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Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Outside Context Problem


We have an isolation ward VLAN that we punt unsupported OS' to. They can only reach WSUS and our Linux distro mirrors from there.

I'm not exactly happy with that either, but what are you going to do? Tell someone they can't use their 1 500 000 Ä equipment on any network? That's a good way to get a sternly worded letter from the dean.

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Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


jaegerx posted:

Why didnít you post hackers scenes? Thatís why clam down got into infosec. He was an aol hacker.

Hackers owns, though

bus hustler
Mar 14, 2019



mllaneza posted:

It's either that, or the vendor is out of business and there's no upgrade path. Research is doing their Win10 migration this year, and I expect to have 250-400 2000, XP, and Win 7 boxes left at the end of the year. We're praying the networked segmentation PoC goes well, or I'm breaking out the epoxy.

We did ours mostly last year and trickled into this year. We're down to about 40 Win7 machines (and only 3 winXP!!) now almost entirely in the research world. One vendor wants $75k for the upgrade, but we've been warning the group for 3 years, so that's literally going to turn into a Fight In Front of The Dean.

The good news is central IT is really swinging the hammer on legacy OS after another huge security breach so we should have some momentum to get the number down to its true bare minimum.

sudo rm -rf
Aug 2, 2011


$ mv fullcommunism.sh
/america
$ cd /america
$ ./fullcommunism.sh




hello

looking for some advice/insight

i had a long-term contract with a well-known technology company that ended late last year because of covid-19. this is the first time i've been back in job market for over seven years, and i don't know if my expectations are equal to my experience. i have a ccnp (and ccna) that expires later this year, which i'm currently working on recertifying. my concern is this:

my job at this company wasn't like, big-time. i was the technology support engineer for customer-facing labs for a few disparate products - so i did a little bit of everything: networking, security, virtualization, microsoft. i was also an island onto myself - there was no other technological support, so i was both the first and last line of defense in basically every subject. i want to focus on networking going forward, but i find myself looking at job qualifications for network engineer roles that require years of enterprise routing experience that i just don't have - we had a single /23 on the open internet and a few segmented labs, but basically everything i did at work was more on the switching side of things. am i kidding myself here? do i just need to suck it up and look for ccna positions again?

i have the confidence in myself that i could step into a network engineering role and do it well, but i simply haven't seen a lot of it outside of a testing environment. i don't really know what to do, and i can't keep drawing unemployment forever.

sudo rm -rf fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Mar 1, 2021

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty



sudo rm -rf posted:

hello

looking for some advice/insight

i had a long-term contract with a well-known technology company that ended late last year because of covid-19. this is the first time i've been back in job market for over seven years, and i don't know if my expectations are equal to my experience. i have a ccnp (and ccna) that expires later this year, which i'm currently working on recertifying. my concern is this:

my job at this company wasn't like, big-time. i was the technology support engineer for customer-facing labs for a few disparate products - so i did a little bit of everything: networking, security, virtualization, microsoft. i was also an island onto myself - there was no other technological support, so i was both the first and last line of defense in basically every subject. i want to focus on networking going forward, but i find myself looking at job qualifications for network engineer roles that require years of enterprise routing experience that i just don't have - we had a single /23 on the open internet and a few segmented labs, but basically everything i did at work was more on the switching side of things. am i kidding myself here? do i just need to suck it up and look for ccna positions again?

i have the confidence in myself that i could step into a network engineering role and do it well, but i simply haven't seen a lot of it outside of a testing environment. i don't really know what to do, and i can't keep drawing unemployment forever.

Apply for the roles you want. Donít think you arenít capable of fulfilling the role, thatís for the company to determine.

Look at the job lisitbg like a wishlist. Itís inlikely to find a candidate that ticks all the boxes. Itís ok if you donít, hell itís not even expected. Being a cultural fit / not an rear end in a top hat is way more important.

sudo rm -rf
Aug 2, 2011


$ mv fullcommunism.sh
/america
$ cd /america
$ ./fullcommunism.sh




i wonder if i should completely re-do my resume with a lot greater emphasis on networking side of things, but i'm worried it would only work to highlight the lack of wan experience.

sudo rm -rf
Aug 2, 2011


$ mv fullcommunism.sh
/america
$ cd /america
$ ./fullcommunism.sh




my dream position at this point would be a network engineering position that would get me the experience required to move towards ccie and also let me work on a team with other networking experts - i really felt isolated at my last position and not having anyone to bounce ideas off probably didn't help my professional development.

in many ways i still feel entry-level, but this could just be my imposter syndrome.

i really should have started looking for something else years ago.

Sickening
Jul 15, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

gently caress salesforce. gently caress "developers" in salesforce who can't do basic development without impersonation permissions. gently caress the salesforce audit log. gently caress those that support devs having impersonation permissions.

gently caress me.

i am a moron
Nov 12, 2020

Gettin' woke about vaccines

Salesforce is a dumb product for morons

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert


sudo rm -rf posted:

i wonder if i should completely re-do my resume with a lot greater emphasis on networking side of things, but i'm worried it would only work to highlight the lack of wan experience.

Every resume you submit should be tailored to the job posting. It's fine to have 1 giant resume that you post on job search sites for maximum keyword hits, but I'm of the opinion that every job you apply, you should be spending at least an hour making sure that resume is tailored specifically to that job.

Yes it takes effort to do this, but the results are worth it. You legit have like 30 seconds to get the person looking at your resume to decide if they want to talk to you or not. Someone should be able to look at your resume, and compare it to the job description and start easily checking items off.

