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Poison Mushroom posted:Girl Student is definitely the Key Person, that's proven. Well, considering that the card on the Girl was a Move Vertical and the card on the Office Worker was a Paranoia +1...yeah, I'd say that's the most likely scenario?
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Jul 17, 2014 06:46
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Okay, yeah. Looking over everything again, I misread something, never mind. Okay. So we know the subplot, then. Incoming speculation about what this means for the Main Plot.
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Jul 17, 2014 06:50
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We don't know who her Misleader is, yet. I suspect that the +1 Intrigue on the School was Genuine, but I can't be sure. If so, that would mean that if we stopped the Serial Kill unexpectedly, it'd mean she'd still have a back-up Surprise Win in dropping Brain Intrigue on the School. The other possibility is that it was a feint, and that the school is not an important location. I don't like this possibility, because it feels too fragile to me. The more days we get, the more information we get. So, right now, I suspect that our Main Plot is one of the latter two. The best way to find this out would actually be to find out the alignment of the Boy Student. Unfortunately, the only person we have who could do that will stab him to death if they're alone together. So, right now, I think our best bet is to actually focus entirely on preventing a subplot loss, and see what happens with Intrigue. Edit gently caress, accidentally made a real edit. Sorry. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Jul 17, 2014 |
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Jul 17, 2014 06:57
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I agree. I think our first order of business has to be keeping the Girl Student alive and seeing what Gutter Owl does.
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Jul 17, 2014 07:21
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Well, that was a nice way to start the day.Some Numbers posted:Looks like the Girl Student is the Key Person and the Shrine Maiden is the Serial Killer? I don't see anything else that would let this happen. Completely agree with that. It seems we're playing cat and mouse with those two for the duration. Note that the Shrine Maiden cannot move to the city, so that spot should be safe.. Poison Mushroom posted:Okay. So we know the subplot, then. Incoming speculation about what this means for the Main Plot. Regarding the Main Plot, we know it isn't Light of the Avenger, because that's the only one without a Key Person. The Subplot is Shadow of the Killer, for pretty much the same reasons. With that: Plots in this set posted:
Possible Hidden Roles posted:Key Person: If this character dies, the loop ends immediately and the Protagonists lose! - The female student So, Gutter Owl, do we have to save everyone?. Feeding annoying characters (Brain, Cultist, Misleader) to the Shrine Maiden looks like an strategy. Also, do you have to use ALL the Hidden Roles or can you just put normal people if you don't have enough/don't want to use them?
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Jul 17, 2014 09:56
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Fat Samurai posted:Completely agree with that. It seems we're playing cat and mouse with those two for the duration. Note that the Shrine Maiden cannot move to the city, so that spot should be safe.. quote:Regarding the Main Plot, we know it isn't Light of the Avenger, because that's the only one without a Key Person quote:So, Gutter Owl, do we have to save everyone?. Feeding annoying characters (Brain, Cultist, Misleader) to the Shrine Maiden looks like an strategy. Also, do you have to use ALL the Hidden Roles or can you just put normal people if you don't have enough/don't want to use them?
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Jul 17, 2014 10:08
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Fat Samurai posted:Well, that was a nice way to start the day. 1) No. Only the Key Person and the Friend create a loss condition if they die. 2) I must use all the Hidden Roles called for in the plots, and only those Hidden Roles. (With an exception: There is a Character called the Mysterious Boy, who has a special passive ability: He must be assigned a Hidden Role not specified by any of the plots.) EDIT: Poison Mushroom posted:The Mastermind gets a Move Diagonally card. That's not the issue. Each character card has a symbol in the upper right, corresponding to the four locations. The white location is the character's starting location. The blacked-out locations are forbidden for the character to move to. In this case, the Shrine Maiden cannot move to the City, and the Office Worker cannot move to the school. Any movement effect which would attempt to move them into this location fails. (This is also what the Doctor's second goodwill ability refers to. The Patient character card cannot move anywhere but the Hospital.) gutterdaughter fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Jul 17, 2014 |
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Jul 17, 2014 10:11
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^^^^^^^ Thanks for the clarification. Poison Mushroom posted:The Mastermind gets a Move Diagonally card. Yeah, but the Shrine Maiden cannot go to the city under any circumstance. Look at the top right of her card. Same with the Office worker and the School.
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Jul 17, 2014 10:13
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Oh, okay, I see. Then yeah, get Girlstudent into the City, lock it down as best we can, and wait to see what Gutter Owl does with Intrigue.
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Jul 17, 2014 10:20
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(Sorry for the delay. Loop 2 Day 1 will be up this evening.)
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THE LOOP RESETS! CAN YOU PREVENT THE TRAGEDY? LOOP 2/3, DAY 1/4 LEADER: SOME NUMBERS  Day Start: Nothing happens. Mastermind Cards: Mastermind plays cards on the Girl Student, the Boy Student, and the School location!  Protagonist Cards:  Protagonists, how will you respond?
