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enraged_camel posted:An American friend of mine emigrated to Australia. He got his residency in two years, and full citizenship two years after that. This is in contrast to America, where the welfare system is utter poo poo and it takes anywhere from 10-20 years to become a citizen. A lot of immigration systems are biased to the wealthy (Spain as you mentioned, Canada is also similar), which is fundamentally different from the usual issues that plague the US regarding immigration. A reform to the H1B system though or something like the article mentioned would probably be in line with that though.
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enraged_camel posted:You are kidding right? America has a visa category specifically for rich foreigners. It's called the "emigrant investor" visa. Yeah, but it's not as permissive as "buy a house, get permanant residency". The point in any case was that most of the US's immigration problems would remain unsolved if you only focused on rich immigration.
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Powercrazy posted:We don't really need any more Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerburgs, nor do we need another Jeff Bezos, or Larry Ellison anymore then we need another family of Waltons or Kennedy's. The "Great Man" fairy tale is honestly a pretty destructive outlook that contributes a lot to American Exceptionalism, and the Just World that makes people think poor people are just lazy. Going too far in the other direction can be harmful though, eg "Our culture (of white people) creates many great individuals that wouldn't be possible in that other culture (of black people)".
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VideoTapir posted:How is that the other direction? Because it's a rejection of the "Great Man" in favor of the "Great Culture".
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Jul 24, 2014 19:56
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enraged_camel posted:I think the former is an extension of the latter, actually. Plenty of libertarians would disagree with you, but in any case it's very much possible for people to exemplify culture without exemplifying specific people.
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Jul 24, 2014 21:20
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on the left posted:You should have been part of an important racial voting block, then immigration laws wouldn't apply to you. We prioritize the indios. "Heh, get in line like everyone else". *uses literally the quickest visa method that takes under a year to process*
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Jul 26, 2014 05:53
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on the left posted:Note that you don't have to be anti-immigration to point out the double standards that the US has created for immigrants from Latin American countries vs practically every other country. Hmm yes I suppose that if you ignore that these people are willing to do backbreaking work and live in abject poverty for decades that sure is a double standard.
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Jul 26, 2014 07:33
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on the left posted:I don't know why you'd want to encourage that kind of job creation in the US. I don't, I want to encourage safe and free access for all workers. My point is that you're literally parroting GOP nativist rhetoric and assuming they're all just lazy
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Jul 26, 2014 17:00
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vssrio23 posted:What is the connection between winning a robotics competitition and achieving financial success? Evidently the correlation between losing one is pretty high.
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Jul 26, 2014 17:36
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vssrio23 posted:That is correct. He was removed because he had no legal right to enroll. It is also likely a fact that he submitted falsed information to the school. College entry forms clearly require you to truthfully submit the status of your immigration status upon request for admission. It said he dropped out because Arizona passed a law that restricted aid from undocumented immigrants. quote:You are also correct. No one did explicitly say that they should be as successful as the MIT students in writing. However, why were the MIT students used as a figure of merit for comparison? Is it not implicit in this article's reasoning, and indeed this documentary's, that these kids could have been as successful as the MIT students if, as you say, they were given a "chance"? Generally people from MIT are considered, you know, smart and successful. quote:My point is that it is absurd to conjecture that by merely winning a robotics competition a student has an equal chance to acheive any type of financial success than runner-up student.
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vssrio23 posted:What is the percentage is this "very good chance"? More importantly, after going to this "top university", how do you know each one of these students will be able to mimic their success at the competition during 4 years of advanced-level courses? Hahaha what is this? Either they're perfect students so being illegal immigrants doesn't matter or they're hooligans and so we shouldn't change the law.
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