from a 1980s unix shell program that can't even save a text document, you have to do this weird print spooler thing. Anyways, I helped him make a spreadsheet once and I pointed out that the linear regression on the graph had an r^2 value of something absurd like .30, and he just shrugged and said "yeah nobody knows the difference they just want to see if the number went up or down this month." Dude was wicked smart and super cool and the level of mouthbreathing retards that ran the place just broke his spirit. I think he got to go on a Comfort/Mercy cruise after I got out though, so hopefully he's at least floating around somewhere pretending like he's getting to do what he thought he was going to get to do. I felt so bad for the guy. EDIT: What exactly were you looking to find out?
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Jul 28, 2014 02:44
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Generally, just looking for impressions on individuals who have filled that role. Specifically: - What kind of position I'd fill - What entry level is like (and what promotion status is like) - What the job entails and who I'd report too - How the experience would translate in the civilian sector Obviously, most of those are unanswerable if you're not directly tied to it, but the Navy website is of course not very helpful. Also, I'm currently an O3 and will probably do Reserves while finishing my MBA with the potential to put on O4 in that period. So I have no idea how they would handle that situation with a lat transfer to the Medical Corps... Boon fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Jul 28, 2014 |
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Jul 28, 2014 02:58
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God drat I'd be a LT if I was still in.
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Jul 28, 2014 03:05
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Mr. Nice! posted:God drat I'd be a LT if I was still in. There's nothing quite so frightening as seeing your classmates with scrambled eggs on facebook.
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Jul 28, 2014 03:50
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Boon posted:Generally, just looking for impressions on individuals who have filled that role. Specifically: Well, technically you'd be in the Medical Service Corps, not the Medical Corps. Almost all the healthcare admin people work under the DFA, which I'm 95% sure stands for Director for Administration, who is a senior MSC-HCA (O5 in both hospitals I worked at). Promotion is very good for Healthcare Admin folks (every DFA I can remember made O6 and got an XO/CO tour elsewhere), as they are in a group with all the random non-doctor, non-nurse jobs (PA, Optometrist, Pharmacist, Social Workers, etc), who all have very specific patient-oriented jobs that generally prevent them from getting the same kind of command-level positions that HCA people get. Generally everybody else gets screwed on trying to compete on evals with a guy that runs the business side of the hospital, when their eval is pretty much just "I did my job and saw some patients" and the HCAs can write about all the command-level initiatives they started and how much monopoly-money they saved/made for the hospital. Because of the job description for HCAs, they generally get a pile of random administration collaterals as well (command legal officer, etc), since their schedule is less "see a patient every twenty minutes" and more "get this job done" giving them more flexibility in the command to take on those sorts of roles. In the two commands I was at (both small and fairly isolated), they were generally one of two or three at the command in their designator, which combined with what they actually did to make them fairly high profile. As far as I've ever seen, they have excellent marketability in the civilian sector when they get out. Entry level is more or less running the business side of the house for the hospital (dealing with tricare business issues, GS and contract employee management/supervision, etc). Often times due to their role, they seem to end up as the semi-official laison between the command suite and the civilian employees of the hospital. During a gapped billet I've seen an O3 sitting on the executive steering committee, which for any other corps/designator (Nursing, MD, etc) would be O5 at minimum and O6 more likely. Feel free to PM me any additional questions. If I don't know, I can always ask. I'm still facebook friends with a few.
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Jul 28, 2014 04:05
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I deal with those types on occasion in civilian hospitals, and it's pretty similar. The one major exception is that doctor retention/recruitment is a huge deal that everybody in the admin side of the house gets to deal with daily. It's not as bad at smaller hospitals, but when you start getting into trauma rated and major orthopedic hospitals the egos get out of control. The plus side, at least from what I can tell, is that if you can avoid getting fire, it seems like it is pretty easy to move up the ladder. One particular hospital I know of has a 40 year old CEO and a 35 year old CFO. Also, I did some work for a guy that did business management stuff for a lot of small surgery centers as a contractor. He would show up once or twice a week and tell them how to spend their money, he didn't seem like he had a clue, but they paid him enough to fly first class from TX to CO whenever they needed him on site. If sitting in a hospital all day makes you want to blow your brains out most any vendor would be happy to hire you, they love guys who know how to sit in a boardroom and do doctor speak without dropping F bombs every two seconds.
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Jul 28, 2014 05:06
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Is it as stupid easy as it seems to get into human resources as a lat transfer noble? The last board results I saw had them open to YG02-12 which is kind of ridiculous.
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Jul 28, 2014 06:30
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Was on a DDG today with a bunch of midshipmen. They looked so eager to help. If only they could see the  that awaits them.
