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 Today is the twentieth anniversary of Marilyn Manson's debut album, Portrait of an American Family. This is a Marilyn Manson thread. Who is Marilyn Manson? Who are Marilyn Manson? Marilyn Manson is Brian Hugh Warner, from Canton, Ohio, born January 5, 1969. Marilyn Manson is also a band from Fort Lauderdale, Florida, formed 1990 as Marilyn Manson & The Spooky Kids. The "classic" lineup of Marilyn Manson consisted of Marilyn Manson (Brian Warner) on lead vocals, Daisy Berkowitz (Scott Putesky) on lead guitar, Twiggy Ramirez (Jeordie White) on bass, Madonna Wayne Gacy (Stephen Bier) on keyboards, and Sara Lee Lucas (Fred Streithorst) on drums. Other members who have come and gone have included Zsa Zsa Speck, Olivia Newton Bundy, Gidget Gein (R.I.P.), Ginger Fish, Zim Zum, John 5, Tim Skold, and eventually a revolving door of various sidemen. Marilyn Manson is the only original member left in the band, which most recently consisted of Manson, Twiggy Ramirez (bass), Tyler Bates (guitar), and Gil Sharone (drums). OK, so what have they released in twenty years? Albums: Portrait of an American Family (1994) The debut full-length studio album by Marilyn Manson, released on July 19, 1994 in the US through Nothing/Interscope Records. This is the band's only album to have been written primarily by original guitarist Daisy Berkowitz, and the only album to feature bass by Gidget Gein, who was fired in late 1993 and passed away in 2008. It was recorded at Criteria Studios in Miami and produced by Roli Mosimann and Trent Reznor. Antichrist Superstar (1996) The second full-length studio album, released on October 8, 1996 in the US through Nothing/Interscope Records. It is a rock opera concept album and the first installment in a trilogy that includes Mechanical Animals and Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death). It was recorded at Nothing Studios in New Orleans and produced by Trent Reznor. This is the last Marilyn Manson album to feature original guitarist Daisy Berkowitz. Mechanical Animals (1998) The third full-length studio album, released on September 15, 1998, through Nothing/Interscope Records and marked the beginning of the band's brief foray into glam rock, a sharp contrast to the harsh and abrasive industrial rock and metal sound of their earlier and succeeding efforts. This is the only Marilyn Manson album to feature touring member Zim Zum on guitar. Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death) (2000) The fourth studio album, released in November 2000 through Nothing/Interscope Records. The album marked a return to the industrial and alternative metal style of the band's earlier efforts, after the modernized glam rock sound of Mechanical Animals. A rock opera concept album, it is the final installment in a trilogy that includes Antichrist Superstar and Mechanical Animals. After its release Manson revealed that the overarching story within the trilogy is presented in reverse chronological order; Holy Wood, therefore, begins the story. It was written in the singer's former home in the Hollywood Hills and recorded in several "undisclosed" locations, including Death Valley and Laurel Canyon. Bassist Twiggy Ramirez left the band after touring for this album. The Golden Age of Grotesque (2003) The fifth full-length studio album, released on May 13, 2003 in the US through Nothing/Interscope Records. It was the last Marilyn Manson album to feature guitarist John 5 and keyboardist Madonna Wayne Gacy, and the first to feature former KMFDM member Tim Skold. Eat Me, Drink Me (2007) The sixth full-length studio album, released on June 5, 2007 through Interscope Records. Essentially a solo album by lead vocalist Marilyn Manson, it was recorded in a rented home-recording studio in Hollywood by Manson and guitarist/bassist Tim Sköld. The album was produced by Manson and Sköld, and mixed by Sean Beavan. The High End of Low (2009) The seventh full-length studio album, released on May 26, 2009 through Interscope Records. It was the last Marilyn Manson album released by long-time record label Interscope Records and was produced by Sean Beavan and Chris Vrenna. This is the last album to feature drummer Ginger Fish, and the first since 2000 to feature Twiggy Ramirez. Born Villain (2012) The eighth studio album, released on May 1, 2012. Born Villain is the first album released through vocalist Marilyn Manson's Hell, etc. imprint, distributed by Cooking Vinyl. The album was recorded by Manson, Ramirez, and Chris Vrenna at "Zane-a-Due," a studio in the former home of Billy Zane. Live albums: The Last Tour on Earth (1999) A live album comprising recordings from Marilyn Manson's Mechanical Animals and Rock Is Dead tours, recorded in Cleveland, Ohio; Grand