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Big Coffin Hunter posted:No, Survivor Series 2011. Also they spent the whole build up showing how Cena could beat R-Truth and Miz by himself. So it was every Cena feud.
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triplexpac posted:Eh I dunno, if UFC has shown us anything it's that you don't necessarily need to methodically wear down a body part to get a submission. It really wouldn't bug me at all if it looked at all like Cena was hurting the guy, and not just loosely draping his arms around his neck while he shouts He also seems to think that if he grips his hands together really really hard it'll look more realistic. He often has a white-knuckle grip on his hands, while simultaneously leaving another whole head worth of space in front of his opponent's chin.
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Any of you who don't watch Main Event, you just missed out. Remember how we thought Sandow would come out as HBK on Raw? Well, push Sandow forever.
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dialhforhero posted:I think the bigger issue here (to me) is that Cena is not a technical wrestler, doesn't tend to target specific areas, and doesn't take his opponents to the ground very often, so suddenly finishing a match with a submission just seems out of it. He's too big a dude and relies on big impact spots to be a convincing guy for submissions if that makes any sense. Well, to be fair the reason they even gave him a submission move back in the day was to win a submission match, the same reason they gave Undertaker Hell's Gate after a million years without having a submission move. And I'm 90% sure that the main reason he kept it for long enough that it became a staple was because "STF-U" was an irresistible pseudo-pun, and now that he can't use it anymore it's just that he's had it for so long.
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Sanguinia posted:Well, to be fair the reason they even gave him a submission move back in the day was to win a submission match, the same reason they gave Undertaker Hell's Gate after a million years without having a submission move. Taker tried and failed for quite awhile to get a triangle choke over before that.
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Since we're having finisher talk: why does Ishii, arguably the best wrestler in the world right now, have such a lovely looking Brainbuster as a finish? Like half the time it just looks like a vertical suplex or superplex. I think it's way worse than using a lovely DVD for a finisher.
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Fauxhawk Express posted:Taker tried and failed for quite awhile to get a triangle choke over before that. He did try sprinkling bits of MMA into matches for a long time, makes sense the gogaplata was just something he wanted to do.
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Brad's still alive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxZrpHTWcqw 
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Everybody using the free week of The Network needs to watch as much NXT as they can and then they, too, will love Bo Dallas. Especially the 4 or 5 episodes after Takeover. I know they're on Hulu or something, but watch them on The Network anyway and enjoy Bo's breakdowns.
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kidcoelacanth posted:Brad's still alive This cave gets great lighting. And there's a bathroom right off the main room! I'll stay here forever!
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For those wondering what Cesaro said last night, he said "You are rotten" (or poopy if you're John Cena). This was also what was chanted back to him during the match. It doesn't look like the crowd was muted too much with the exception of the "Orton's bitch" chant when Kane came out. The post-show was Cena and Reigns posing and getting booed and cheered respectively. Then the Wyatts came out and were quickly beaten down. McStabby fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Jul 9, 2014 |
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Isn't Del Rio's contract up now or around this time?
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Roman Reigns posted:Isn't Del Rio's contract up now or around this time? I await the TNA debut of Armando "Kickin" Delgado.
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Shine posted:I await the TNA debut of Armando "Kickin" Delgado. Dixie: We're going to take the rich foreigner heel angle that WWE had with Del Rio but DO IT RIGHT! Del Rio spontaneously combusts in the ring
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I really wish they could do something, anything with Del Rio. He has a great look and is pretty good in the ring. Like just give him any gimmick. It doesn't matter which one. Edit: I think part of this is just a desire to see any non-white wrestler be consistently over. (Though I suppose we're headed there with Reigns) Like, people seriously thought the WWE was building to a new Nation of Domination since everyone Rusev kept squashing was black. But nope, it's just that every black wrestler in WWE is a low-mid carder or jobber. Blast Fantasto fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Jul 9, 2014 |
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Lyle Overbay's walk up music is Adam Rose's theme I think Aoki's walk up music is still Fandango's theme
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waffle iron posted:Bo has some words for Brazil: Bo Bo Brazil
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Just watched Main Event. Sandow as HBK getting "you screwed Bret" chants is amazing.
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I'm in bed right now, but I have to know - did he wear the sunglasses?
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Blast Fantasto posted:I'm in bed right now, but I have to know - did he wear the sunglasses? No, sadly he was dressed as modern HBK. Jeans, cowboy boots and hat, camo vest, and a lovely blonde wig. He had the tempo of his speech down perfectly though, and he did do the dance on the way to the ring.
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He also had a poorly drawn on tattoo which looked to be marker or something.
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Shima Honnou posted:He also had a poorly drawn on tattoo which looked to be marker or something. Yes, and it wasn't even the right tattoo. It was literally just the outline of a heart in red with "HBK" written across it in black. All done in sharpie. AND it was on the wrong arm. I love Damien Sandow.
