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Quest For Glory II
Dec 17, 2003



Sonel posted:

It's mainly linear with some side paths for abilities you'll get later in the game. You'll go back to a certain area with new abilities, but the majority of backtracking you have to just decide to do on your own.
I've been exploring everywhere regardless, the linearity means you're never punished for going off the path, it's designed that way, so if there's a vertical tunnel and you're supposed to go forward into the next room, you can drop all the way down too, and maybe it'll loop back or maybe it'll lead to secret rooms and stuff.

But it also means no sequence breaking (that I'm aware of) so this is more on the Fusion side of Metroid, but without a computer giving you 10 minute essays on what to do.

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Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


So I finished LIMBO, cool game, some of the near end levels where pretty difficult but overall a satisfying ending. Then I learn that there's a secret level hidden in one of the chapters and holy poo poo is it some impossible poo poo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ_oHJ_zBho

I'd probably spend days trying to beat this.

Poopinstein
Apr 1, 2003

Yeah you did it!

New Hero Siege DLC is out! It's just under $5 right now. Looks like an extra level, the Early Access Alpha of Multiplayer and a new class. Some other do-dads thrown in there too with hats and skins.

I tried to try the multiplayer, but I couldn't get it to let me register. I gotta think co-op Hero Siege would be pretty fun though.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006


Jacking In
Jacking Out


Poopinstein posted:

New Hero Siege DLC is out! It's just under $5 right now. Looks like an extra level, the Early Access Alpha of Multiplayer and a new class. Some other do-dads thrown in there too with hats and skins.

I tried to try the multiplayer, but I couldn't get it to let me register. I gotta think co-op Hero Siege would be pretty fun though.

It has local co-op, the best co-op . But yeah I'm pretty stoked to give it another try though I'll wait for the DLC to drop in price, the game was on sale for $0.89 a couple weeks ago

tight aspirations
Jul 13, 2009



Xaris posted:

It has local co-op, the best co-op . But yeah I'm pretty stoked to give it another try though I'll wait for the DLC to drop in price, the game was on sale for $0.89 a couple weeks ago

There'll be a lesser-priced version of the DLC, with just the cosmetic stuff removed, releasing soon.

I've tried it for a bit, and I think the changes are mostly positive, with just a couple bugs to work out.

Harlock
Jan 15, 2006

Tap "A" to drink!!!



edit: Bought

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Palladium
May 8, 2012


Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

It's disproportionately large compared to the customer base. I guess you can say that the PC gamers there are more dedicated on average, which makes sense. A smart video game company would find a way to leverage that dedication. The Japanese industry just doesn't give a poo poo. There are still a lot of companies and executives over there who think PCs are the source of all evil and somehow having a digital version available will increase piracy. Because downloading = piracy. Most of the PC publishing that happens with companies like Square Enix and Sega happen almost exclusively within their US branches, often to the disdain of their Japanese branches.

Hah, small wonder SCEA/SCEE rightfully told SCEJ to rightfully gently caress off when it comes to the PS4.

Even the piracy argument doesn't fly unless they are telling me Steam sales doesn't work in Japan like the rest of the world do. A million PC copies of Skyrim Legendary Edition not moved there for $20 each is still a respectable $20M.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Palladium posted:

Hah, small wonder SCEA/SCEE rightfully told SCEJ to rightfully gently caress off when it comes to the PS4.

Even the piracy argument doesn't fly unless they are telling me Steam sales doesn't work in Japan like the rest of the world do. A million PC copies of Skyrim Legendary Edition not moved there for $20 each is still a respectable $20M.

Does Japan even care about games like Skyrim? Maybe the games that sell big on Steam just don't in Japan.

edit: when you look at the big name Japanese devs on Steam, it's all stuff with a big Western focus.

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Palladium
May 8, 2012


Manatee Cannon posted:

Does Japan even care about games like Skyrim? Maybe the games that sell big on Steam just don't in Japan.

You are talking about a country where almost the entire telco industry thought the iPhone will never be successful there. One of them, however, tested the waters and it became a runaway hit and into complete, utter domination.

Saying there is easily untapped potential ripe for the picking for PC gaming with Steam for Japan is probably not an overstatement IMO.

