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icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Stick Figure Mafia posted:

flcl is like six episodes so it's better because there is less

flcl is better because it's well written, has a good soundtrack, and is really well animated, as opposed to klk which is godawfully written, has a mediocre soundtrack, and lovely animation

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icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Homo for Hitler posted:

While I have disdain for most anime I choose to ignore it for the most part but this anime is literally for rapists and pedophiles so maybe ban everybody who likes it

no it's more like for fat, chauvanistic, incredily sexist nerds who think sexual harassment is the height of comedy

there is a fairly large amount of anime for pedophiles that can be found on 4chan, but kill la kill is not that bad. credit where credit is due, etc

and yeah the one scene in one of klk's episodes is really creepy but in the desensitized state you have to be in to actually watch the rest of the show it's not that bad. you wouldn't be arrested for watching it, probably, unlike the aforementioned 4chan stuff

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Robo Reagan posted:

apparently yu yu hakusho is good

Robo Reagan posted:

i was twelve

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


dontcareaboutname posted:

Anime got extra really terrible in the 2000's.

it was always terrible:ssh:

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


part of the problem with anime is just that japan itself is both much looser with sexual content in general and much more sexist, so with kill la kill for example i get the feeling the average jap wouldn't really bat an eyelash at ryuuko being forced to wear a stripper outfit and then oogled by the entire male cast for laughs. the bad touch stuff i think would put them off, but the minute you start dealing with japan to begin with all bets are off as to any given piece of media being normal with regards to sex

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


mango gay touchies posted:

You don't watch a lot of anime, do you?

no, and i don't plan to thanks

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


dontcareaboutname posted:

Why is most anime like 14 minutes long if we are lucky? Like 80% of some anime is just recap opening credits, closing credits, then sneak peak.

the opening and closing credits are often the best parts though?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Srice posted:

i just watched a serbian film and wow, movies are insanely hosed up and i have no idea how any normal person could watch them

serbia is also a shithole yes.

although to be honest, while the US is probably better than japan i dont think it's that much better. it just takes a particularly egregious example to get you to see it i guess

like if you think comic books or DOTA are any better then laffo

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Al Cowens posted:

Lady thread


lol

watamote is good. in fact most recent animes i've seen or know of are good, lots of inoffensive romcoms made for teenagers. if people itt think it's all child porn i'm not really sure what to say other than i don't know where you've been looking

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Xachariah posted:

what, who was 12 and sexy?

Forgive me father, for I have sinned, I was high and bored on netflix so watched the first half Sword Art Online. Seemed like a pretty fun non-pedophily cartoon but it seems I missed something???

i think, like kill la kill, there's one poorly-considered scene somewhere in the middle of it.

unlike kill la kill the rest of it isn't soaked in misogyny and sexual harassment jokes though. apparently. i haven't seen it

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


n/m, thought that said kamina not kaneda

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008



that manga is so great. better than galactic heroes even, maybe

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Internet Kraken posted:

"gorgeously detailed"

They don't even have loving noses.

i can only imagine the gbs anti-anime brigade have the brains of gorillas and are deeply disturbed by the lack of anatomical correctness in their comic books for children

i mean for fucks say look at any side shot of an anime, they clearly have noses, it's not even true

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


the wildest rear end posted:

i dont know what these 13 pages are about but im gonna go ahead and say kill la kill was not good

controversial opinions itt

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Glasgow Kiss posted:

it was a pretty cool anime


some parts were fuckin' weird but most anime is, so it is to be expected

kill la kill was somewhat amusing to the 14 year old in me but i feel bad for watching it and the ragyo part was terrible and awful and bad

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


achillesforever6 posted:

I'm kind of surprised that the KLK thread stayed dead on ADTRW, I miss the dumb posts and cool fan art and MGR jokes :smith:

well the ova comes out in a month or two, maybe then it's be reopened

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


darealkooky posted:

if you wanna watch kill the kills you should just watch diebuster instead, which is the same show but only six episodes that are cool instead of a lot that aren't so cool

it even has anime boobs and an attempted rape scene, so it's the complete killer kills package

