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Big Mad Drongo posted:As someone who dislikes it, I understand why people love it: the atmosphere is fantastic in a bleak way, the story is just vague enough and the overall concept of fortifying temporary safe havens is great. I love the atmosphere and story, I just kinda hate the gameplay. If the gameplay is a chore, it doesn't matter how good your story is, i'm gonna hate it a little bit more for it. It's a loving shame because I looked at darkwood for literally a year or so before going "gently caress it, lets give it a shot, looks cool" and i've bounced off it several times. Probably just isn't for me. dogstile fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Aug 4, 2020 |
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I fuckin' love it and its hard to say why without spoiling but like I said I could probably see why other people might hate it, If you're predisposed to hating survival games you might see the crafting and stuff and be like "EW NO" but really its not that. The point of the hideouts is they part of a two phase gameplay type thing. You got your day mans where you walk out and find gear and mushrooms. Mushrooms are... experience, You generally find mushrooms around spooky set pieces where hosed up poo poo happens, often with a link to a different spooky set piece. Some dark soulsy style quests with some... just, the most hosed uppest npcs. And you got your night mans, See when come a night you're called back to your cabin or else evil jam devours your legs which... ok whatever, but the developmental DEAL with it is the hideout is where the developer has a convenient place they can gently caress with you, so the hideouts are basically little... spook dispensers, at night you'll either be attacked by monsters or harassed by various kinds of traumatic episode. Weird red lights, savages burning deer on your lawn, knocks on your door leaving you invitations to ghost weddings. hosed up poo poo happens at night (at least till you're outta spooks, than its monsters every night baybee) So thats the game, you go out, find fun, hosed up poo poo in the world and profit from it. Than go home and get hosed with while you spend some of those profits in order to survive the nights that get increasingly deadly as you move your camp from the major areas, which you will, because nothing regenerates so you'll be forced by resource pressure eventually to ditch and move on down the line. I think the overhead style and line of sight system works to the games benefit, you play from overhead early GTA style looking down on your characters stylish hat and can only see out the cone of your face and key stuff is obscured when you're not looking. This means combat can be confusing because enemies like to lunge around and get behind you which... sometimes very effective, especially as the game loosens up and enemies start doing other stuff than trying to run you down and bite your face. But the games aware of it too. Some stuff you can 'see' without looking at it like furniture so you can leave a chair by a door and know if something is pushing through by the chair sliding around which... makes sense, you can hear it too and you can presume a chair wouldn't move without input... But the game knows you'll do this and sometimes just moves chairs while you're not looking... to gently caress with you. because its ALWAYS loving with you. And I love it.
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Aug 4, 2020 11:19
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Lifeglug posted:Because gamers will still slurp up utter poo poo like Agony just because it "triggers" the "SJWs," not because it's any good.
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Aug 4, 2020 12:39
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Maypole of controversy. The fact you're even still talking about it is evidence enough its working. The game would already be second-deathed if it had to stand up on its own merits but slap some controversial tits in there and the rage will keep it alive regardless of merit.
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Aug 4, 2020 12:43
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I would like Darkwood much better if I could skip the night sections. They were creepish the first few times, after that it's just getting in the way of my exploring this world. Got to the point were I was just leaping at monsters to die to hurry things up
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Aug 4, 2020 12:47
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World Famous W posted:I would like Darkwood much better if I could skip the night sections. They were creepish the first few times, after that it's just getting in the way of my exploring this world. Got to the point were I was just leaping at monsters to die to hurry things up Hmm, I mean you're not wrong in that the spook catalogue isn't large enough per hideout. I think it'd be more effective if not every night had SOMETHING in it. That said they're profitable later. You gain rep for successfully lasting which feeds you the ammo you need for later in the game.
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Aug 4, 2020 12:58
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World Famous W posted:I would like Darkwood much better if I could skip the night sections. They were creepish the first few times, after that it's just getting in the way of my exploring this world. Got to the point were I was just leaping at monsters to die to hurry things up you’re losing a lot of resources that way, surviving the night earns you sizable rewards
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Aug 4, 2020 13:00
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Plus not gonna lie I actually really like surviving the nights, makin' barricades, thinking about my options. I had a lot of fun laying trails of gasoline beneath doors before barricading them so when the monsters would come and bash on them I'd light 'em up and hear them run and burn into the night. Definitely adding that one to my playbook if I'm ever stalked by a Jason
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Oxxidation posted:you’re losing a lot of resources that way, surviving the night earns you sizable rewards Its me that's the problem
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Aug 4, 2020 20:16
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I loved what I played of Darkwood but ended up quitting because the constant scarcity of everything made me the bad kind of anxious rather than the good kind of anxious the abominations induced.
