Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us $3,400 per month for bandwidth bills alone, and since we don't believe in shoving popup ads to our registered users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
«1139 »
  • Post
  • Reply
thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 3630 days!


Shredded Hen

Allyn posted:

Loads and loads. DOOM used Lemon Grass himself as King Geedorah on Krazy World, Myrtle Leaf's on the same Geedorah album too but I forget which track (still an instrumental on there tho, if memory serves). There are others from the set on there too (Sarsaparilla, Untitled Meditation). Joey Bada$$ used Pennyroyal and Datura Stramonium on 1999. Ghostface's Fishscale has a whole bunch too (Four Thieves Vinegar, Orange Blossoms, Fenugreek, Sumac Berries among them).

This is the type of thing I find super interesting thanks! What about "Monosodium Glutamate" - I swear this is used on another DOOM song but cant recall which?

Anyway, im putting together a playlist on Spotify.

edit: \/\/\/\/ ahhhh yupp, thank you for resolving my brain fart I was thinking Rhinestone Cowboy for some reason but that is a Madlib beat. It's not exactly easy to browse Doom's ridiculously huge catalogue and various monikers

thathonkey fucked around with this message at Oct 12, 2014 around 17:35

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Insanely Sikh
Aug 26, 2009

Winner, SA's Sikh Of the Year, 2013


Rhymes like Dimes

alansmithee
Jan 25, 2007

A villain in your land, in his land a ruler


Grimey Drawer

Another Person posted:

I think there is more than 3 hours of Special Herbs sets, I have quite a few of them and they are all like 20 tracks. I think it comes to like 7 or so hours of beats. And every one of them is amazing.

DOOM is a god who deserves way more attention.

e; RZA used one of his beats called Sasparilla to make You Can't Stop Me Now. I spent like a day wondering where the gently caress I had heard it before realising what it was.

Also, I noticed that DOOM never gets any credit for these beats anywhere in the production or anything like that. So, are these guys just stealing his beats wholesale or are they paying dues somewhere else cause it sounds like they are getting famous off someone elses works. For example, Soul doesn't seem to credit him anywhere.

Doom gets credit when his stuff gets used. You're confusing the samples for the beats. Book of Soul uses a different beat, it just has the same sample.

Allyn posted:

Loads and loads. DOOM used Lemon Grass himself as King Geedorah on Krazy World, Myrtle Leaf's on the same Geedorah album too but I forget which track (still an instrumental on there tho, if memory serves). There are others from the set on there too (Sarsaparilla, Untitled Meditation). Joey Bada$$ used Pennyroyal and Datura Stramonium on 1999. Ghostface's Fishscale has a whole bunch too (Four Thieves Vinegar, Orange Blossoms, Fenugreek, Sumac Berries among them).
Monster Zero is the instrumental you're thinking of. Other one is Rhymes Like Dimes. Also the names are a bit misleading because a bunch got renamed during the 0-9 special herbs set rerelease.

As an aside, part of the reason Born Like This wasn't better received was because a bunch of the special herbs beats were used on there-dudes who had been following him for awhile already knew them so it gave the album kinda a mixtape feel (the old version, where dudes would just grab other beats to rhyme over). The stuff on the Neruvian project were some of the first original Doom beats I've heard in like 15 years (outside of the random Trunks EP which wasn't even released, and I'm not sure was even handled by Doom outside of the song he pulled from the Gheedora album)

As for the attention he receives, I'm pretty sure he's not lacking, given the fact that he never really "broke" through. He was one of the indie rap dudes who still had a lot of credibility with dudes who preferred more "street" oriented stuff. Also you see tons of younger dudes still naming him as an influence and talking about his music (not to mention most of the 90's throwback dudes all hopping on his beats).

His career is kinda odd, because he had a super-productive period and right when he seemed to be about to at least get some minor mainstream attention, dude just kinda disappeared (that's also when the doomposters started showing up at his shows). He did the DangerDoom album for adult swim (when Danger Mouse was still big from "Crazy"), and was on all sorts of stuff for Adult Swim. There was talk of Madvillain 2, the Ghost/Doom project, all sorts of stuff. But instead there was just nothing, and he kinda disappeared. There were lots of rumors about him being near-death and I don't think there was ever any interview or story where he really said why he quit making stuff for that period.

Dude's always been my fav rap guy and I'd put his stuff up against any one else in rap in terms of quality or w/e.

Also in the old thread I made a giant Doom post about where to start with his stuff and w/e if anyone wants to go looking. I may do another if people want that cause the old thread's probably archives now.

alansmithee fucked around with this message at Oct 12, 2014 around 16:40

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 3630 days!