Gunbuster vs Diebuster is a great illustration of Gainax's decline into being completely degenerate otakus. in Gunbuster the ending where she rips her shirt off and kills all the aliens is amazing, it's not really fetishized or sexualized that much, it's more like "gently caress YEAH KILL EM ALL". i guess maybe it's evoking amazons or whatever with one breast bare. and then in Diebuster in literally the first episode the girl's shirt rips off with lots of sexualization and panty shots and she does the lightning kick thing, and it's like 100% fanservice and pandering to people who saw the original combined with sexualization of underage girls that wasn't in the original. only took like 15 years. i've also read that Anno didn't even want to put poo poo like the naked bath scene in Gunbuster and had to to sell it to video rental shops because Gainax had no money. So tl/dr Anno = cool dude, Imaishi = gross tasteless otaku

although i will say i'm not a super big fan of 80s anime so Gunbuster's art and soundtrack are kind of meh, while Diebuster's animation is astoundingly good

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Jul 16, 2014

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Lucy Heartfilia posted:

don't watch inuyasha
its bad

no

well, okay, but it's a different kind of bad than kill la kill. if you're a 14 year old it's the best poo poo ever

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008



ahahahahhahahahhaa amazing

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


darealkooky posted:

first: lol

second: gunbuster sexualized highschool girls all the loving time, even before the shirt rip at the end. I mean goddam son the original version even bothered to draw pubes for the pointless lesbian group shower scene

third: gainax is a company literally founded on being degenerate otakus, they even made a movie about it. anno loves him some anime boobs, imashi loves him some anime boobs, the other people who don't need names love anime boobs. I mean gently caress they guest animated an episode of metabots and they couldn't help but give a little girl very form fitting clothing and robot panty shots

i mean i'm not really trying to defend gunbuster 1 so much as point out that gunbuster 2 is noticeably worse

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Spacedad posted:

To be fair, aside from a few standout series, anime has been largely pretty bad lately. The industry had a great boom in the early to mid 2000s and then in the last 5-6 or so years has caved in on itself, catering mostly to otaku with un-relatable repetitive crap. Even Jojo's bizarre adventure is just an otaku pandering exercise - it's fun, but it's a hollow sugar-high rush. (And Jojos is just a faithful adaption of the 80s-90s manga.)

It's gotten so awful that the legendary Hayao Miyazaki saw fit to call it out: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/131872-Hayao-Miyazaki-Anime-Suffers-Because-the-Industry-is-Full-of-Otaku

I used to try to point people to good series a lot more, but now I hardly bother - so little of it is any good right now. I'm starting to look to other countries for possibly making breakout good series.

This is my alltime favorite anime show though, and it was back in 2003 that it had its run. It's an example of the industry when it's at its storytelling best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io3uS4uA0wI

mushi-shi? kyousougiga? chihayafuru? space dandy? fma brotherhood? tatami galaxy?

like, i haven't been following anime for long, but outside of miyazaki, from where i'm standing it appears that anime has pretty much always been like this. i mean maybe the otakus are multiplying or something, but it doesn't seem to me like there's some crippling drought of good anime being made today, just lots of really bad stuff in addition. don't watch that, problem solved

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Jul 18, 2014

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Spacedad posted:

Like I said, there are some standout series that are exceptions to what has become the rule. Also some of those came at the tail end of the good times leading into the implosion of the industry. :sigh:

you said it imploded in the mid 2000s? the oldest of the shows i mentioned came out in 2010. mushishi's second season is airing now. it doesn't seem to me like there's been any decline in the amount of good anime being made, just a much larger increase in the bad anime. and like i said, don't watch that, problem solved.

and with those comments miyazaki made, i don't think miyazaki considered stuff like cowboy bebop, flcl, planetes, whatever, as good. i know the last he worked in the 'regular'/TV anime industry was the 80s. he's an angry, bitter old man who hates nazis and makes really good movies, so that's cool, but i have a feeling he would be complaining just as bad 10 years ago.

also i just watched nausicaa, that's a pro watch right there. nothing like some good old leftie anti-war preaching. also holy poo poo the art and setting is good

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Butt Frosted Cake posted:

lol anime has always been otaku pandering i have no idea what this implosion is. all that's changed is instead of 10-15 shows per season with maybe 1 or 2 being good there's now like 30 shows per season with maybe 1 or 2 being good

yeah this

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 08:03 on Jul 18, 2014

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


i'm not really sure if the growth in popularity of nerd-anime is necessarily a bad thing though. there doesn't seem to be any more artistically meritous anime than there was in 2000 but i don't think that's a situation worthy of panic or much more than mild concern, because you should always want things to improve in general. it's not like the artistic talent is being destroyed and isn't coming back, there seem to still be competent people in the industry. it just seems panicky and ridiculous to make claims like anime being dead or terrible or whatever, especially when it doesn't seem to be any less popular than it ever was

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Spacedad posted:

It should be taken as a wake-up-call to animators and young artists in Japan to push things in a new direction.