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Jul 18, 2014 07:32
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Should we play our Forbid Movements now? Force her to show what she's doing by locking down each and every one of her cards (hopefully)? That is, two Forbid Movements, and a Forbid Intrigue on the School? I've been thinking about the possibility of just moving Horizontal, but if she expected that, she might have put a Move Diagonally card on one of them, which would put them right in the killer's line of fire again.
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Jul 18, 2014 07:37
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We could move the doctor into the Shrine as well. As long as there are more than two people in a location, the Serial Killer cannot strike, right? Forbid influence in the School looks like a good move. Finally, regarding goodwill, I think the Cop isn't useful any more unless we go all in and push him to +5 goodwill. The Shrine Maiden is too risky to use and requires 5 goodwill as well. I think our best bets are Girl Student (in case the Boy Student is a Killer, we can push his Paranoia down) and Office Man (to reveal him).
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Jul 18, 2014 08:10
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Not hugely fond of blowing two OPLs on the first day. I agree with playing Forbid Movement on the Girl Student, but I'm not sure what playing one on the Boy accomplishes. Moving the Shrine Maiden into the Hospital is fine, because even if the Girl Student moves there, the Doctor is also there, so the Maiden won't be able to kill the Girl and if the Girl doesn't go to the Hospital, then the Maiden kills the Doctor, which is...fine? Do we care? I like Forbid Influence on the School, if we're expecting that it's the important location. Moving the Doctor to the Shrine is also good. I think we don't really care about the Cop and the Office Worker unless we really want to know who he is.
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Jul 18, 2014 08:17
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The possibility that one of them is the Brain still exists. Plus, it's something to do with our third card without literally feeding GO a free kill by moving the Maiden to the Doctor. One of us will play Forbid Movement on Girl Student, obviously. Then we Forbid Intrigue the School and... Maybe +2 Goodwill the Office Worker?
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Jul 18, 2014 08:33
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Also the Doctor can't leave.
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Some Numbers posted:Moving the Shrine Maiden into the Hospital is fine, because even if the Girl Student moves there, the Doctor is also there, so the Maiden won't be able to kill the Girl and if the Girl doesn't go to the Hospital, then the Maiden kills the Doctor, which is...fine? Do we care? OF COURSE WE CARE, YOU MON... wait, the rest of the hidden roles are bad for us. We don't care. Actually, it could even help us. Some Numbers posted:I like Forbid Influence on the School, if we're expecting that it's the important location. Agreed. Some Numbers posted:Office Worker unless we really want to know who he is. Knowing who the office worker is could give us a hint on the Main Plot. In the first loop GO played a Paranoia card on him, which only has any meaning if he's the Killer. Or if it was a bluff. 5 people on the board and there is a good chance of 2 of them being killers. ANIME! Poison Mushroom posted:Also the Doctor can't leave. Why not?
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I'm now imagining a group of Japanese kids sitting in a room, discussing the best way to keep the psychotic Shrine Maiden away from random Girl Student. "Well, as long as the girl is alive, does it matter who the priestess kills?" "Of course it matters you psychopath!" "I'm not a psychopath, I'm being pragmatic. We have to stop the Mastermind. That requires some sacrifice."
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Jul 18, 2014 15:32
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Sorry, I misread the doctor's thing. I'll let you guys decide on what to do with the third card, since I've been kinda trying (and failing) to quarterback a lot already. ##play Forbid Intrigue on the School (again)
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Some Numbers posted:"Well, as long as the girl is alive, does it matter who the priestess kills?" This is what I was thinking about when making that post. Anyway, unless someone comes and shouts at me, I'm ##playing Forbid Movement on the Girl Student. Rules question: What happens when we mix a Move Diagonal with a Move Horizontal/Vertical? Also, what's the difference between Intrigue and Paranoia? I swear I've seen both applied to a character.
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Jul 18, 2014 22:10
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Works for me.
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Some Numbers posted:##Goodwill +2 on the Office Worker This.
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Jul 19, 2014 00:49
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Fat Samurai posted:This is what I was thinking about when making that post. Move Diagonal + Move Horizontal = Move Vertical, and vice versa. Also, note that movement cards always "melt" into a single movement. So if the Office Worker is told to move Vertically and Diagonally (and thus move horizontally into the school), he does not partially resolve the effect. He stays put entirely. As for counters:
Basically, they're a tension mechanic--I have to choose whether to enable my roles/plots or my incidents.