Shredded Hen

To me the drums laid over the sample on Book of Soul and Burdock Root that creates "the beat" is very similar if not identical though. Even if it is technically a different beat they employ the sample in the exact same fashion It's one of those gray area things that comes with the territory I guess.

Here's the source as Alan pointed out - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd9p_KqVCQs

edit: they even sped up the sample to what sounds like the same tempo

edit 2: aaaand now that I've pored over all of these songs I admit Book of Soul and Burdock Root aren't identical but still suspiciously similar.

thathonkey fucked around with this message at Oct 12, 2014 around 17:39

Another Person
Oct 20, 2010





alansmithee posted:

Also in the old thread I made a giant Doom post about where to start with his stuff and w/e if anyone wants to go looking. I may do another if people want that cause the old thread's probably archives now.

Yeah, I remember that because I asked for it.

And yeah, Burdock Root and Book of Soul are almost exactly identical. I would be mega pissed if I heard some guy made something so close to something I already did without at least dropping an influence mention.

e:

alansmithee posted:

For production work, I'd go with King Geedorah and MF Grimm-Downfall of Ibllys. He's rapping on some of the stuff on there (and I Hear Voices pt. 1 on the Grimm album is actually just a Doom track from one of the singles for Op: Doomsday) but it's mostly other dudes rapping. Geedorah also has the track I mentioned before with that Trunks dude, so you may wanna try tracking down the EP he did.

Victor Vaughn album is pretty good as well-it's Doom over other people's beats. The last couple tracks kinda aren't up to the same standards but the rest is really top notch. You could make a case some of his best rhyming is on there. He also did (or was somehow involved with, not sure exactly how "official" it was) a VV 2 album which I think actually has a lot better production than the first, but way less Doom raps (he pretty much shits on the project in his opening verse on the intro).

As I said Born Like This is way better than people give credit for-most dudes at the time were sour on it because the production was so old if you'd been following Doom's stuff and it kinda dropped with no fanfare after he disappeared or whatever (also prior to that was when he first started sending imposters to his shows so people were kinda salty). The beats mostly weren't rapped over before (some had been, but mostly not) but since all the Doom stuff was on special herbs and I think the only other production was Dilla stuff from Donuts, it wasn't exactly new.

JJ Doom had like 1 song on it I really liked, just didn't seem to mesh well. Mouse and the Mask is kinda interesting if you like the early era Adult Swim stuff and/or really wanna listen to Doom make raps about anything but is largely skippable. The Unexpected Guests album gets a bunch of his singles/appearances and is decent but tbh it's missing some of my fav songs/features of his (Mic Line, off the Monsta Island Czars cd which was mostly bad besides that song). It's also missing some of his earlier stuff, but the "KMD" (Kurious and another random dude Doom was supposedly gonna make a new KMD album with [another of the many rumored-but-never-seen Doom projects a la Madvillainy 2 & the Ghost collab-this was from like 2000 so it's not something exactly new with him]) track Sorcerors is on there, which is really nice. The Count Bass D track is also cool (he might be the only industry dude who doesn't have bad poo poo to say about Doom fwiw). If you really want more, there's also the MF EP which has Grimm/Doom tracks (and if you like any of that, I can elaborate on Grimm who's not as good but has also had an interesting career, with some great to ok music). That's most of his stuff covered, as I said there's also some random features that are good but not "necessary" unless you're a real completist (I remember a song he did on one of the Prefuse albums was decent, and another I've not tracked down in awhile with Aesop and some other dude that i got on a random CD-R, for instance)

Hope that helps

Another Person fucked around with this message at Oct 12, 2014 around 17:32

TenaciousTomato
Jul 17, 2007

Until I went to the temple, where the High Priest asked me what my name was, and I said, 'Snoop Dogg.' And he looked me in my eyes and said, 'No more. You are the light; you are the lion.'


Does DDOM credit Bobby McFerrin?

spoils
Nov 2, 2012


TenaciousTomato posted:

Does DDOM credit Bobby McFerrin?

I don't have the physical copies of special herbs, so I'm not 100% sure on every sample, but on one of the releases of MF DOOM samples, it has that McFerrin song on there in its entirety

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010





Boywhiz88 posted:

Blackland Radio 66.6.

I listened to this properly for this first time last week, I'd written of SGP after his newer stuff but Blackland 66.6 is so good. It nails the vibe of stuff like early Three 6 Mafia.

I AM BRAWW
Jul 18, 2014

Ayy, she runnin' away from my weed like it farted.