It should also be taken as a battle-cry for western animators to maybe pick up the slack where Japanese animation has fallen. Things seem to be moving in a better direction for TV animation now in the US at least.

Really though, I can't complain TOO much as the medium that is doing exactly the things I want to see more animation do right now is games.

well that would make sense, considering video games are a new medium and are much bigger now than they were 20 years ago. it's like if tv or movie fans started screaming "NOT GOOD ENOUGH", in response to video games existing as a medium and insisted the industry was about to flop over dead any day now

in a metaphysical sense maybe we should all be screaming not good enough about everything, but i think it's OK for a medium to be established.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Hbomberguy posted:

kill la kill is good because it examines the obsession with tits, and ultimately concludes 'tits are cool I guess but so is egalitarianism, we should smash the patriarchy and capitalism'

I do appreciate that klk is honest about being a ridiculous smorgasbord of fanservice as opposed to other animes which seem to like to pretend that there is no fanservice and everything is done with pure intentions and oh my i have no idea why that panty shot's there must be a mistake.

but it's still gross and weird

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


David Copperfield posted:

i was concerned about the boobs and poo poo until i realized, :unsmith: "yeah, they're making a reason for it/making the whole point of the outfit being comfortable with your body"

no not really ryuuko is forced to wear the loving thing and is clearly uncomfortable and embarrassed as she's oogled and harassed by the entire male cast.

i guess if the show has a message it's something like 'being objectified and sexually harassed as a woman is great and you should be happy about it'

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


i finally figured out what (late?) gainax anime reminds me of, and that's newgrounds / egoraptor. i have a feeling this is not a coincidence. gurren lagann, klk, diebuster, flcl, yeah pretty much all of it seems made for hosed up 15 year old newgrounds posters / watchers

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Hbomberguy posted:

egoraptor is lovely and bad

as opposed to gainax which is definitely not weird, gross, hosed up, lovely, and/or bad

flcl is actually really good, and i admit to liking the rest of it but i'm not going to claim it's not hosed up

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Jul 20, 2014

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Hole Wolf posted:

i think you have a very strange interpretation of a show about puberty

I can see what he's saying about FLCL and I don't think he's wrong. The difference is that the hosed-up-ness of the sexuality in FLCL is one of the central points of the show, and the show is very well written and there's really not any fanservice or misogyny, while something like Gurren Lagann or KlK is poorly written, misogynistic schlock.

To put it another way puberty is inherently a gross, hosed up topic and you can't really do it justice without touching that. There is no reason a saturday morning robot cartoon about saving the world(gurren lagann) should have a big titty fanservice character

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Jul 20, 2014

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Hbomberguy posted:

I don't know how to measure depth

clearly

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


comparing things that aren't rape to rape is also creepy, and bad

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008



i havent watched any alien movies but it sounds like it has clear rape analogies or something and yeah that sounds pretty creepy

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


windex posted:

I live in Japan so like this is normal I guess.

nah i don't think it is sorry

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Beef Waifu posted:

please don't harass the anime ladies

i think the entire nation of japan is in dire need of this advice

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Davincie posted:

super hero movies suck and are killing film

good. as a proud citizen of gbs i hate all media and wish them all death and destruction

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


mango gay touchies posted:

watching too much anime in a short amount of time is bad for you

anime tolerance is built up over many years. watching too much too soon can be fatal

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Fargin Icehole posted:

I don't like anime, I figured I'd see a recommendation or something, maybe to help me think that anime might be good.


I saw this thread and it's pretty much the same creepy poo poo, except some of it is ironic i guess?

'I don't like anime, so I watched some, and I didn't like it!!!! drat goons and their animes'

but yeah read vinland saga and otoyomegatari

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


for hating anime so much, some people can't seem to stop talking about it or how X show is really great and doesn't count as anime because reasons

in other words, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWXJs06TAIc

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Fandyien posted:

big departure from jpop ... corny as gently caress

i'm seeing some contradictions here

something about asian popular music has always seemed corny as gently caress to me. like i get the feeling they would love the poo poo out of nickelback or fall out boy or some other manufactured, artistically worthless band. here people seem to feel ashamed of liking that stuff, over in asia they have no shame at all and actually prefer that because they can sing it in karaoke

sort of like the anti-hipster attitude

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jul 21, 2014

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icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


how many body pillows do you think hobohemian owns? i'll start the betting at twenty. also on the chance of him being a megasperg in some other category like magic cards or warhammer or some poo poo

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