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raspy trashfucker posted:you edited my post in the quote to make me seem confused uh, no I didn't. I think you're mixing me up with Mr. Flunchy, I never called anyone an MRA strawman.
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Fincher's work has been a huge part of my life since my teens. Fight Club had a big impact on me and showed me how fake and corrupt our modern consumerist society is and also that the Pixies are sick and I still lol at the dick pics getting spliced into movies part. As I matured and took an Intro to Women's Studies elective freshman year of college I learned about feminism and what I learned gave me a lot of material for my blog when The Girl With the Dragon Tatoo remake hit theaters a few years ago. Oh yeah The Social Network was cool too. "I'm CEO, bitch!" 
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James Hardon posted:I still lol at the dick pics getting spliced into movies part. Same.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Hahaha, what? Fact.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:uh, no I didn't. I think you're mixing me up with Mr. Flunchy, I never called anyone an MRA strawman. don't bother trying to deny it. i've already reported you
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The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, as near as I can tell, is a story about how badly Stieg Larsson wanted to gently caress a bisexual woman with tattoos and piercings.
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Sep 28, 2014 21:47
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the bisexual girl was pierced, foul-mouthed, and wanted sex
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Sep 28, 2014 21:58
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, as near as I can tell, is a story about how badly Stieg Larsson wanted to gently caress a bisexual woman with tattoos and piercings. This is true. It is a bad book. The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo by David Fincher is a movie that is primarily about how bad the book is.
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The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is about a literal Manic Pixie Dream Girl. It's not unlike (500) Days of Summer in that the character as she appears within the phallocentric narrative is an idealization of what the male sees as lacking in his castrated self and is trapped by this patriarchal fantasy; except it's also more akin to Basic Instinct where this idealization is literally the Devil.Pirate Jet posted:The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo by David Fincher is a movie that is primarily about how bad the book is. It's the closest Fincher has made to a thematic sequel to Fight Club, because people forget that Tyler Durden is an idealized man who is directly inspired by the Narrator's encounter with the perfect woman (his 'spirit animal').
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K. Waste posted:The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is about a literal Manic Pixie Dream Girl. It's not unlike (500) Days of Summer in that the character as she appears within the phallocentric narrative is an idealization of what the male sees as lacking in his castrated self and is trapped by this patriarchal fantasy; except it's also more akin to Basic Instinct where this idealization is literally the Devil. Thanks.
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Sep 28, 2014 22:13
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The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo sucks bad in all of its incarnations and the Fincher one may be the worst one. It's why I'm pulling extra hard for Gone Girl, I wanna see him get out of that funk.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo sucks bad in all of its incarnations and the Fincher one may be the worst one. You are wrong. Except about the book being poo poo.
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Sep 28, 2014 22:59
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Yeah, those books ain't good.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo sucks bad in all of its incarnations and the Fincher one may be the worst one. Even if you like none of its incarnations, Fincher's film is easily better than Oplev's. Oplev is the one who builds this slogging procedural around a farcical romance between Blomkvist and Salander, capped off by the laughable image of the latter strolling idyllically along a promenade in the Cayman Islands. Fincher's film is tighter written, better shot, has more complex and remote characterization, and, most importantly, makes it explicit that the intentionally anti-climactic resolution of the potboiler killer mystery hasn't resolved Salander's pathology. Like, there's no weird post-coitus confession and forgiveness like in Oplev's film, nor an idealized walk along the promenade. Salander really is a Manic Pixie Dream Girl with impossible powers of sleuthing, but in Fincher's film this isn't actually enough to make her a complete person, and her trist with Blomkvist reinforces her alienation rather than partially repairing it.