Freddie Gibbs & ESGN - Dollaz

Gibbs throwing his no-name homies on tracks is interesting. They aren't nearly as good as him or really all that interesting, but fresh voices (in the case of whoever the first guy is on this track) and smooth flows with some new Gibbs are all good.

Unbootable
Jul 3, 2003


I bought a ticket to see the Deniro Farrar / Denzel Curry tour later this week, have any goons caught them coming through their towns and can tell me what the setlist was like? Did Denzel play anything from prior to Nostalgic 64?

Crumbletron
Jul 21, 2006



IT'S YOUR BOY JESUS, MANE


I AM BRAWW posted:

Freddie Gibbs & ESGN - Dollaz

Gibbs throwing his no-name homies on tracks is interesting. They aren't nearly as good as him or really all that interesting, but fresh voices (in the case of whoever the first guy is on this track) and smooth flows with some new Gibbs are all good.

That first dude is G-Wiz, probably my favourite Gibbs associate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1hnHqrumPw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC5doWnV00I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edxStudbK0U

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen




He's probably the best dude he brings on for songs. I still keep Pinata on rotation, god drat Gibbs does well with someone laying track.

And for some reason I really really like Lil Dicky. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBhouVb8G04

It's fun poo poo.

spoils
Nov 2, 2012


Thanks RTJ
http://www.stereogum.com/1711347/ru...-la-rocha/mp3s/

pretend the song ends at 2:40

spoils fucked around with this message at Oct 13, 2014 around 17:06

Robert Analog
Feb 16, 2008



spoils posted:

gently caress Buzzfeed, but thanks RTJ
http://www.buzzfeed.com/reggieugwu/...a-rocha#31lc7l1

pretend the song ends at 2:40

ZDLR's verse was way better than I expected, I'm ok with it and vote that post "WIN, LOL, and <3"

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo

I searched the thread quick and didn't see anything mentioned about this.

Dillon Cooper has been releasing new stuff weekly from his upcoming release. The mixtape is called "X.XX" and release date is Oct 20.

https://soundcloud.com/thedilloncoo...r-bright-lights

https://soundcloud.com/thedilloncoo...-by-canis-major

I'm looking forward to it a lot. "Cozmik" was one of my favourite mixtapes of 2013 and I still listen to it a lot.

I AM BRAWW
Jul 18, 2014

Ayy, she runnin' away from my weed like it farted.



Ahhh yeah I had thought I'd heard him before, thanks! Of all the ESGN dudes I think he's the one that sticks out the most since I usually remember his name.

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010

Catching up to god quicker



Robert Analog posted:

ZDLR's verse was way better than I expected, I'm ok with it and vote that post "WIN, LOL, and <3"
nah I hate to say this but tbh I thought it was pretty YAAASS and BOLD

Uncle Kitchener
Nov 18, 2009

BALLSBALLSBALLSBALLS
BALLSBALLSBALLSBALLS
BALLSBALLSBALLSBALLS
BALLSBALLSBALLSBALLS


Do any US rapper use UK Grime beats? I always thought those were perfect for freestyles.

The REAL Goobusters
Apr 25, 2008




im so loving HYPE for this album


also i voted LOL sorry i meant Trashy!

The REAL Goobusters fucked around with this message at Oct 13, 2014 around 20:43

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008





Nap Ghost

So late posting, but best Game song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8e1G0jPQTA

Combining thread favorites R&B + Yung Gud, awesome remix of Tinashe - 2 On:

https://soundcloud.com/gud-2/tinash...-yung-gud-remix

snyprmag
Oct 9, 2005



uncleKitchener posted:

Do any US rapper use UK Grime beats? I always thought those were perfect for freestyles.

Danny Brown's the only one I've noticed ever doing it. He works with a bunch of UK guys, not just Grime ones.

Gaggins
Nov 20, 2007




Was that the real video? Really shows off his fence-jumping skills.

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008





Nap Ghost

Gaggins posted:

Was that the real video? Really shows off his fence-jumping skills.

Nah, some terrible fan video. I doubt there was a real video, it's off Stop Snitchin, Stop Lyin which is a pretty good tape all around.

5 RING SHRIMP
Oct 3, 2012



I can't check either but is it the same vid as One Blood?

A3th3r
Jul 27, 2013

success is a dream & achievements are the cream


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWgvGjAhvIw What's cooler than cool? Ice cold!