Rapids, Michigan; Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and elsewhere. "The Last Day on Earth" was recorded in Las Vegas on the Mechanical Animals Tour. Some of the tracks are prefaced with spoken diatribes. The album includes one new studio track, "Astonishing Panorama of the Endtimes", and three previously unreleased songs. EPs: Smells Like Children (1995) An EP released on October 24, 1995 in the US through Nothing/Interscope Records. It was produced by Manson and Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails. The release, created and composed throughout the touring cycle in support of Portrait of an American Family, was initially proposed to strictly be a remix single for "Dope Hat", with contributions by Reznor, Skinny Puppy producer Dave Ogilvie, and NIN keyboardist Charlie Clouser; but the addition of new material by the band along with cover songs and a variety of interview clips and experimental compositions expanded it to album length. Remix & Repent (1997) A five-track EP intended as a companion piece to Antichrist Superstar. It was released on November 25, 1997 and features remixes and alternate versions of songs from Antichrist Superstar, and live tracks recorded during the Dead to the World tour. What's going on with Marilyn Manson right now? The band will be releasing some new material, co-produced by Tyler Bates, in the near future. A portion of the upcoming single "Cupid Carries a Gun" is currently being used as the theme music for the series Salem. Mr. Manson has been focusing on acting, having recently appeared on Californication, Eastbound & Down, and in the film Wrong Cops. He can currently be seen as imprisoned white supremacist "Ron Tully" in the current season of Sons of Anarchy. He is not a particularly talented actor. Marilyn Manson tweeted on September 2 that "the new album is prepared for landing." The single "Third Day of a Seven-Day Binge" premiered on October 26. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRKsF17wY30 The new album, The Pale Emperor, is out January 19.  1 Killing Strangers 2 Deep Six 3 Third Day of a Seven Day Binge 4 The Mephistopheles of Los Angeles 5 Warship My Wreck 6 Slave Only Dreams to Be King 7 The Devil Beneath My Feet 8 Birds of Hell Awaiting 9 Cupid Carries a Gun 10 Odds of Even Deluxe Edition bonus tracks: 11 Day 3 12 Fated, Faithful, Fatal 13 Fall of the House of Death What's going on with the other/former band members? Daisy Berkowitz (Scott Putesky) was in several bands including Three Ton Gate after Marilyn Manson, but has recently reverted to the Daisy Berkowitz stage name. Late last year he announced he had been diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer. He is currently undergoing treatment and his prognosis is good. He is extremely active on the Internet, engaging with fans in monthly chat sessions and sharing new and rare tracks on his SoundCloud page, https://www.soundcloud.com/3tgtunes. Ginger Fish (Kenny Wilson) now drums for Rob Zombie. John 5 (John Lowery) has released several solo albums of instrumental guitar compositions, and has also toured with Rob Zombie. Madonna Wayne Gacy (Stephen Bier) is back in Florida working on some sort of musical project called MMII. Listen to "Delta-9" here. Tim Skold most recently produced an album, Infamous, for Pennsylvania metalcore band Motionless in White. He also records as SKOLD and occasionally collaborates with KMFDM. Any tour dates coming up? Jan 21 - The Fillmore - Silver Spring, MD Jan 23 - Electric Factory - Philadelphia, PA Jan 24 - Starland Ballroom - Sayreville, NJ Jan 26 - Terminal 5 - New York, NY Jan 27 - Paramount - Long Island, NY Jan 28 - House of Blues - Boston, MA Jan 30 - Stage Ae - Pittsburgh, PA Jan 31 - Sands - Bethlehem, PA Feb 2 - Sound Academy - Toronto, ON Feb 3 - Fillmore - Detroit, MI Feb 5 - Riviera Theatre - Chicago, IL Feb 6 - Mystic Lake Casino - Prior Lake, MN Feb 7 - Eagles Ballroom - Milwaukee, WI Feb 9 - The Pageant - St Louis, MO Feb 11 - Fillmore - Denver, CO Feb 13 - Marquee - Tempe, AZ Feb 14 - House of Blues - Las Vegas, NV Marilyn Manson will be performing at the Soundwave festivals in Australia in February and March, and at the Rock am Ring and Rock im Park festivals in Germany in June. So, I really love this band Marilyn Manson. I've got somewhat less love for the guy Marilyn Manson. Let's talk about them. This Is the Zodiac fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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The most recent recording would be the theme song to Salem (TV Series), called "Cupid Carries A Gun". Supposedly it is from a forthcoming album. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVT4XstTLxo Sounds like it could have been on Antichrist, in my opinion. Which is to say, I dig it.
