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Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005

OFFICIAL BITCH OF DANBO DAXTER




Oven Wrangler

Cool, done with the OS war argument and now we can move on to the cloud equivalent. It's almost as if someone doesn't know the world doesn't revolve around them.

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RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

Http 418


Internet Explorer posted:

Cool, done with the OS war argument and now we can move on to the cloud equivalent. It's almost as if someone doesn't know the world doesn't revolve around them.

spoilsport

freeasinbeer
Mar 26, 2015

urf. urg. mmph. i'm a stupid blind guy with no legs. urrrg. hurble. i'm homeless. gblgblbgblgblgble

I’m in AWS and GCP, so it doesn’t seem that compelling. Gcloud has a few features that are way ahead (global flat networks(I can route from Singapore to Frankfort to Ashburn in one VPC), better CI stuff and GKE is the best k8s) and AWS is the best all around cloud.

Azure has some interesting stuff but it doesn’t offer anything that compelling.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005

OFFICIAL BITCH OF DANBO DAXTER




Oven Wrangler

freeasinbeer posted:

I’m in AWS and GCP, so it doesn’t seem that compelling. Gcloud has a few features that are way ahead (global flat networks(I can route from Singapore to Frankfort to Ashburn in one VPC), better CI stuff and GKE is the best k8s) and AWS is the best all around cloud.

Azure has some interesting stuff but it doesn’t offer anything that compelling.

Doesn't offer anything that compelling for you.

Or maybe the world does revolve around you, who knows? How's getting your laptop to stop rebooting on you in the middle of the day going?

MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

around and around we go


Thanks Ants posted:

The AWS thread in the Cavern of COBOL is sort of also an all public clouds thread

I always forget that place exists. I am certain that I have missed much!

E: "AWS is the best all around cloud" is a humdinger of a sentence.

Sickening
Jul 15, 2007

Black Summer was the best summer.

freeasinbeer posted:

I’m in AWS and GCP, so it doesn’t seem that compelling. Gcloud has a few features that are way ahead (global flat networks(I can route from Singapore to Frankfort to Ashburn in one VPC), better CI stuff and GKE is the best k8s) and AWS is the best all around cloud.

Azure has some interesting stuff but it doesn’t offer anything that compelling.

Lol.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007

RICKARUS

It's Moot baby!




freeasinbeer posted:

I’m in AWS and GCP, so it doesn’t seem that compelling. Gcloud has a few features that are way ahead (global flat networks(I can route from Singapore to Frankfort to Ashburn in one VPC), better CI stuff and GKE is the best k8s) and AWS is the best all around cloud.

Azure has some interesting stuff but it doesn’t offer anything that compelling.

Lmao it's you again

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

It always was

GCE is cool because it doesn't actively hate me the way a product built by amazon in 2004 to address amazon's internal needs does.

freeasinbeer
Mar 26, 2015

urf. urg. mmph. i'm a stupid blind guy with no legs. urrrg. hurble. i'm homeless. gblgblbgblgblgble

Internet Explorer posted:

Doesn't offer anything that compelling for you.

Or maybe the world does revolve around you, who knows? How's getting your laptop to stop rebooting on you in the middle of the day going?

It wasn’t mine, it was a coworkers that got Jamf-ed as we dipped our toes back into allowing it on our laptops and he was the guinea pig. As a division we’ve avoided centralized management because of issues like that in the past. The point I was trying to make there is that there are a lot of user hostile stances that breed anger for little return. In this case it just means that we keep our poo poo off central management(if we have a half decent partner in IT we’d reconsider it makes us do more work).



And it was implied that I was talking from my perspective. ACS has some ok things and if I was a .net shop I’d be looking at it for managed k8s. Their virtual kublet has also beaten fargate/EKS to the market.

There is also a mongo wire compatible db engine that might be interesting if you are heavily into mongo.


As far as AWS, it’s the largest player in the cloud world, gets first class support for things like TF faster and is the default target for just about anyone going to the cloud. Does it have some narly limitations? Yes. Are there some really lovely offerings? Yes. But as far as breadth and depth it blows GCP and Azure out of the water.