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pentyne
Nov 7, 2012


Palladium posted:

You are talking about a country where almost the entire telco industry thought the iPhone will never be successful there. One of them, however, tested the waters and it became a runaway hit and into complete, utter domination.

Saying there is easily untapped potential ripe for the picking for PC gaming with Steam for Japan is probably not an overstatement IMO.

VN's are slowly getting ported over to Steam, and once the other VN companies see the insane sales they can expect during the Steam sales they'll probably translate and dump their entire portfolio onto the marketplace.

Honestly, I'm still amazed that the Touhou guy hasn't done it. It's literally just him, and for a small pittance for translation (I'm sure Carpe Fulgur would do it) he'd probably make close to a million in a few weeks.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Those games are on Playstation and Xbox (for the ten people that own one in the country). Being on PC, the platform Japan is least interested in, probably isn't gonna change anyone's minds. If they aren't interested in the games available on Steam there is no incentive to adopt the platform. Most of those games probably don't even get localized there and I bet the ones that do are as niche as a company like Atlus is here. On Playstation, anyway.

It's not really a matter of whether it can work or not. You can play PC games in Japan, they just... don't.

edit: really, the only way I see PC gaming growing is if Japanese developers start giving a poo poo. They kind of are now in the West, stuff like Dark Souls proved that there is a market for them. I actually can't think of any other game out of Japan that was developed for PC at the same time as console, let alone as the lead platform, than Dark Souls 2. That stuff just doesn't happen. Once they start porting it over for the Western audience they may as well release the PC version at home as well.

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Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


pentyne posted:

VN's are slowly getting ported over to Steam, and once the other VN companies see the insane sales they can expect during the Steam sales they'll probably translate and dump their entire portfolio onto the marketplace.

Honestly, I'm still amazed that the Touhou guy hasn't done it. It's literally just him, and for a small pittance for translation (I'm sure Carpe Fulgur would do it) he'd probably make close to a million in a few weeks.
We're talking about PC purchases in Japan and not PC purchases of Japanese games in the West. Of course well known Japanese games ported to Steam will sell in other countries, it's a no-brainer.

Lance Streetman
Feb 20, 2011

A parfait is a dessert, but it is also the French word for perfect.


pentyne posted:

Honestly, I'm still amazed that the Touhou guy hasn't done it. It's literally just him, and for a small pittance for translation (I'm sure Carpe Fulgur would do it) he'd probably make close to a million in a few weeks.

If I remember correctly, ZUN doesn't want to sell his stuff in the US because he'd have to deal with US copyright laws and the like. Especially considering how avid the Touhou fanbase is when it comes to creating stuff.

Bladesofskrm
Apr 30, 2014


Kr7stof posted:

Who will buy this for $410.97

That's a lot. Did you find any takers?
On topic, when is the next Steam sale?

Quest For Glory II
Dec 17, 2003



Bladesofskrm posted:

On topic, when is the next Steam sale?
They sometimes have a Halloween weekend sale. It's not a huge one though.

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Yeah the only big Steam sales are Summer and Winter.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



They had a big Autumn sale last year.

Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 16, 2004



Manatee Cannon posted:

Those games are on Playstation and Xbox (for the ten people that own one in the country). Being on PC, the platform Japan is least interested in, probably isn't gonna change anyone's minds. If they aren't interested in the games available on Steam there is no incentive to adopt the platform. Most of those games probably don't even get localized there and I bet the ones that do are as niche as a company like Atlus is here. On Playstation, anyway.

It's not really a matter of whether it can work or not. You can play PC games in Japan, they just... don't.
If this is in response to Pentyne's VN comment, then you're mistaken about that. Japan has a really weird PC gaming market, visual novels are actually a fairly popular game type, as there are literally tens of thousands of them released in the last 15 years, the large majority of which are on PC. Granted, there are a few aspects to this. Most of those are pornographic. Most have basically nothing else to them but the porn, some try to write involved storylines but shoehorn porn in because you can't sell romance oriented titles to males in Japan without porn.

So I guess the lesson is that if you want to increase the sales of your PC game in japan, just add in some explicit sex scenes! This is the unfortunate lesson everyone there has learned, which is why nobody who isn't willing to do that releases anything on PC. And this loops back around to being related to Steam, because some companies are looking at the success of some VNs here and trying to bring more of them onto Steam. We're going to start seeing a lot of censored VNs make their way to Steam, with the sex scenes removed. It will be fun seeing how this thread reacts.