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K. Waste posted:Even if you like none of its incarnations, Fincher's film is easily better than Oplev's. Nah. Oplev's film has one really good performance. Fincher's film has nothing. Also, Fincher's is more leering. Compare the sex scenes. Oplev's is awkward and uncomfortable. Fincher's is soft orange lighting and gratuitous shots of Rooney Mara's rear end. The primary value of Fincher's Girl With The Dragon Tattoo is boosting the critical reappraisal of Alien 3.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Nah. Oplev's film has one really good performance. Fincher's film has nothing. Compare Blomkvist in the book to Blomkvist in Fincher's adaptation. In the book he is a suave James Bond-esque superdetective who can't resist, and has nothing stopping him from, sticking his dick in everything in the nearest vicinity. In the movie, Blomkvist is a bumbling old idiot, and Salander is pulled in to basically salvage his massive fuckup of a contract. Lisbeth basically spends the entire movie being entirely unimpressed with his work on the project and does a vast majority of the work herself. Remember that she spends hours upon hours researching the case in an actual library whereas Blomkvist tries to sneak around outside a house with an entire wall made of glass and gets caught and tortured for his troubles. When Blomkvist rebuffs Salander at the ending, the tone is completely different from the book. The movie spends an entire, like, what was it twenty minutes? On Salander going on a cross-country trip to personally demolish the life of his prosecution from the beginning (whom it's important we never actually meet, by the way - only see him on television, adding to his omniscient presence), and immediately thereafter she's unceremoniously dumped. It was Fincher's decision to not actually have the camera appear anywhere near Blomkvist's prosecutor whose name I forget, but instead only observe him through media. So it's Fincher's decisions that change Salander from a gothic version of a "manic pixie dream girl" to a vengeful omniscient super-vigilante. And then it's Fincher's decisions that lead to the tone of the ending changing from "aw, she loves him but can't be with him!" to "AHAHAHA OH poo poo BLOMKVIST YOU hosed UP SHE IS GOING TO WRECK YOU." The concerns about Gone Girl are a little worrying, but Fincher has made two movies now that deal with masculinity's role in sexuality, and both turned out fine and well-reasoned. I'm optimistic for Gone Girl. It seems to me like the central conceit of Gone Girl, if those spoilers are true, is "Man, marriage seriously is a dumb and hosed-up idea."
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Also, Fincher's is more leering. Compare the sex scenes. Oplev's is awkward and uncomfortable. Fincher's is soft orange lighting and gratuitous shots of Rooney Mara's rear end. I feel like the awkwardness in Oplev's sex scene comes from his romanticizing of Salander and Blomkvist's relationship. With Fincher, it's a purely libidinal thing. It's not building to Salander confiding anything in Blomkvist, it's just loving. I don't see it as leering so much as Fincher just being frank - to an almost comically gratuitous sense - about lust. Both sex scenes are awkward, frankly. Fincher's film has several really good performances, and this is helped by a script that doesn't just plant the characters as melodramatic stereotypes. Christopher Plummer as Henry Vagner is particularly effective of the Vagner family, his calculated determinacy contrasting with the defeated, crying Sven-Bertil Taube at the beginning of Oplev's film. Per Myrberg's brief turn as Harald is also a great example of where Zaillian's script points up and to a certain extent intentionally plays off the simplistic construction of the original film. This directly contributes to a more threatening Martin by Stellan Skarsgard, because one realizes in Blomkvist's encounter with Myrberg that Martin - explicitly not a Nazi, nor particularly religious - has been the one playing off of the incompetent Blomkvist's rash association between Nazism and sadistic killing/rape, because he makes a loaded equation between them as 'basically the same' because they are both 'pure evil.' The most Oplev's movie does is make Myrberg pathetic, but Zaillian goes all the way in making him problematically likable, a Nazi who is a good neighbor. The religious and fascistic imagery of the killings is revealed to itself be a superficial disguise and misdirection on Martin's part, and which he is cognizant he can employ to catch the nose of the muckraking liberal journalist.
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Going back to Fight Club with adult eyes was amazing. The narrator is such a pathetic, melodramatic specimen.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:I knew nothing about the story beforehand. Honestly, I've just lost a ton of respect for Fincher as a person, he's a hell of a director but goddamn dude have some social responsibility. gaspar noe thinks rape is really good, hence the rape scene in irreversible
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Fincher's TGWTGT is beautifully shot and edited, plot and characters aside. To say it's worse than the pedestrian Swedish one is ridiculous.
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Cacator posted:Fincher's TGWTGT is beautifully shot and edited, plot and characters aside. To say it's worse than the pedestrian Swedish one is ridiculous. They're both pedestrian, but one has a good performance in it and is also five minutes shorter. It's splitting hairs because they're both like C- movies, but in addition to Noomi Rapace actually being really good, I expected nothing going into a movie by a Swedish no-name, and I expected at least something going into a David Fincher movie. Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:They're both pedestrian, but one has a good performance in it and is also five minutes shorter. It's really not splitting hairs to say that Fincher's film is good in all the ways Oplev's movie isn't. Especially if you're saying that the saving grace of Oplev's film is Noomi Rapace; since the saving grace of Fincher's film is that more than one person turns in a good performance, these good performances come out of a better script that does more with the source's manichaean premise, and that this script is directed by someone whose aesthetic and thematic eye goes beyond hackneyed television.
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K. Waste posted:It's really not splitting hairs to say that Fincher's film is good in all the ways Oplev's movie isn't. More that it's bad in all the ways Oplev's movie is, and in some new ways too.