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Aug 4, 2020 21:09
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If you bounced off Darkwood because the nights are boring I want to recommend Teleglitch, a game with a similar style but it's more like top-down survival Quake in pacing.
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Aug 4, 2020 21:50
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Scrutinized, which is basically a Welcome To The Game sequel I didn't know was being made, is out on steam apparently. I've gotten got twice by the doctor dickhead and I still haven't managed to figure out how he's getting in.  It looks like they took to heart some of the issues in WttG2, there's two difficulty settings and the easier one doesn't have permadeath between nights. I'm really hoping this turns out good but I like it so far. The description of the bald dude makes it clear that he'll try to get in through your windows if you leave them unlocked, or pick the window lock if the room's lights are off, but the only hint you get about the doctor is to check the cameras. One time he jumped up in front of the camera as a jumpscare but the second game I didn't see hide or hair of him before he poked me. Danaru fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Aug 6, 2020 |
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Aug 6, 2020 03:59
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It looks really cool, the story/idea behind it sounds way better than what either of the Welcome to the Game ones were as well, especially 2.
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Aug 6, 2020 06:40
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I tried to watch John Wolfe play it and by the end of the game's intro I had lost all interest wanting to know about the gameplay elements in the Paralegal Adventures of Little Miss Narc
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Aug 6, 2020 14:49
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The intro is a ridiculous text dump but the game itself is a fine plate spinner that’s far less inscrutable than the others as you’re doing actual logic puzzles instead of finding the one link in a wall of text.
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Aug 6, 2020 15:02
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al-azad posted:The intro is a ridiculous text dump but the game itself is a fine plate spinner that’s far less inscrutable than the others as you’re doing actual logic puzzles instead of finding the one link in a wall of text. Yeah, playing it myself and was kind of amazed at how long the intro info dump was dragging for, but the game itself is cool, it's like privacy invader + papers please and that's pretty neat. Also like catching people buying trafficked humans and the main deal being a serial killer and kidnappers is uh, "narc" behavior that's pretty good and cool actually.
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Aug 6, 2020 17:07
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sure, but I could do without the "i wanted to invade privacy ever since I was a kid"/boot licking intro
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Haven't played it, but that sounds like the, uh, wrong kind of creepy for a horror game.
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Aug 6, 2020 18:06
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Cardiovorax posted:Haven't played it, but that sounds like the, uh, wrong kind of creepy for a horror game. It's a lot less edgy than the last game which had a subplot where you mark the apartments of women so a surgeon could turn them into a literal RealDoll. e: tbh I really like these games thematically because they imagine the absolute worse in urban fear. In the first game you're being stalked by a kidnapper who knows you're investigating the dark web ring, but coincidentally there's a serial killer on the loose who only comes to your house and has a hard on for murdering people by breaking in through the front door. The second game is ridiculous: there's the Dollmaker, Agent 47, ding dong door murderer (except this time he just bum rushes you while getting your mail), and two blank-mask wearing turtleneck motherfuckers who want you to acknowledge their presence but immediately face the opposite direction. All of these people just hanging around your apartment are dead silent and extremely good at ambushing you. al-azad fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Aug 6, 2020 |
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Aug 6, 2020 18:20
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al-azad posted:It's a lot less edgy than the last game which had a subplot where you mark the apartments of women so a surgeon could turn them into a literal RealDoll.
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Aug 6, 2020 18:25
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Yeah WttG2 veered way too into 2edgy4me shock horror and I'm glad he toned it back down a bit. The computer part is pretty fun too and reminds me of an old game called Spycraft. I still can't keep this drat doctor out of my house though
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Aug 6, 2020 18:29
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Cardiovorax posted:This really isn't doing anything to change my mind there. In its defense the games are completely bloodless, they're tamer than episode of Law and Order. Welcome 2 is real edgy in its content but it's incredible how much restraint is evident in them especially in a genre not known for subtlety, and I think it's part of why there's such a cult following for these. e: Steam actually banned the game by accident because they thought the portraits (AI generated from thispersondoesnotexist) were real people. It was supposed to come out last week. al-azad fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Aug 6, 2020 |
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Aug 6, 2020 18:30
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Alright, I'll take your word for it. I admit, I'm a bit prejudiced against fiction which uses sex-themed violence as a shock effect. It strikes me as disrespectful in a bad way.
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Aug 6, 2020 18:37
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Aside from the Doll Maker, who is a secret killer and has to be instigated (and there's no way to "defeat" him so it's the player's fault) there's nothing really objectionable content wise which owes a lot to the restraint of the series. The villains of the first two games are basically a cult of gamergaters who kidnap women for Most Dangerous Game hunts on the deep web.