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Jul 19, 2014 07:43
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Masonic Youth posted:He is not a particularly talented actor. Ehm, wrong? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEqsVCmZarY
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Jul 19, 2014 16:38
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Man, I really liked Manson back in the day. Still do like their older stuff (up to Holy Wood, which may have been their best album).
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Jul 19, 2014 16:59
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Whatever the legal situation is with some of their earlier material, I think it can be stated as fact that it completely fucks up their Spotify page.
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Jul 19, 2014 17:36
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I like everything up to Golden Age of Grotesque. He kind of lost his way at that point if you ask me. His ego and drug use got out of control, and he has driven basically every talented person out of the band. I'm embarrassed to be a fan of his earlier work because he's such a joke at this point. I actually prefer the Spooky Kids era stuff to anything else. Manson started taking himself WAY too seriously by the late 90s, and he became the joke.
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Jul 19, 2014 17:50
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Portrait's still their best if you ask me, which is probably an odd opinion to have since I generally like electronic sounding stuff. It's just that going in that direction made them seem more like a NiN offshoot when they very much had their own identity on PoaAF.  AS has a lot of good songs but I think is brought down a bit by the tracks that move the 'story' along. Typical artist overreach I suppose.
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Jul 19, 2014 18:36
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The Singing Chav posted:Portrait's still their best if you ask me, which is probably an odd opinion to have since I generally like electronic sounding stuff. It's just that going in that direction made them seem more like a NiN offshoot when they very much had their own identity on PoaAF.
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Jul 19, 2014 19:43
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I liked his first three albums but kind of lost interest after Holy Wood, glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks he's a total joke now. Honestly I think the Columbine notoriety went to his head. He had to keep up the shock to keep selling records, and that's what ruined him.
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Yeah, I really liked everything up to Golden Age, but after that it just hasn't been as good to me. I've still given every album since then a try, and I always hope it'll be catchy. Mechanical Animals was a great album, I feel that any one of those songs could stand on their own as a single. I learned how to play guitar and bass by playing Manson, GWAR and Bad Religion, Manson was a huge influence for me as a beginner as most of the songs had the same sort of general pattern (and were super catchy!)
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I saw a tiny article in Spin around '93-'94 about MM and I was intrigued so I had my mom drive me to the record store and bought Portrait when it came out. I remember being floored by the imagery of that era and spent a lot of time online during the early days of AOL searching Marilyn Manson, I even called the number from the liner notes and Im pretty sure it was disconnected at the time. Another time I was in the Mall of America and saw the Lunchbox single CD with Down in The Park at a Sam Goody, I think. I waited until we were on the 3rd floor and said I had to go to the bathroom and booked it back down the 1st floor to buy that CD. I didnt want my aunt to think I was some weirdo listening to this Marilyn Manson character. Only later did I learn to appreciate the guitar playing of Daisy Berkowitz and feel like he carried that band up until his departure. I was on board through SLC and Antichrist, but thats kind of where it all falls apart for me. I still have this poster somewhere in my closet.....good memories! I wish I could find that Spin article that introduced me to MM. 
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I'm really glad others consider Golden Age of Grotesque the last good album. I was under the impression it was generally thought of as the beginning of the end, but it has some really great tracks and John 5 is a killer guitarist, despite feeling a lot more manufactured/less genuine than the ones that came before.
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This Is The New poo poo is a brilliant send up of popular music, and Mobscene is another. Warner has some things to say, when he's not absinthed out of his mind. EDIT: Hell, not just popular music, consumer culture. CAPT. Rainbowbeard fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Jul 20, 2014 |
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Jul 20, 2014 15:42
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The Singing Chav posted:Portrait's still their best if you ask me, which is probably an odd opinion to have since I generally like electronic sounding stuff. It's just that going in that direction made them seem more like a NiN offshoot when they very much had their own identity on PoaAF. I not yet embarrassed to be a NIN fan at this point though, and I hope I never have to be.