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Jul 28, 2014 07:43
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Grumpicat posted:I see a lot of advice around here for hard up liberal arts majors to go officer. Aside from how realistic that is, wouldn't most of them end up SWO? Degrees held by people I personally know in aviation (pilot or NFO): History, Political Science, Economics, English. I will caveat that I don't have any experience with recruiting or the officer accessions pipeline (other than going through it), but I seriously have never heard of the type of degree making a difference for most* communities. In fact, there's an (apocryphal) notion that people with aerospace degrees actually have a tougher time in early flight school because they're not really teaching/testing for true aeronautical knowledge, just that you can study and remember what you're taught. (that being said, most guys with Aero degrees do just fine provided they're not shitbags) *exceptions being Nukes, and maybe IW or some other weird ones Ron Jeremy posted:There's nothing quite so frightening as seeing your classmates with scrambled eggs on facebook. There's a contractor/reservist O-3 who works on our avionics software and was an instructor for our current department heads / a contemporary of our current crop of COs/XOs. Cool as poo poo, though a weird combination of "laid back LT" and "O-5 era experience".
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Jul 28, 2014 11:40
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Degrees held by people I personally know in aviation (pilot or NFO): History, Political Science, Economics, English. I will caveat that I don't have any experience with recruiting or the officer accessions pipeline (other than going through it), but I seriously have never heard of the type of degree making a difference for most* communities. In fact, there's an (apocryphal) notion that people with aerospace degrees actually have a tougher time in early flight school because they're not really teaching/testing for true aeronautical knowledge, just that you can study and remember what you're taught. (that being said, most guys with Aero degrees do just fine provided they're not shitbags) Ah, that's cool. I bring it up because I ended up enlisting with a degree for a variety of not-so-good reasons but it's working out pretty well for me. I'd rather be a NFO or the rate I wanted but I wouldn't pick SWO over my job. A friend of mine enlisted after college and did exceptionally well afterwards, and I hear really good things about some of the CT rates. I don't know much about CTN but it sounds like you can transition really well into the civilian world from it. Grumpicat fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Jul 28, 2014 |
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Jul 28, 2014 14:44
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DinosaurWarfare posted:Is it as stupid easy as it seems to get into human resources as a lat transfer noble? The last board results I saw had them open to YG02-12 which is kind of ridiculous. It's generally as "easy" as it is to get into any other relatively open restricted line community. That's to say, the lat transfer board makes plenty of selections every time, but they get such a mountain of applications that it's still a competition. I would expect to put in two or three applications to the board, at least, prior to getting picked up even with a decent record.
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Jul 28, 2014 15:34
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QuietWilds/Bengy81, Thanks for the background here, that is immensely helpful. It sounds like a pretty solid route to at least begin a career and I will definitely be exploring this option.
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Jul 28, 2014 19:02
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orange juche posted:It doesn't matter, CTN is wide open and starved for warm bodies, so if you qualify for it, you should be able to get it no matter the time of month. I lurk GiP every now and then. It still blows my mind the only reason I am not in the Navy right now is because I read one letter wrong at MEPS. CTN requires vision correctable to 20/20 (because pixels are so hard to see!). At MEPS I was corrected to 20/25. (They also DQ'ed me for allegedly having one testicle, but that was fixed...) Anyway, my detailer showed me the 6 CTN slots he had, but he was not allowed to give me without a waiver. The guy responsible for the waiver, who I think was in TN, came back and said no. That was even with a review from my optometrist saying I was correctable to 20/20...before I went to MEPS. The waiver guy said only 100% qualified people were allowed and I could have cried to my optometrist. So, don't forget you need vision correctable to 20/20! Not 20/25. It's gotta be 20/20. Only the best. And no, the detailer will not take your optometrist's record stating you have 20/20. Why? Because gently caress you that's why. To the guy that asked: If you can't get in through military, try civilian.
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Jul 28, 2014 19:26
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Degrees held by people I personally know in aviation (pilot or NFO): History, Political Science, Economics, English. I will caveat that I don't have any experience with recruiting or the officer accessions pipeline (other than going through it), but I seriously have never heard of the type of degree making a difference for most* communities. In fact, there's an (apocryphal) notion that people with aerospace degrees actually have a tougher time in early flight school because they're not really teaching/testing for true aeronautical knowledge, just that you can study and remember what you're taught. (that being said, most guys with Aero degrees do just fine provided they're not shitbags) Major doesn't matter for nukes either. Poli Sci, Communications, Astronomy, Music, Business, Forestry Management, all on my submarine within the last couple years. As long as your GPA is good in whatever bullshit major you pick and you can swing a B in a couple calculus and physics classes you're golden. If you ask me the nuclear navy needs *more* liberal arts majors.
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Jul 29, 2014 02:15
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Cerekk posted:Major doesn't matter for nukes either. Poli Sci, Communications, Astronomy, Music, Business, Forestry Management, all on my submarine within the last couple years. As long as your GPA is good in whatever bullshit major you pick and you can swing a B in a couple calculus and physics classes you're golden. There were a lot of majors when I went to interview in DC. The admiral really did ream the Poly Sci guy though, he made it through, but then refused to sign the paperwork. For the NUPOC program, if you have a technical major (comp sci doesn't count iterestingly) you can come in with 2 years or less to graduate otherwise 1 year. That's the only time the major matters.
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Jul 29, 2014 03:04
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Cerekk posted:Major doesn't matter for nukes either. Well poo poo, for some reason I thought nukes were special. So yeah, it really, really doesn't matter.
