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t a s t e
Sep 6, 2010


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Itís a superficial take about colorism within the black community filtered through her own frustrations about not getting a date

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Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008






t a s t e posted:

Itís a superficial take about colorism within the black community filtered through her own frustrations about not getting a date

ooh okay, this helps it make more sense, thank you. i don't think i ever knew the term "colourism" although i knew it existed.

more to read up on though, so thank you again!

KVeezy3
Aug 18, 2005



t a s t e posted:

Itís a superficial take about colorism within the black community filtered through her own frustrations about not getting a date

I would hardly call it superficial; or at least as any more superficial than the idea of race itself. The idea that lighter-skinned blacks are more conventionally beautiful is a tale as old and hosed up as white supremacy itself.

KVeezy3 fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Jul 26, 2020

t a s t e
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KVeezy3 posted:

I would hardly call it superficial; or at least as any more superficial than the idea of race itself. The idea that lighter-skinned blacks are more conventionally beautiful is a tale as old and hosed up as white supremacy itself.

To be more precise itís a superficial take because itís a scoldy gotcha thatís clearly coming from personal beef

I donít mean to convey the concept is without value in discussion

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008






Taco Defender

talib kweli is a stupid idiot who broke his brain on Twitter and is like 6 months into an ongoing meltdown

Kenshin
Jan 10, 2007


t a s t e posted:

To be more precise itís a superficial take because itís a scoldy gotcha thatís clearly coming from personal beef

I donít mean to convey the concept is without value in discussion
It's also one thing to point it out as a trend (not as in a fashion trend, but as in a statistical trend) with regards to colorism and social judgments of beauty and quite another to name names, as if any individual person should be shamed for the color of the skin of the person who they love.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004




Grimey Drawer

r/yandhileaks leaked an early copy of MBDTF

teacup
Dec 20, 2006

Who would win in a fight? Taylor Swift or Daryl Somers?

Escobarbarian posted:

r/yandhileaks leaked an early copy of MBDTF

What do you mean like changed from what he released?

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Itís just an in-progress version sent to Hype Williams (perhaps for inspiration while writing the Runaway short film?). Some parts are different such as the intro to Dark Fantasy, other parts are obv just temp tracks, early solo versions of Thatís My Bitch and The Joy are on it, thereís three new tracks but none of them have any vocals, Lost in the World is 8 minutes long. Itís not essential listening or anything but itís quite interesting

teacup
Dec 20, 2006

Who would win in a fight? Taylor Swift or Daryl Somers?

I love the MBDTF / watch the throne / cruel summer into yeezus era Kanye

Is there any good places to get decent versions of his GOOD Friday releases? Especially the remix of power with jay on it

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008






Kenshin posted:

It's also one thing to point it out as a trend (not as in a fashion trend, but as in a statistical trend) with regards to colorism and social judgments of beauty and quite another to name names, as if any individual person should be shamed for the color of the skin of the person who they love.

Ahhhh that hits spot on with what I was trying to reason out, thank you

Her tweet also wasn't even meant to start a discussion of it, like somebody above says I think it's just a gotcha cause she's like "but this is a discussion for another time" - so then you're just trying to point fingers at specific people regarding who they marry and that you think it's hosed up, and don't expect anyone to say what the gently caress?

thanks y'all for engaging with me on this, def helpful to me and gives me a lot more poo poo to look into and think hard on

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

I been ballin' so damn hard I swear I think that I'm Coby


On the other hand gently caress him.

Dude didn't need to go on a loving 2 week long harassment crusade of one woman because someone made an offhand comment.

That says way more about how much of a idiot insecure piece of poo poo he is, not to mention it's not the first time he's done some gently caress poo poo like this.

This is just the first time he's done it where there is such a loving massive power disparity between him and his target. And he just kept loving harassing this person for one comment. For 2-3 loving weeks.

KVeezy3
Aug 18, 2005



Kenshin posted:

It's also one thing to point it out as a trend (not as in a fashion trend, but as in a statistical trend) with regards to colorism and social judgments of beauty and quite another to name names, as if any individual person should be shamed for the color of the skin of the person who they love.

Right, but this also points to a broader ontological problem produced with the ďvictoryĒ of neo-liberalism: in this case, the hyper-focus on the individual as the mainstream form of discourse around social justice.

Itís only relatively recently that movements for democratic socialism & Black Lives Matter have been able to meaningfully shift the discourse. And of course their ideas are deemed too unrealistic, dangerous and un-American by the ruling class & significant segments of the population.

Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008






Dexo posted:

On the other hand gently caress him.

Dude didn't need to go on a loving 2 week long harassment crusade of one woman because someone made an offhand comment.

That says way more about how much of a idiot insecure piece of poo poo he is, not to mention it's not the first time he's done some gently caress poo poo like this.

This is just the first time he's done it where there is such a loving massive power disparity between him and his target. And he just kept loving harassing this person for one comment. For 2-3 loving weeks.

Oh yeah for sure, def not trying to justify his incredibly lovely actions, cause they're Incredibly lovely

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

I been ballin' so damn hard I swear I think that I'm Coby


Like he did the same poo poo to Bomani Jones for like a week because Bo said he liked Big Boi more than him.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010


Trying to out tweet Bomani is a foolís errand

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


alansmithee posted:

Basically all the New Edition dudes were super talented.

And I'm also a big fan of new jack swing. Guy was probably my first favorite music group. Honestly surprised it's not seen a bigger revival (although I think that Bruno Mars song was very similar).

Checking out Guy right now. I'd kill for a modern new jack swing revival.

Wamsutta
Sep 9, 2001

We go hard.


Man, thanks to whoever mentioned Bfb da packman in this thread, he's loving great

teacup
Dec 20, 2006

Who would win in a fight? Taylor Swift or Daryl Somers?

KVeezy3 posted:

Right, but this also points to a broader ontological problem produced with the ďvictoryĒ of neo-liberalism: in this case, the hyper-focus on the individual as the mainstream form of discourse around social justice.

Itís only relatively recently that movements for democratic socialism & Black Lives Matter have been able to meaningfully shift the discourse. And of course their ideas are deemed too unrealistic, dangerous and un-American by the ruling class & significant segments of the population.

I understand this but itís still super lovely to immediately accuse, personally, people of things and then hide from defense of that accusation with ďthere are complex discussions to be had about this!!!Ē

Of course it doesnít matter as he just lost his poo poo instead

40 lbs to freedom
Apr 13, 2007



new edition loving rules if you cant groove to if it isnt love you suck imo

KVeezy3
Aug 18, 2005



teacup posted:

I understand this but itís still super lovely to immediately accuse, personally, people of things and then hide from defense of that accusation with ďthere are complex discussions to be had about this!!!Ē

Of course it doesnít matter as he just lost his poo poo instead
Agreed.

The obverse of this can be found in the the myth of the model minority, which is less immediately distasteful but, in my opinion, far more insidious. The narrative is leveraged to emphatically locate societyís problems in the individual, which further ensures the smooth functioning of the status quo.

Remember the declarations of Obamaís post-racial America? I think this aspect partly contributed to Kanyeís hard right-wing turn.

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010

Catching up to god quicker



Dexo posted:

Like he did the same poo poo to Bomani Jones for like a week because Bo said he liked Big Boi more than him.
lmao that's pathetic

40 lbs to freedom
Apr 13, 2007



did we talk about blu & exile? finally got around to listening to the new album and its a perrrrrrfect summer vibe. cant put my finger on what this is reminding me so much of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc3SUQ_6wFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNmhl4Ko5Qk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Uynb-CyTUk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_Sf16ZH73s

Yuzenn
Mar 31, 2011

In search of right like the birth of Christ
Breakin' every generational curse in life
Perverse concise make sure the verse is right
Return who adverse to the Earth
Just make sure that my hearse is white

Fun Shoe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32hUIGnMpOY

Amergin
Jan 29, 2013

THE SOUND A WET FART MAKES


https://youtu.be/IB2IeaoT-bw

alansmithee
Jan 25, 2007

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!




Grimey Drawer

Johnny Truant posted:

oh poo poo i totally forgot about new Black Star album!

sorry if this is not the place, but like, what was the lady trying to say on twitter in the first place? that because the rappers/actors wives have lighter skin than them, that...?

this is probably me showing my whole rear end by not understanding this; i'm white as poo poo, but i just want to try to understand it. feel free to tell me to shut the gently caress up if i'm out of line.

Basically there's a whole thing where traditionally darker skinned black women are often seen as less attractive (or are portrayed that way) (as an aside, it's not just a thing for blacks, you can look in many places where darker skinned people are often seen as less attractive for various reasons I'll not get into here). This is combined with the fact that lighter skinned black people are often seen as less "black" than darker skinned. So it's basically a combination of those things-some probably justifiable things having to do with black men supporting standards of beauty that harm black women, and also some kinda bullshit stuff about black men not dating "real" black women (similar to the backlash many receive when they date non-black women in general).

alansmithee
Jan 25, 2007

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!