Tailored Sauce
Mar 26, 2006

All aboard the Gravy train!

I've had to deal with Azure classic for a while and getting it to migrate to ARM has been a pain, but once all that's done Azure is pretty great (insanely easier if you know PowerShell). Migrating a classic VNet to a new ARM ExpressRoute was only a 4-line script.

Tab8715
May 20, 2006


Tailored Sauce posted:

I've had to deal with Azure classic for a while and getting it to migrate to ARM has been a pain, but once all that's done Azure is pretty great (insanely easier if you know PowerShell). Migrating a classic VNet to a new ARM ExpressRoute was only a 4-line script.

Azure Service Manager was god awful.

Azure Resource Manager is insanely awesome. And a worthy competitor towards AWS, GCP, etc.

Sudden Loud Noise
Feb 18, 2007


Vulture Culture posted:

"We do all our testing in production" is an appropriate solution for an ever-increasing number of companies

This only "works" because management is still very willing to fire a low-level employee when something goes wrong in production.

The process is perfect, we just need to get rid of a person if an executive ever experiences an issue.

GnarlyCharlie4u
Sep 23, 2007

I have an unhealthy obsession with motorcycles.

Proof


Methanar posted:

iperf3 wasn't part of the testing?

lol what the gently caress is that? it sounds expensive.
we just used a flashlight.

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair


Judge Schnoopy posted:

I'm a huge powershell fan so to me, nothing. To anybody else in the industry we talk to, they look at us like we're insane.

I know people will take their preferred shell/scripting language to the grave, but caring what people use to SSH into stuff/interact with an API seems like a bit much.


Also today I used PowerShell and gShell to do what would have been days of work for me and my coworker in uhhhhhhh.... about 8 lines of code. (Plus an Excel macro and a gSheet script.)

Inspector_666 fucked around with this message at May 24, 2018 around 03:46

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer

Can we do a ruby vs python fight soon?

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

It always was

jaegerx posted:

Can we do a ruby vs python fight soon?

Ruby's runtime overhead is bullshit

Sickening
Jul 15, 2007

Black Summer was the best summer.

jaegerx posted:

Can we do a ruby vs python fight soon?

I am a tech person at my first job for a startup, I know what I am talking about here.

nullfunction
Jan 24, 2005



Sickening posted:

I am a tech person at my first job for a startup, I know what I am talking about here.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

Breaux, Breaux, you seen a defense around here anywhere!?


Sudden Loud Noise posted:

This only "works" because management is still very willing to fire a low-level employee when something goes wrong in production.

The process is perfect, we just need to get rid of a person if an executive ever experiences an issue.

“Testing in production” is essentially a requirement once you’re building web apps at a certain scale. You simply can’t generate the requisite amount of variety of traffic and interactions to truly test internally. Canary releases and the like are you only real option. And many very successful companies do this very well.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty



Methanar posted:

Ruby's poo poo

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012



Grimey Drawer

Sickening posted:

I am a tech person at my first job for a startup, I know what I am talking about here.

Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

It always was

Sickening posted:

I am a tech person at my first job for a startup, I have no idea what I am talking about here.

Methanar fucked around with this message at May 24, 2018 around 06:36

nielsm
Jun 1, 2009




Fallen Rib

YOLOsubmarine posted:

“Testing in production” is essentially a requirement once you’re building web apps at a certain scale. You simply can’t generate the requisite amount of variety of traffic and interactions to truly test internally. Canary releases and the like are you only real option. And many very successful companies do this very well.

But then they aren't testing against all users at once, and there is an automated migration and a roll-back plan in place before deployment.
When people talk about testing in production, what I think of is an elite hacker editing their PHP scripts in Notepad++ on Windows, over a live FTP connection to the server.

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Methanar
Sep 26, 2013

It always was

nielsm posted:

But then they aren't testing against all users at once, and there is an automated migration and a roll-back plan in place before deployment.

ha

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