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Palladium
May 8, 2012


Palpek posted:

We're talking about PC purchases in Japan and not PC purchases of Japanese games in the West. Of course well known Japanese games ported to Steam will sell in other countries, it's a no-brainer.

That reminds me of how Capcom refuses to do a English localization for PW:AAI2 and that getting ended up fan translated anyway. It certainty won't be CoD levels of success, but for sure whatever small sum invested in localization would be massively repaid several times over with a 3DS /iOS digital release, so I guess they really hate money even when their financials are bombing.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013


So - Mafia II. Not a fun driving simulator (real wheel drive cars on icy roads in a big city, who thought this was a good idea), chapters seem very short, I'm not sure if there is any open world stuff (I guess stealing cars?), and I feel bad because I was playing a thug before who beat up people for lunch money who just escalated to cop killer. Also gently caress you to the mandatory stealth mission.

Does the ending suck as bad as people say?

Justin_Brett
Oct 23, 2012

GAMERDOME put down LOSER

I think with AAI2 the team who translated the first one disbanded, and they didn't want to do it with another one. At least I remember hearing something like that.

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo


My favorite mob game is The Godfather. I've actually played through it more than once, I enjoyed it so much. gently caress now I kinda want to play it again. The Godfather 2 sucked, the entire playing area was like 4 city blocks. It had really brutal melee kill animations though, you'd smack someone in the jaw and see it dislocate.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Anybody remotely interesting is mad in some way or another.


If by some remote chance you don't already own Fallout New Vegas, it really is worthy of the high praise it so often gets, and has the best DLC of any major game I can think of in the last few years. If you didn't like Fallout 3, this game is much better. If you DID like Fallout 3 (I did), this game is still much better.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012


Jerusalem posted:

If by some remote chance you don't already own Fallout New Vegas, it really is worthy of the high praise it so often gets, and has the best DLC of any major game I can think of in the last few years. If you didn't like Fallout 3, this game is much better. If you DID like Fallout 3 (I did), this game is still much better.

100% agree. With the mods to fix the bugs and the save issues, it's the best open world CYOA you could ever want. You can play the game through multiple times and never have the same experience.

Palladium
May 8, 2012


Jerusalem posted:

If by some remote chance you don't already own Fallout New Vegas, it really is worthy of the high praise it so often gets, and has the best DLC of any major game I can think of in the last few years. If you didn't like Fallout 3, this game is much better. If you DID like Fallout 3 (I did), this game is still much better.

I despise how Obsidian in general gets treated like poo poo when it comes to bugs (on a Bethesda engine, no less) but when the same thing happens to Bethesda own games they get a free pass.

So support F:NV for great justice.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



pentyne posted:

100% agree. With the mods to fix the bugs and the save issues, it's the best open world CYOA you could ever want. You can play the game through multiple times and never have the same experience.

I don't, it's one of the more overrated games I've seen in recent memory. It is a good game, though. well worth playing. If a little buggy.

Accordion Man
Nov 7, 2012


Palladium posted:

I despise how Obsidian in general gets treated like poo poo when it comes to bugs (on a Bethesda engine, no less) but when the same thing happens to Bethesda own games they get a free pass.

So support F:NV for great justice.
There's just seems to be this animosity towards Obsidian by some gamers and reviewers and its just weird. They ain't perfect but Obsidian really tries to push the envelope when it comes to quality role-playing and storytellng in RPGs and they have the talent to back it up.

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Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness


Soiled Meat

Accordion Man posted:

There's just seems to be this animosity towards Obsidian by some gamers and reviewers and its just weird. They ain't perfect but Obsidian really tries to push the envelope when it comes to quality role-playing and storytellng in RPGs and they have the talent to back it up.

Every modern game they've been involved with had really blah fps shooting combat.

That's why the animosity. It's what the kiddies care about.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



There's no animosity. The games that people talk about having bugs do, in fact, have bugs. New Vegas, Alpha Protocol, or whatever else all reviewed really well and people really like them. Honestly I think it's the opposite and people gloss over the bugs because Obsidian.

edit: except Dungeon Siege 3 I guess.