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Jul 29, 2014 12:09
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Don't forget, there's still the Cyber Warfare Engineer program as well that launched 2-3 years ago. It's CTN work, at an officer rate, without any of that leadership bullshit to worry about.
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Jul 29, 2014 16:30
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Vriess posted:Don't forget, there's still the Cyber Warfare Engineer program as well that launched 2-3 years ago. It's CTN work, at an officer rate, without any of that leadership bullshit to worry about. Be aware, however, it's only a six year career plan. After that, you either get out, or lat transfer to another IDC career field.
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Jul 29, 2014 16:37
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It's the anniversary of the Forrestal fire. Do they still make you watch that movie about it in boot?
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Jul 29, 2014 22:51
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We were sitting in Dahlgren for a dumb c-school graduation and the IC3 in charge of the projector played the first 10 mins of the Forestall video for an auditorium full of parents and grandparents. Definitely one of the most WTF moments I remember from the navy.
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Jul 30, 2014 00:19
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bengy81 posted:We were sitting in Dahlgren for a dumb c-school graduation and the IC3 in charge of the projector played the first 10 mins of the Forestall video for an auditorium full of parents and grandparents. Definitely one of the most WTF moments I remember from the navy. lol sick troll
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Jul 30, 2014 00:37
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Madurai posted:It's the anniversary of the Forrestal fire. Do they still make you watch that movie about it in boot? They showed it to us in sub school right before we did the firefighting training in full gear.
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Jul 30, 2014 01:37
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Zarc posted:They showed it to us in sub school right before we did the firefighting training in full gear. What rate are/were you
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Jul 30, 2014 01:57
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Are CPO results supposed to come out today?
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Jul 30, 2014 14:23
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Sir Lucius posted:Are CPO results supposed to come out today? I heard Command Triad gets them today, notification of non-selects tomorrow, and then the NAVADMIN is supposed to be out Friday.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:01
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Schlabbalabba posted:What rate are/were you I was an officer. Served on the USS Kentucky SSBN 737 Blue Crew (typo'd the first time) Zarc fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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Jul 31, 2014 02:52
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My command has a chief on restriction because he didn't go to FEP. Welp
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Jul 31, 2014 16:50
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Sir Lucius posted:My command has a chief on restriction because he didn't go to FEP. Welp Awesome. In one of my old squadrons we put our line shack chief on restriction for sexually harassing two of the female plane captains.
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Jul 31, 2014 17:03
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Haha holy poo poo one of my co-workers had liquor in his room (not supposed to, everyone does, no one cares, he apparently didn't know) and there was a health and comfort. He lost his orders to Naples, got NJP'd, got extended here, and is now needs of the Navy lol Welp that's my story We had a guy on deployment from Rota, Spain that only chose those orders for the COLA and had never left the base 
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Jul 31, 2014 18:19
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Christoff posted:We had a guy on deployment from Rota, Spain that only chose those orders for the COLA and had never left the base That's about the worse thing ever for someone stationed OCONUS.
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Jul 31, 2014 18:50
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Sir Lucius posted:My command has a chief on restriction because he didn't go to FEP. Welp I've never seen a chief on FEP. Pics or it didn't happen.
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Aug 1, 2014 01:06
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Must be one of those rare chiefs that get outcasted from THE GOAT LOCKER
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Aug 1, 2014 01:14
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Christoff posted:Haha holy poo poo one of my co-workers had liquor in his room (not supposed to, everyone does, no one cares, he apparently didn't know) and there was a health and comfort. He lost his orders to Naples, got NJP'd, got extended here, and is now needs of the Navy lol drat, lmao. My LPO went everywhere while he was in Naples, even got a hard on for Scotland and Scottish culture rhat he has a formal kilt he wears whenever we go out to celebrate poo poo.
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Aug 1, 2014 01:33
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I'm so jealous of Euro Navy dudes. All my friends there are posting poo poo in a different country every weekend I know one dude who has managed to swing 4 years in loving Rota. Bastard
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Aug 1, 2014 01:45
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Seqenenra posted:I've never seen a chief on FEP. Pics or it didn't happen. This is an intel command. No one isn't fat.
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Aug 1, 2014 02:40
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Sir Lucius posted:This is an intel command. No one isn't fat. Jeez, tell me about it. I'm unit CFL because I'm the only one who can score high enough. Last cycle I had 6 failures, half of them nobles.
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Aug 1, 2014 02:53
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One of my former department heads was adsepped because of failing the weigh ins. He passed the physical portion but could never pass the tape. He was a fat gently caress, though. Got a decent severance, got to keep his swocp, finish out his second department head tour, and transfer into the reserves. One of the commodores would randomly show up on ships with his CFL and start weighing in khakis. It was awesome to see certain people sweat. Pissed off the captain to no end, but that was mainly because it was dropped on him without warning.
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Aug 1, 2014 04:15
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That sounds like a real winner, going around and loving commands out of their systems experts and wizened old hands because they didn't fit the 21st Century Navy's idea of body image (We've all posted before about how you can't have fat fucks on board that you have to haul out of casualty spaces, but that's not what poo poo like a rope and choke catches)
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Aug 1, 2014 04:19
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