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TheJoker138 posted:Yes, and it wasn't even the right tattoo. It was literally just the outline of a heart in red with "HBK" written across it in black. All done in sharpie. AND it was on the wrong arm. I love Damien Sandow. That owns so much.
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TheJoker138 posted:Yes, and it wasn't even the right tattoo. It was literally just the outline of a heart in red with "HBK" written across it in black. All done in sharpie. AND it was on the wrong arm. I love Damien Sandow. The tattoo was actually "HDK"  Somehow better.
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SteamyV posted:The tattoo was actually "HDK" Sandow for life.
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The Landstander posted:Why all the anger, HOTLANTA MAN? BNB and Bryan are on the shelf so it's been a hard life these past few weeks. Anyway I'm watching Main Event and holy poo poo ADR got bad at promos all of a sudden HOTLANTA MAN fucked around with this message at 06:43 on Jul 9, 2014 |
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HOTLANTA MAN posted:BNB and Bryan are on the shelf so it's been a hard life these past few weeks. They won't he chanting RVD, they be changing A... D... R! ... They won't he chanting RVD, they be changing B... N... B!
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Cena's finisher is basically one of the more blatant abuses of the whole 'name of power' thing finishers have going on. It's basically a glorified bodyslam, but because it's Cena and it's called the FU/Attitude Adjustment, it immediately does a million damage and pins people 98 percent of the time. You can get away with that a fair bit (side russian leg sweep, anyone?), but when you have a guy on top for 10 years it becomes REALLY noticeable.
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waffle iron posted:Bo has some words for Brazil:
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Didn't Cena also fall to his knees/on his side when he started using the FU/AA? That seemed to give it more impact because he looked like he was driving the person down into the mat more. That's why the F5 still seems powerful. Brock spins you around then slams you into the mat with all his force by driving you down. Plus 3 of them can kill Taker at WM 
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I don't think it has a lot to do with Cena specifically, the rhythms of WWE matches and their psychology necessitate one big move that's built up to and punctuates a bout (The games are even designed this way). The AA looks weak because flat back bumps look good in inverse proportion to their safety. Speaking of, was the Jackknife a Kane finisher at some point in time? I remember the SD2:KYR animation was basically a half-assed power bomb that dropped dudes on their necks at an angle Basic Chunnel fucked around with this message at 11:33 on Jul 9, 2014 |
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Static Rook posted:Didn't Cena also fall to his knees/on his side when he started using the FU/AA? That seemed to give it more impact because he looked like he was driving the person down into the mat more. Yeah, the AA looks a lot better when he's actually driving the opponent down with a forceful slam, instead of the casual "alley-oop  " he does most of the time.
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Jerusalem posted:Dixie: We're going to take the rich foreigner heel angle that WWE had with Del Rio but DO IT RIGHT! So Del Rio finally gets some heat 
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Ragnarok the Red posted:Yeah, the AA looks a lot better when he's actually driving the opponent down with a forceful slam, instead of the casual "alley-oop
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waffle iron posted:Bo has some words for Brazil: JR had better ones. http://screamer.deadspin.com/here-is-j-r-jim-ross-calling-the-brazil-germany-firs-1601968953
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Cornwind Evil posted:Cena's finisher is basically one of the more blatant abuses of the whole 'name of power' thing finishers have going on. It's basically a glorified bodyslam, but because it's Cena and it's called the FU/Attitude Adjustment, it immediately does a million damage and pins people 98 percent of the time. You can get away with that a fair bit (side russian leg sweep, anyone?), but when you have a guy on top for 10 years it becomes REALLY noticeable. Eh, I'm fine with the AA honestly. Also I'm a sucker for the kayfabe logic that certain people do certain moves better than others, which is why everyone can do a DDT but only Jake Roberts' DDT will always result in a 3 count. I can just believe that Cena does the best Fireman's Carry in wrestling from a kayfabe sense and it always puts the guy down. Also thinking more on it I like the AA since it allows for some crazy spots to be set up, like Cena's TLC match against Edge in Unforgiven 2006 where he AA'd him off the top of a ladder through three tables. Blooming Brilliant fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Jul 9, 2014 |
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Basic Chunnel posted:Speaking of, was the Jackknife a Kane finisher at some point in time? I remember the SD2:KYR animation was basically a half-assed power bomb that dropped dudes on their necks at an angle
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Basic Chunnel posted:Speaking of, was the Jackknife a Kane finisher at some point in time? I remember the SD2:KYR animation was basically a half-assed power bomb that dropped dudes on their necks at an angle Probably, but I've not seen a Fake Diesel match yet.
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pressedbunny posted:Kane's powerbombed people once in a blue moon, it's never been a finisher of his. The "dropping people on their neck" Jacknife comes courtesy of Kevin Nash. I don't remember ever seeing him land somebody on their back. I think they gave him a powerbomb around one of the times he tagged with Taker so he would have something to visually compliment the Last Ride - Thats my hazy memory of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETj7pLMzCuE
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