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Aug 6, 2020 19:09
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Definitely still not the game I would particularly enjoy to play, but it doesn't sound as blatantly awful as I was afraid it would be.
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Aug 6, 2020 19:11
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I'd be more interested in these types of games if it didn't have the Five Night at Freddys thing going on.
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Aug 6, 2020 19:13
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Groovelord Neato posted:I'd be more interested in these types of games if it didn't have the Five Night at Freddys thing going on. It's why I'm more interested in watching people fumble through them, it's hilarious, but this newest one has a casual mode that doesn't make the game a one-run play through.
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Aug 6, 2020 19:22
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Speaking of watching people fumble through horror games, who are the good YouTube lpers for weird/scary games who don't mug it up for the camera too much?
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Aug 6, 2020 19:29
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Alpha Beta Gamer is literally just game footage.
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Aug 6, 2020 19:32
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Manager Hoyden posted:Speaking of watching people fumble through horror games, who are the good YouTube lpers for weird/scary games who don't mug it up for the camera too much? John Wolfe is pretty good.
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Aug 6, 2020 19:33
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Alpha Beta Gamer is amazing for that kind of thing WttG2 did have a lot of edge to it, but it was a plastic edge- it was surprisingly restrained about all its hosed up content, and didn’t take itself TOO seriously (going by the secret ending) and I appreciate that
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Aug 6, 2020 19:35
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Mr. Kravin is good and also not a total rear end in a top hat like John Wolfe.
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al-azad posted:It's why I'm more interested in watching people fumble through them, it's hilarious, but this newest one has a casual mode that doesn't make the game a one-run play through. Oh yeah in terms of watching a streamer it's funnier but I'd be more interested in a designer making the "meat" of the game the scary/unnerving part.
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Aug 6, 2020 19:40
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Okay seriously has anyone actually SEEN this drat doctor on the cameras because I check like every 20 seconds and he still gets in. I don't know if I'm missing him or what 
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Aug 6, 2020 19:47
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Manly badass hero does calm commentary for a wide variety of games (but mostly smaller indie stuff alphabetagamer plays) but without face cam and he's really thorough. I am biased because he covered a jam game of mine and was real kind about it. https://twitter.com/ManlyBadassHero/status/1285411488493195264 Danaru posted:Okay seriously has anyone actually SEEN this drat doctor on the cameras because I check like every 20 seconds and he still gets in. I don't know if I'm missing him or what You can see him creeping on the camera but he's Foxy fast, you're already dead. al-azad fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Aug 6, 2020 |
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Aug 6, 2020 19:50
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al-azad posted:[snip]....am biased because he covered a jam game of mine and was real kind about it. You did that game jam one? Nice work, that was pretty neat.
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Aug 6, 2020 20:06
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Professor of Cats posted:You did that game jam one? Nice work, that was pretty neat. Thanks. It was fun watching people who have apparently never operated a motor vehicle before struggle with it then MBH just sleeps through it lol.
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Aug 6, 2020 20:08
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My recommendations for horror game LPers: John Wolfe - cynical, doesn't mug, is basically jaded with a lot of horror game conventions and is mostly just annoyed when he finds himself playing a bad game or a good game that takes a massive dive into poo poo. Mr Kravin - optimistic, endearing, doesn't mug for the camera, tends to enjoy even bad horror games if he finds them cute in how hard they're trying to scare him. ManlyBadassHero - chill, tends to be a completionist, doesn't even use a facecam outside of a couple of special vids, overall does a good job showcasing games while talking over them. AlphaBetaGamer - just straight up game footage, no talking, I don't think they always show everything in a game but they're good if you just want to see footage without any voice. CJUGames - not overly optimistic like Mr Kravin but not full on cynic like John Wolfe, he covers games and doesn't use a facecam for most of the video and will generally categorize his vids depending on if it is just him dealing with a lovely game or if he is playing something that he is actually enjoying, also his vids do include facecam but only in a clipshow section of the video where it highlights some parts he thought were worth highlighting and including his facecam to show reactions to said parts.
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FirstAidKite posted:John Wolfe - cynical, doesn't mug, is basically jaded with a lot of horror game conventions and is mostly just annoyed when he finds himself playing a bad game or a good game that takes a massive dive into poo poo.
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Cardiovorax posted:Also ironically kind of an opinionated shithead who really can't deal with criticism himself and will go on about how much he hates it when people call him out on poo poo, especially during his longer streams where he's just rambling on about whatever comes to mind. I recommend not watching those. The shorter Youtube stuff is okay. To be fair, a lot of that criticism is from youtube commenters and that stuff isn't exactly highly regarded. He does get a bit overly nitpicky sometimes but I'm not surprised because of just how much awful poo poo he has played.
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