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James Hardon posted:As an otaku pedophile redditor, the latest film from acclaimed misogynist and fellow MRA David Fincher, director of Panic Room starring Jodie Foster, is right up my alley. Looking forward to Ben Affleck being the hero and liberal use of the "c word" toward his wife. It really is cool misogyny is now "anything right of gender separation" James Hardon posted:Thanks. please don't leave, this thread needs you NutritiousSnack fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:More that it's bad in all the ways Oplev's movie is, and in some new ways too. Are you gonna discuss the movie or are you just gonna state the same opinion at people over and over again?
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GIllian Flynn on accusations of misogyny: "To me, that puts a very, very small window on what feminism is," she responds. "Is it really only girl power, and you-go-girl, and empower yourself, and be the best you can be? For me, it's also the ability to have women who are bad characters … the one thing that really frustrates me is this idea that women are innately good, innately nurturing. In literature, they can be dismissably bad – trampy, vampy, bitchy types – but there's still a big pushback against the idea that women can be just pragmatically evil, bad and selfish ... I don't write psycho bitches. The psycho bitch is just crazy – she has no motive, and so she's a dismissible person because of her psycho-bitchiness."
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Pirate Jet posted:Are you gonna discuss the movie or are you just gonna state the same opinion at people over and over again? I'd prefer to just stop talking about The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo altogether. Uncle Boogeyman fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Sep 29, 2014 |
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I'd prefer to just stop talking about The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo altogether. Why? Do you not like it?
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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:GIllian Flynn on accusations of misogyny: "To me, that puts a very, very small window on what feminism is," she responds. "Is it really only girl power, and you-go-girl, and empower yourself, and be the best you can be? For me, it's also the ability to have women who are bad characters … the one thing that really frustrates me is this idea that women are innately good, innately nurturing. In literature, they can be dismissably bad – trampy, vampy, bitchy types – but there's still a big pushback against the idea that women can be just pragmatically evil, bad and selfish ... I don't write psycho bitches. The psycho bitch is just crazy – she has no motive, and so she's a dismissible person because of her psycho-bitchiness." For anyone interested I have set out my argument that the film is misogynist here: http://www.londoncitynights.com/2014/09/gone-girl-2014-directed-by-david-fincher.html Amy totally is a psycho bitch by the way, despite Flynn's protestations.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:For anyone interested I have set out my argument that the film is misogynist here: http://www.londoncitynights.com/2014/09/gone-girl-2014-directed-by-david-fincher.html Strongly written review, even if I disagree with your premise. One thing I should mention though, in reference to this: quote:The arena for Nick's condemnation and shaming is The Ellen Abbott show. Abbott is a typical Fox Newsesque bundle of shining teeth, big-hair and perfect makeup and runs a show that appears to revolve around highlighting crimes against women. Ellen Abbott is a very specific pastiche of Nancy Grace.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Strongly written review, even if I disagree with your premise. Oh right, gotcha. Cheers for the heads up.
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What the hell is an MRA? Meal Ready to Ate?
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ruddiger posted:What the hell is an MRA? Meal Ready to Ate?
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Just came back from a screening of this tonight. Holy poo poo this was amazing. Fincher just keeps sustaining that artistic wave he's been riding. The material is so right for him and while it retains his typical visual style, it works since the script is so clever and wicked. Every moment Rosamund Pike is on screen transfixes you, which is exactly the point the film is making. The satire here is real thick, but because it deals with such a horrific relationship that resonates with modern marriages and our crime porn fascination, the film just carries so much weight. Ben Affleck just flips the switch on your emotionally as you follow his character. Can you trust him? What's he going to do next? Why am I rooting for him? It's just brilliant casting and a brilliant performance.
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Saw the movie tonight and now I'm so mad at myself for reading the book first. In knowing what's coming the whole way I definitely robbed myself. I don't think I could fairly judge it. At least 70% of the movie is in the twists and turns and I kinda have no idea how successfully they did them. At least I wasn't picturing Tyler Perry in that role. That was a surprise. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 10:00 on Oct 2, 2014 |
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Saw the movie last night, loved it. Eagerly awaiting the cavalcade of Gawker articles, should be entertaining.
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I loved the movie and thought Rosamund Pike especially, but all the actors did an amazing job of conveying things that were stated explicitly in the novel, but made a lot more implicit in their performances. My main (and perhaps only) complaint is that the movie doesn't do a good job of (are we using spoiler tags?) making Nick seem especially suspicious. The novel gets you to the point where you're almost entirely sure that they must be guilty, and that the odds are stacked against Nick before the reveal. Edit: also, lol at Fincher and Flynn claiming the ending was going to be changed, it wasn't. BOAT SHOWBOAT fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Oct 3, 2014 |
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Do not go and watch this movie with your girlfriend or you might end up probably single. Loved it, btw
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Honest Thief posted:Do not go and watch this movie with your girlfriend or you might end up probably single. What about my wife? I've read the book, she hasn't.
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