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Isnt the going theory that Reznor wrote a whole loving bunch of Antichrist superstar? I mean that and Reznors work around the same time are pretty much identical, he just wanted a different mouthpiece to put it through incase it didnt sell well. its a great album regardless, and probably my favorite. I really enjoy manson and it was a huge part of my teenage years to listen to that music. Golden Age was pretty lovely though (I started with Holywood) and I thought there was some nice solo's on eat me drink me, despite thinking Tim Skold utterly ruined the band (along with everything else he touches) I think my friend put it the best when GAOG came out. "he just sounds like a caricature of himself" The last time I saw him live was Soundwave 2 (3?) years ago and he barely made it through a lovely set while Twiggy looked bored and the 2 young nobodies tried to salvage what was left of the set to save their future careers. They were followed by Limp Bizkit, who put on an infinitely better show. When that is how a 10 year fan remembers your set, there is something wrong.
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Leon Einstein posted:I not yet embarrassed to be a NIN fan at this point though, and I hope I never have to be. There's no need because Trent is genuinely a brilliant, inventive and versatile artist who actually has his poo poo together. The funniest bit about Manson I remember is from a "Celebrity encounters" thread here on SA where someone who worked at a large-ish venue for a long time said that Manson was a complete douche who "wasn't interested in talking with you unless you A) had drugs or B) were a hot girl" and treated everyone in his band and road crew like complete poo poo. The post ended with "Also, he is NOT rich." Anyway I guess Portrait and Antichrist are good albums but nowadays I struggle to listen through them because I can't help but remember what a turd the guy is.
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I was also a fan of Manson until Eat Me, Drink Me. I always felt he got pegged as a goth/shock artist when he actually made really catchy, good pop music. Then EM,DM came out and it was such a monumental step down. Everything since then is unlistenable.
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Laserface posted:Isnt the going theory that Reznor wrote a whole loving bunch of Antichrist superstar?
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BobbyHeenanTinyHat fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Aug 27, 2018 |
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Jul 21, 2014 16:55
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I remember being in high school and what music I listened to mattering. Those were the days, huh?
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Leon Einstein posted:I agree. Portrait was probably the most original sounding thing they've done. Scott Putesky really did make the band, and it's a shame that he was kicked out. Wormboy stands out as an oddball on ACS, and it'd have been interesting to hear some of his other music on the album. I know he wrote the main riff to Irresponsible Hate Anthem, as I heard a bootleg from long before that album where he was playing that riff while warming up. M1TCH3LL posted:I absolutely do not doubt that Manson has or had limited funds though. Wasn't he living above a shop somewhere not too long ago? This Is the Zodiac fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Jul 21, 2014 |
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Jul 21, 2014 21:26
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Stephen Bier won 380k in his lawsuit against Manson too. That was just a tiny bit less than the 20 million he was asking for, but I don't think Manson had it anywhere near that much.
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Holy Wood, Antichrist, Mechanical and Portrait are really good albums. Grotesque was pretty good, but Eat Me Drink Me was just awful. The one after that was ok, but Born Villain is dull as heck.
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Leon Einstein posted:Stephen Bier won 380k in his lawsuit against Manson too. That was just a tiny bit less than the 20 million he was asking for, but I don't think Manson had it anywhere near that much. Edit: Never mind, missed the post explaining who he is Didn't he also get a guitarist to quit by giving him the slient treatment all day and then saying "Happy Birthday, human being?" or something like that? El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Jul 22, 2014 |
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henpod posted:Holy Wood, Antichrist, Mechanical and Portrait are really good albums. Grotesque was pretty good, but Eat Me Drink Me was just awful. The one after that was ok, but Born Villain is dull as heck. This is pretty much how I feel. I really like about half of Grotesque, and I like it's aesthetic, but it mostly seems like he was running out of things to say. Then by the time Eat Me, Drink Me came out he had completely ran out of things to say. There's one song I like on High End Of Low (Four Rusted Horses, if you were wondering) but even it's too long and too repetitive. I can't even name a song off of Born Villain and I have that album on my iPhone.
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I really enjoy how every album after GOAG has been 'the next ACSS, guys, we promise!' Sorry Manson but unless you get the OG lineup back, lose 50 pounds and make amends with Trent, nothing is gonna sound that good ever again. I thought having Jeordie back in the band might have helped (he wrote a lot of Mechanical Animals and Holywood, from memory) but hes too disinterested to be of any benefit.
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A few guys I knew in HS would talk about the group on a seemingly daily basis back in the late 90s. I was never a big fan but a handful of the songs have grown on me over the years like The Dope Show. One of the more memorable music videos from that period: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNEolxBmso
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Zogo posted:A few guys I knew in HS would talk about the group on a seemingly daily basis back in the late 90s. I was never a big fan but a handful of the songs have grown on me over the years like The Dope Show. The Spawn soundtrack was so much better than it had any right to be.