New G-unit gets me excited.. hearing them makes me think of Jay-z 'Lyrical Exercise' or something. The anger is missing though.. maybe they all got official girlfriends?

e: I have been sleeping on G-unit as NY influences the last couple years, although Fitty has put out the occasional quality track

A3th3r fucked around with this message at Oct 13, 2014 around 22:41

RBX
Jan 2, 2011



What G-Unit had was HUNGER. It oozed out of every track they did. Listen to their first albums/mixtapes and the obvious effort put into them. Few came in as hard as they did and did it consistently. Yes it's different now but they're still pretty good and the reunion has seemed to reinvigorate 50's creativity.

doctor thodt
Apr 2, 2004



I can't be the only person who's excited that a new DJ Quik album comes out TOMORROW. This is a momentous occasion for west coast rap.

Crumbletron
Jul 21, 2006



IT'S YOUR BOY JESUS, MANE


doctor thodt posted:

I can't be the only person who's excited that a new DJ Quik album comes out TOMORROW. This is a momentous occasion for west coast rap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2HxZGNTfBM

Cool Buff Man
Jul 30, 2006

bitch

A3th3r posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWgvGjAhvIw What's cooler than cool? Ice cold!

New G-unit gets me excited.. hearing them makes me think of Jay-z 'Lyrical Exercise' or something. The anger is missing though.. maybe they all got official girlfriends?

e: I have been sleeping on G-unit as NY influences the last couple years, although Fitty has put out the occasional quality track

lmao

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 3630 days!


Shredded Hen


rap's ultimate crew

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010

Catching up to god quicker



Beg For Mercy still holds up as a pretty great album, it's the peak quintessential Shady/Aftermath 2000s sound.

Kenshin
Jan 10, 2007


break ups 2 make ups

HorseRenoir
Dec 25, 2011



thathonkey posted:


rap's ultimate crew

For a second I thought this cover was from ten years ago.

5 RING SHRIMP
Oct 3, 2012



thathonkey posted:


rap's ultimate crew

They are easily the best rap group out right now though? Black Hippy doesn't do anything, A$AP Mob had an awful mixtap and can't even put together another project, and Odd Future...well...

All the one-off songs they've released since getting back together has been awesome and Beauty of Independence was really good. 50 can still hold his own, Banks never fell off, Young Buck makes Flocka and Meek mill sound like they're on tranquilizers, Yayo is still one of the most entertaining hype men and rappers ever, and Kidd Kidd has stepped it up considerably. One of the best groups ever.

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010

Catching up to god quicker



I bought it until you started complimenting Yayo. Like, one of the major reasons Beg For Mercy is the best they'll ever do is Yayo being in jail. He's okay being on like 1-2 songs an album.

the three man Banks-50-Buck dynamic is just right in terms of balance anyway. I admit it sounded cool as a kid that one week where it seemed like Game was gonna be part of G-Unit...but it probably would've gotten crowded.

Punkin Spunkin fucked around with this message at Oct 14, 2014 around 01:59

5 RING SHRIMP
Oct 3, 2012



Game will never be part of G-Unit again because it's way deeper than rap. He aligned himself with Jimmy Henchman who had Yayo's moms house shot up and the same guy that got Pac shot in 94. (edit: I misread your post and thought you said you thought Game was gonna be back when they reunited. Yeah it either could have been too crowded or made them easily the biggest rap group of the 2000s even though they pretty much already were)

Yayo wasn't always an eh rapper:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RM7HnRnXc4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNyYqbaLFv8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bztXQzHLLM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01IeeWUy574
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj5JzTwGNJo

5 RING SHRIMP fucked around with this message at Oct 14, 2014 around 02:20

O__O
Jan 26, 2011

by Cowcaster


A3th3r posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWgvGjAhvIw What's cooler than cool? Ice cold!

New G-unit gets me excited.. hearing them makes me think of Jay-z 'Lyrical Exercise' or something. The anger is missing though.. maybe they all got official girlfriends?

e: I have been sleeping on G-unit as NY influences the last couple years, although Fitty has put out the occasional quality track

Also, nice to see some new stuff from Andre 3000.

gucci bane
Oct 27, 2008





uncleKitchener posted:

Do any US rapper use UK Grime beats? I always thought those were perfect for freestyles.

Google 'street bass compilations' and you'll find a whole shitload of albums by the label Seclusiasis. They are basically putting grime-ish instrumentals under rap with varying success.
https://soundcloud.com/streetbassbo...es-turnin-headz
For example^ I put that song in a mix I did, its very heavy.

GET MONEY
Sep 7, 2003



tony yayo is a poor man's french montana. same struggle bars but a fraction of the charisma.

this track was real though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z77EvRGYvo

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

5 RING SHRIMP
Oct 3, 2012



That legitimately may be the worst comparison I've heard in here. Yayo is pretty much entirely charisma and I love frenchs music

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply
«1139 »