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poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

it's so magical


It's why I was so glad when people started to rip into Bioware after the ME3 ending debacle. It's like, loving hell guys, the kind of writing and characters you've been whining for has already existed with other companies - they just haven't sulked on tumblr or let you gently caress them, so bleh.

Obsidian games are really no buggier than others.

Sivek
Nov 12, 2012



Manatee Cannon posted:

There's no animosity. The games that people talk about having bugs do, in fact, have bugs. New Vegas, Alpha Protocol, or whatever else all reviewed really well and people really like them. Honestly I think it's the opposite and people gloss over the bugs because Obsidian.

but, but, but Todd Howard!! Obsidian fans tend to work themselves into a lather at any perceived slight. It's really weird, and this is coming from a guy that's liked every Obsidian/Black Isle game I've played.

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Dr. Video Games 0031
Jul 16, 2004



poptart_fairy posted:

Obsidian games are really no buggier than others.

I just don't really know what to say. Fallout New Vegas is a great game that's much better than 3, but I've ran into so many more bugs in NV than 3. I've encountered an enormous amount of bugs in Alpha Protocol. The reputation was earned for a reason. Maybe you got lucky?

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

it's so magical


Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

I just don't really know what to say. Fallout New Vegas is a great game that's much better than 3, but I've ran into so many more bugs in NV than 3. I've encountered an enormous amount of bugs in Alpha Protocol. The reputation was earned for a reason. Maybe you got lucky?

NV's QA was handled by the same company that did Fallout 3's, yet Obsidian got the blame. Can't say anything for AP as it was completely smooth for me.

Point is people have a tendency to poo poo themselves silly over Obsidian's stuff without putting it into any sort of context or using any sort of perspective.

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009



I do hear quite a bit of complaining about Bethesda bugs so I think you guys are exaggerating.

I love Obsidian but even in a genre with a lot of buggy games theirs do stand out. Except Dungeon Siege 3 every game they've released shipped buggy but if you played them later most were significantly improved by patches so keep that in mind.

I'm sure console gamers see them particularly harshly because they aren't so bad when compared to other crpg devs but they are rather bad by non-budget console standards.

Tezzeract
Dec 25, 2007

Think I took a wrong turn...

New Vegas was completely broken on consoles. I actually felt embarrassed that I advised my friend to get it because it would just crash on his PS3 all the time.

Mr E
Sep 18, 2007

Thank you very much! Your post's totally hot!


Tezzeract posted:

New Vegas was completely broken on consoles. I actually felt embarrassed that I advised my friend to get it because it would just crash on his PS3 all the time.

To be fair I don't think any Bethesda-Gamebryo/Skyrim engine game works well on PS3.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



poptart_fairy posted:

NV's QA was handled by the same company that did Fallout 3's, yet Obsidian got the blame. Can't say anything for AP as it was completely smooth for me.

Point is people have a tendency to poo poo themselves silly over Obsidian's stuff without putting it into any sort of context or using any sort of perspective.

It's not that nobody knows or cares about Bethesda's bugs (as was mentioned, PS3 in particular has always been very bad and nigh unplayable for Fallout/TES). It's that nobody talks about them anymore. People do, however, bring up New Vegas all the time. You bring up a game with bugs and people will bring up that it has bugs.

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo


People bring up New Vegas the most because its the most awesome and maybe the most well known. Fallout 3 is a favorite amongst console owners as well. I mean, there were people that played Morrowind on the loving Xbox for fucks sake.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Anybody remotely interesting is mad in some way or another.


I'm installing Deadly Premonition but I recall there was some kind of issue with the PC port? Has it been patched up or is there a recommended 3rd party patch/fix I should be using with it?

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Palladium
May 8, 2012


Accordion Man posted:

There's just seems to be this animosity towards Obsidian by some gamers and reviewers and its just weird. They ain't perfect but Obsidian really tries to push the envelope when it comes to quality role-playing and storytellng in RPGs and they have the talent to back it up.

Not to mention Lucasarts forced them to rush out KOTOR2 by the holidays and Obsidian actually offered to fix up the game post-release, but Lucasarts refused. gently caress Lucasarts forever.

Even in the half finished state it's a much more brilliant game than KOTOR1 I dare say.

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