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This was the very first Manson video I ever saw, and the first Manson song I ever heard. I think I must have been twelve back then. After watching it I had absolutely no idea whether he was male or female. And that was quite some time before we had an Internet connection, so I couldn't even look it up. It was hilarious.
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M1TCH3LL posted:The androgyny thing was common. In secondary school, I was constantly asked by the non-goth kids if Manson was a man or a woman because they'd all gone into Virgin Megastores and seen the Mechanical Animals cover. Also, pretty much EVERYONE, even the teachers and the kids I didn't expect to know that rock was a genre of music, knew the myth about having a rib removed to suck himself off. What blows -my- mind is how he didn't leverage ANY of his wild superstardom into much of anything that lasted more than a few years. I guess that happens all the time, but I can't think of many other examples of a band that was as HUGE as Manson in their heyday, and then went as far in the other direction right afterward.
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BobbyHeenanTinyHat fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Aug 27, 2018 |
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M1TCH3LL posted:It's rare, for sure. I mean, look at the big acts when he was at his height: I don't know honestly, but didn't Limp Bizkit recently do a reunion tour that did very well? I thought I read something about that. You could also throw Faith No More into that, although they're a little different. Tool and Pearl Jam are as popular as ever, still selling out huge venues. Even Smashing Pumpkins, whatever people think of the post-breakup material, are still touring and getting decent crowds. Even relative flash in the pan bands (don't shoot me, I'm talking commercial hits not whatever else) like Soul Asylum are still around, making albums and doing fine for themselves. I've always wondered if it's because Manson was largely successful because in a lot of ways he embodied a good bit of the mid-90s zeitgeist almost perfectly, and like someone posted above, he just ran out of new things to say. edit: Marilyn Manson: The Mo Rocca of Rock Music I wonder if we're going to start hearing him on Wait Wait Don't Tell Me Platypus Farm fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Jul 23, 2014 |
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Platypus Farm posted:I wonder if we're going to start hearing him on Wait Wait Don't Tell Me
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Zogo posted:A few guys I knew in HS would talk about the group on a seemingly daily basis back in the late 90s. I was never a big fan but a handful of the songs have grown on me over the years like The Dope Show. I remember seeing that music video and thinking Kelli Ali of Sneaker Pimps was in it. Sadly I don't think that is the case. TheJoker138 posted:The Spawn soundtrack was so much better than it had any right to be. The Spawn Soundtrack was all kinds of awesome. M1TCH3LL posted:It's rare, for sure. I mean, look at the big acts when he was at his height: The thing about the other bands is that they usually tried to change their sound to stay relevant, but never strayed too far from what made them popular in the first place. Two good examples of this of bands from the 90's that remained relevant by changing their sound would be Radiohead - who change their sound with every album but you can still tell it's a Radiohead song, and Deftones and change their sound often within the same album but still release solid albums. With MM I think people just got bored with his shtick. The problem with being a shock rocker is that once the shock wears off, people lose interest and you have depend on the music to carry you. This is why people who are fans of the music will stick around but everyone else will just move on to the next thing. If MM were to follow any other rocker who should have done what Alice Cooper did, and keep the aesthetics but not try so hard. If anything, Manson was poised to be the Alice Cooper of his generation, but his generation has moved on.
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Linkin Park is bigger than ever? Any time I hear someone talking about Linkin Park in public (it doesn't happen often) I have to avert my eyes to not give them a weird "they still make people like you?" look. I expect them all to be 15 year olds wearing pants with a bunch of lovely belts hanging off of them and greasy hair. Linkin Park, even more so than bands like Limp Bizkit, represent to me the worst of the nu-metal bullshit from the early 00's. They were mostly a boy band with a guitar and a lovely rapper, and all of their songs were about how angry they were at their mom for making them clean their rooms.
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TheJoker138 posted:I expect them all to be 15 year olds wearing pants with a bunch of lovely belts hanging off of them and greasy hair. That's it though. They released their first album nearly 15 years ago. That they STILL get 15 year olds to listen to their music is why they're still so big,
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I guess since I was so into Manson in Jr High and High School I never realized how quickly he faded after Holywood. I think I got GOAG but I wasn't aware that he had released any albums since.
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