Grimey Drawer

Henchman of Santa posted:

Trying to out tweet Bomani is a foolís errand

Well idk I tend to usually agree with him but otoh he also just straight blocks people who he gets tired off/disagrees with/whatever. Which may actually be the best/most mature way to handle a lot of these twitter blowups but still.

Vargatron posted:

Checking out Guy right now. I'd kill for a modern new jack swing revival.

Yeah Guy's classic and really helped shape the sound. Basically anything Teddy Riley was involved in. All the spinoffs from New Edition also really are heavy in that song if you're not familiar with any of them (Ralph Tresvant, Bell Biv Devoe, Johnny Gill, Bobby Brown) and all their spinoffs (ABC, Boys II Men, and a couple others I can't remember).

It's funny I actually was listening to something to long ago and thought it kinda had that new jack swing feel but can't recall it for the life of me. I'll post it if I do remember. Also I can give some other recs, but I'm not sure how much you know and a bunch of what I know is more stuff I remember from radio or w/e since I've not done a deep dive or anything.

40 lbs to freedom posted:

new edition loving rules if you cant groove to if it isnt love you suck imo

This is entirely true.

KVeezy3 posted:

Remember the declarations of Obamaís post-racial America? I think this aspect partly contributed to Kanyeís hard right-wing turn.

I'd hesitate to call Kanye's "politics" a hard right turn.

alansmithee fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Jul 28, 2020

DROP TABLE PHIZ
Feb 10, 2018

IF YOU AIN'T GETTIN LIT YOU BETTER STAY OUT BITCH

alansmithee posted:

It's funny I actually was listening to something to long ago and thought it kinda had that new jack swing feel but can't recall it for the life of me. I'll post it if I do remember. Also I can give some other recs, but I'm not sure how much you know and a bunch of what I know is more stuff I remember from radio or w/e since I've not done a deep dive or anything.


fwiw theres a straight up new jack swing song on the most recent snoop album

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


alansmithee posted:

Yeah Guy's classic and really helped shape the sound. Basically anything Teddy Riley was involved in. All the spinoffs from New Edition also really are heavy in that song if you're not familiar with any of them (Ralph Tresvant, Bell Biv Devoe, Johnny Gill, Bobby Brown) and all their spinoffs (ABC, Boys II Men, and a couple others I can't remember).

Right now I'm catching up on Guy and Mint Condition. A friend of mine linked me a playlist labeled "cookout jams" and that's got a lot of good stuff on there.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

I been ballin' so damn hard I swear I think that I'm Coby


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUe2cdhsL68

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"



I'm so glad CupcakKe's feeling better now, she's really wonderful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5mO6OEuRhY

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008






Taco Defender

https://twitter.com/SirMichaelRocks...877800821583872

temple
Jul 29, 2006




fair choice

temple
Jul 29, 2006



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSXHus86gAg

Yuzenn
Mar 31, 2011

In search of right like the birth of Christ
Breakin' every generational curse in life
Perverse concise make sure the verse is right
Return who adverse to the Earth
Just make sure that my hearse is white

Fun Shoe


He's getting clowned for this but Logic is loving brilliant for low key selling a bunch of albums, getting to spend time with his family instead of industry bullshit and inks a super lucrative deal with Twitch to do whatever he wants directly with his fans.

Joe Budden was just jealous cause that's always what he wanted to do.

temple
Jul 29, 2006



Logic has made good music. He's not a legend or ground breaking. I agree w/Joe that Logic seems to bite Kendrick. But its not a crime and there are way more people you can criticize than Logic. He minds his business and that's respectable.

temple fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Jul 29, 2020

highme
May 25, 2001


I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!




Wingstop is "hosting" a bunch of top tier DJs today over at https://www.wingstopwingday.com/

Up now is DJ Puffy, Jazzy Jeff & Z-Trip both have sets coming up later today. Shortkut & DJ MrThing, looks like he did an all 45 set too, were up earlier (and their sets are already on youtube).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErAXyO477Kw

keevo
Jun 16, 2011

WAKE UP


Lol their site says you can watch it on Youtube, but the video got blocked by copyright. A loving great lineup of DJs though.

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010


Malik B (former member, later frequent collaborator of the Roots) died apparently.

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Johnny Truant
Jul 22, 2008






Henchman of Santa posted:

Malik B (former member, later frequent collaborator of the Roots) died apparently.

oh poo poo for real? drat

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