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Will update with actual board images tonight, sorry. LOOP 2/3, DAY 1/4 LEADER: SOME NUMBERS Day Start: Nothing happens. Mastermind Cards: Mastermind plays cards on the Girl Student, the Boy Student, and the School location! Protagonist Cards and Resolution
Goodwill +2 (Some Numbers) and Forbid Movement (Fat Samurai) are discarded. Mastermind Abilities: Nothing happens. Goodwill Abilities: Not enough goodwill! Incident: No incident for today. End of day: ... ... ...?!  The Boy Student dies! No other events occur. Fat Samurai is now the Leader. --- The news reports came in the next morning. Unidentified high school student found dead on grounds of local shrine. Your heart leaps into your chest for the better part of an hour, but you breathe a sigh of relief when you spot your classmate on the way to school. Her usual cheer is replaced with a deep despondency, however. When you wave hello to her, she eyes you suspiciously, and runs ahead without otherwise acknowledging you. You wonder if she knows last night's victim, or worries that she does. Either way, she likely didn't appreciate your attempts to curtail her movements yesterday. You'll have to be careful in the future, if you don't want to drive her straight into the waiting clutches of your tormentor. Your heart hardens with resolve. You will not fail this time.
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Interesting that she killed him. Is she just giving us false leads because she has nothing better to do, or does she not want us to have access to his role or power?
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LOOP 2/3, DAY 2/4 - DAY OF THE MURDER LEADER: FAT SAMURAI Discards: Goodwill +2 (Some Numbers), Forbid Movement (Fat Samurai)  Day Start: Nothing happens. Mastermind Cards: Mastermind plays cards on the Girl Student, the Shrine Maiden, and the Office Worker.  Protagonist Cards: Protagonists, how will you respond?
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Jul 19, 2014 20:27
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Cop is fairly expendable; do we want to move him into the school?
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I'd be willing to bet money the card on the Office Worker is a Prevent Goodwill. If we Prevent Movement on the Maiden and try to move the Girl Student Horizontally, then it doesn't matter what the card on the Maiden is, Girl Student will be safe. We could also take a gamble with only one card, either just trying to move the Girl Student, or just trying to move the Shrine Maiden, but I feel like that could blow up in our faces. That's two cards, what do we do with the third? We could try a +1 Good Will on the office worker, but I don't see it doing anything. Maybe +2 on the Cop? That five ability is really nice, and we'd be able to get it in time for Day 4.
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Jul 19, 2014 20:44
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Is it one card per side per character then?
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Jul 19, 2014 20:49
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Poison Mushroom posted:If we Prevent Movement on the Maiden and try to move the Girl Student Horizontally, then it doesn't matter what the card on the Maiden is, Girl Student will be safe. Gutter Owl posted:
It has just hit me. The Key Person could also be the culprit in the Events. Which means that another way to kill her is to pile Paranoia on her and just wait for the third day. AND we have a Misleader running around who can drop an extra Paranoia on her.
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Fat Samurai posted:It has just hit me. The Key Person could also be the culprit in the Events. Which means that another way to kill her is to pile Paranoia on her and just wait for the third day. AND we have a Misleader running around who can drop an extra Paranoia on her. +1 on the Office Worker is the unlikely-but-safe plan that saves us a +2, but the +2 on the Cop forces Gutter Owl to split her attention between two possible Good Will targets, which is very good, since she only gets one Forbid Goodwill at a time.
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Jul 19, 2014 21:57
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Poison Mushroom posted:Actually, that's good, because if she's dropping Paranoia onto the Girl Student, and she hits 2, then we'll know she's the culprit because someone in the same location as her will keel over at the end of today (day 2). So we shouldn't kill the Doctor, that way he can act as a possible litmus test for if Girl Student is the Culprit. Nah, the move would be to put one paranoia on her and add another from the Misleader on turn 3 so she kills herself.
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Fat Samurai posted:
Like hell it is. If you've ever played one of the games that inspired Tragedy Looper (like Higurashi and Corpse Party), it's perfectly on theme for the protagonists to kill someone on pure paranoid speculation. 
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Jul 19, 2014 22:11
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Gutter Owl posted:Like hell it is. If you've ever played one of the games that inspired Tragedy Looper (like Higurashi and Corpse Party), it's perfectly on theme for the protagonists to kill someone on pure paranoid speculation. Let's kill people on pure paranoid speculation! 
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We are trying to stop some time traveling puppetmaster who calls itself the Mastermind. We can't afford to be empathetic right now. I'm okay with Goodwill +1 on the Office Worker. If GO played Forbid Goodwill, it's not a huge loss.
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Some Numbers posted:I'm okay with Goodwill +1 on the Office Worker. If GO played Forbid Goodwill, it's not a huge loss.
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Poison Mushroom posted:It's not this turn I'm worried about. It's making GO split her attention trying to keep us from capping off two different powerful Goodwill abilities. If we drop a +2 on the Officer this turn, there's no way for her to stop us from getting at least one of them by Day 4. A fair point. We're thinking Goodwill up both the Cop and the Salaryman and try to move the Girl to the City? Or was it move the girl, immobilize the Shrine Maiden and Goodwill up the Cop?
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