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Cancel culture has gone too far. Now they’re trying to cancel “Culture.”
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nOOrOOQqsE
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Jul 5, 2020 03:22
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rap game tipper gore
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Jul 5, 2020 03:24
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*Jay-z-ishly * ... ... OK.
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Jul 5, 2020 03:47
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t a s t e posted:rap game tipper gore
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Punkin Spunkin posted:you really take her saying that that way? i doubt it because tipper gore is the rap game's tipper gore
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Jul 5, 2020 04:09
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also I'm all in on YE 2020
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Jul 5, 2020 04:41
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Kanye trying to get any dem votes he can to help trump get reelected
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Jul 5, 2020 05:13
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Punkin Spunkin posted:you really take her saying that that way? no, if I was going to break character and talk seriously I'd say it was a self absorbed take that fuels stereotypes about black male expression but as a joke it works
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Jul 5, 2020 05:16
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Wezlar posted:Kanye trying to get any dem votes he can to help trump get reelected Trump announces that he is not running for a second term, Kanye republican candidate, Biden announces Clinton as VP choice
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Jul 5, 2020 05:23
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Its dumb because she not listening to any men in hiphop. Why not praise the men who aren't sexist? If all male rappers are sexist, then how can you expect them to be anything else? There is a bigger problem than hiphop. Further, where do women rappers fall? As I always do... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnN3EFmNyIM
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Jul 5, 2020 05:42
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j/k 2020
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Kids Dont Vote Sometimes Kids Dont Vote Sometimes Kids Dont Vote Senates
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Gucci Mane - Still Remember feat. Pooh Shiesty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpubTIE3mdY So Icy Summer feels like basically every other recent Gucci release, but with 24 tracks there are a few keepers. Some newly signed artists and lots of Young Thug too.
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Jul 5, 2020 19:29
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temple posted:Why not praise the men who aren't sexist?
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Jul 5, 2020 21:05
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Kenshin posted:because nobody deserves praise for not being trash While true, Temple's broader point still stands. Namely, the need to see things in their proper context: to push for the purging of all misogynistic content out of rap music is to effectively posit that rap music causes misogyny, as opposed to say, being a mere bit player in the misogyny that is necessary to the smooth functioning of capitalism. KVeezy3 fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Jul 5, 2020 |
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Jul 5, 2020 21:17
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Kenshin posted:because nobody deserves praise for not being trash Sexism is the norm not the exception
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KVeezy3 posted:While true, Temple's broader point still stands. Namely, the need to see things in their proper context: to push for the purging of all misogynistic content out of rap music is to effectively posit that rap music causes misogyny, as opposed to say, being a mere bit player in the misogyny that is necessary to the smooth functioning of capitalism. I feel like you're already implying some kind of intrinsic link there. void_serfer fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Jul 6, 2020 |
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Joe Gillian posted:I feel like you're already implying some kind of intrinsic link there. Could you elaborate?
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KVeezy3 posted:Could you elaborate? It looks like a loaded assumption that no one is actually saying while being a thinking adult.
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Jul 6, 2020 02:57
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OK, so can you articulate the desire behind 'abolishing' problematic content out of rap music?
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KVeezy3 posted:OK, so can you articulate the desire behind 'abolishing' problematic content out of rap music? lol
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KVeezy3 posted:OK, so can you articulate the desire behind 'abolishing' problematic content out of rap music? Is this a serious question dude
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Joe Gillian posted:Is this a serious question dude Uhh yeah? If it's so obviously something I'm missing, feel free to talk down to me.
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KVeezy3 posted:Uhh yeah? If it's so obviously something I'm missing, feel free to talk down to me. Misogyny should be abolished as much as possible. You're being dense on purpose to find a reason to argue with her. To posit that someone shouldn't have a "desire to abolish" something, (a definite dogwhistle for "an agenda!") is loving absurd and not how art works at all. You can critique systematic oppression in media AS WELL as in the larger scheme of things, and to say "go over there with that" is childish and dishonest. void_serfer fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Jul 6, 2020 |
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Joe Gillian posted:Misogyny should be abolished as much as possible. You're being dense on purpose to find a reason to argue with her. To posit that someone shouldn't have a "desire to abolish" something, (a definite dogwhistle for "an agenda!") is loving absurd and not how art works at all. You can critique systematic oppression in media AS WELL as in the larger scheme of things, and to say "go over there with that" is childish and dishonest. Please stop assuming I’m being dishonest or trying to trick people, as I think this will save you a lot of time (Though you can continue to call me a dense child if you like). I never said that there shouldn’t be a desire to abolish something in media, but that we should examine how that desire actually manifests itself. Critiquing systematic oppression in media means directly engaging with it to ascertain why they take on particular modes of expressions, but what I see in Monae’s tweet isn't that, but a broad call for censorship. In that case, she’s not critiquing systematic oppression in media, but attempting to repress problematic content in cultural products of a society that is, a priori, prevalent in and foundationally dependent on misogyny. It’s easy to say that misogyny should be destroyed in all forms, but what does that entail within the realm of rap music, concretely? If it’s censorship, how should it be implemented? If you disagree that Monae is calling for censorship, then what are you advocating, specifically?
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also fwiw i think janelle is saying abolish as in 'stop consuming it to the point that it disappears' rather than to make it illegal but im not her and also i agree with temple (i think) that its more productive to actually highlight rap she thinks is 'good' than to make some regressive statement that all rap is about bling and hos
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KVeezy3 posted:If you disagree that Monae is calling for censorship, then what are you advocating, specifically? As I said before, you're making the argument that rap music is inherently misogynistic and cannot be reformed, critiqued and examined. That is not censorship, and calling for artists to be more responsible with their platforms and messaging shouldn't be seen as an attack on the culture as a whole, but as a way to move forward. KVeezy3 posted:but attempting to repress problematic content in cultural products of a society that is, a priori, prevalent in and foundationally dependent on misogyny. void_serfer fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Jul 6, 2020 |
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Jul 6, 2020 18:31
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Joe Gillian posted:As I said before, you're making the argument that rap music is inherently misogynistic and cannot be reformed, critiqued and examined. That is not censorship, and calling for artists to be more responsible with their platforms and messaging shouldn't be seen as an attack on the culture as a whole, but as a way to move forward. I have not made any claims about rap music being inherently misogynistic, but the opposite, anti-essentalist one: that it's inescapably produced and consumed by a hitherto misogynist society. I've also not claimed that rap music is irredeemable. If you take Monae's tweet to be some vague call for rappers to "Be better," then there's no real disagreement here other than the interpretation of that tweet.
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KVeezy3 posted:I have not made any claims about rap music being inherently misogynistic, but the opposite, anti-essentalist one: that it's inescapably produced and consumed by a hitherto misogynist society. I've also not claimed that rap music is irredeemable. I tend to give left-leaning artists the benefit of the doubt in this mess of a world, because their understanding of how these systems overlap didn't start with them reading Marx or whatever.
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Joe Gillian posted:I tend to give left-leaning artists the benefit of the doubt in this mess of a world, because their understanding of how these systems overlap didn't start with them reading Marx or whatever. I'm not familiar with Monae's politics, but what threw me was her short term fix being drawn under gender essentialist lines.
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