Don't worry about experience that much as long as you understand the concepts. You're going to have to learn how the new company does things anyway.

Also make sure you're resume is setup to get past an Applicant Tracking System (ATS), many times people get filtered out before a human even sees your resume and application.

https://www.jobscan.co/blog/8-things-you-need-to-know-about-applicant-tracking-systems/


Also do not be ashamed to lean ask anyone in your network, personal or professional if they know of any openings. Make sure your LinkedIn profile is updated, has a picture, and is chock full of key words. Recruiters are lazy as poo poo and they literally just search for people on LinkedIn by area and keywords. I used to work with one who would just search "Austin, TX Java" and contact people to see if they were looking for a new job.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010



I feel like updating my LinkedIn profile with some SEO tricks definitely got me in front of more recruiters in their searches. Things like updating your headline with the job titles you want instead of what you have is a big one apparently.

MrKatharsis
Nov 29, 2003

feel the bern


I replaced "Administrator" with "Reliability Engineer" in my LinkedIn profile and the recruiters definitely noticed.

I even started getting recruiter emails in my personal email, which is not tied to LinkedIn or any professional service. That felt really weird and stalker-ish.

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE



I help professors purchase external hard drives so in a sense I am a "Solutions Engineer".

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Outside Context Problem


If you explain to them the importance of backups you can claim you're improving the reliability of the site.

Sickening
Jul 15, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

MrKatharsis posted:

I replaced "Administrator" with "Reliability Engineer" in my LinkedIn profile and the recruiters definitely noticed.

I even started getting recruiter emails in my personal email, which is not tied to LinkedIn or any professional service. That felt really weird and stalker-ish.

Those of you being totally honest in your resumes are putting yourself at the disadvantage of the ones that don't. Build your resume like commercials build their burgers, its all for looks and vaguely based on reality.

You have to play the game. Its more important to fool them then it is for them to be impressed by who you really are.

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE



Antigravitas posted:

If you explain to them the importance of backups you can claim you're improving the reliability of the site.

We actually did host a seminar like 2 years ago explaining backup and recovery options to the faculty here. Only 2 people showed up so we stopped doing that kind of thing.

Sickening
Jul 15, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Vargatron posted:

We actually did host a seminar like 2 years ago explaining backup and recovery options to the faculty here. Only 2 people showed up so we stopped doing that kind of thing.

This is why you guardrail your poo poo to require them. In most of my azure subscription, you can't even make a vm without it setting up the backup options or your deployment will fail.

Biowarfare
Nov 8, 2010

I JUST WISH THIS WAS A PONY SO I COULD JERK IT WHILE I PLAY WOW

Sickening posted:

Those of you being totally honest in your resumes are putting yourself at the disadvantage of the ones that don't. Build your resume like commercials build their burgers, its all for looks and vaguely based on reality.

You have to play the game. Its more important to fool them then it is for them to be impressed by who you really are.

Keep in mind here that it is important you build your burgers like in commercials, with plenty of glue and carefully sewn on sesame seeds, not like a lopsided Big Mac that's been thrown around in the back of your car for two hours

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

Worst decision I ever made.


Sickening posted:

You have to play the game. Its more important to fool them then it is for them to be impressed by who you really are.

I wish I could go back and somehow beat this into my younger self in highschool, I didn't learn it until the middle of college, and went from a middling student to having basically straight A's. The big difference is I just went from looking to get something out of the class to gaming the system to end up with as high grades as possible with minimal effort. I somehow forgot that lesson when I went job hunting, and had to relearn that and suddenly, interviews everywhere!

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE



Sickening posted:

This is why you guardrail your poo poo to require them. In most of my azure subscription, you can't even make a vm without it setting up the backup options or your deployment will fail.

I would if I could, but thing are very lasseiz-faire here and all I can do is make suggestions. It'd be nice if we had a universal backup and storage requirement here but I don't control those policies.

Sickening
Jul 15, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

We consolidating and closing some clinics in a few states. This has been something that hasn't gone public , but all high level leaders have known. They have known for so long that its basically a badly kept secret down to the lowest levels. We are set to announce any day.

They are still showing new hire tickets for the locations like nothing is happening.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010



Sickening posted:

We consolidating and closing some clinics in a few states. This has been something that hasn't gone public , but all high level leaders have known. They have known for so long that its basically a badly kept secret down to the lowest levels. We are set to announce any day.

They are still showing new hire tickets for the locations like nothing is happening.


My current company for the next week did something similar.


An email comes in...

11/25 9:05 AM "Company accepting Application for Order of Liquidation"

11/25 10:05 AM "Happy Thanksgiving! Early Release Tomorrow!"

11/25 11:10 AM "Open Enrollment Benefits Seminar Don't Forget!"

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004



I have a job interview tomorrow for a position business analyzing a bunch of administrative rules I used to hear appeals of. I'm very excited to transition into computer touching not-a-lawyer and join your ranks!

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

Cat Army


Sickening posted:

Those of you being totally honest in your resumes are putting yourself at the disadvantage of the ones that don't. Build your resume like commercials build their burgers, its all for looks and vaguely based on reality.

You have to play the game. Its more important to fool them then it is for them to be impressed by who you really are.

so genuine question, how does this work with background checks?

linkedin, fine, whatever. but on the actual resume you submit to a prospective employer, in my experience they do tend to call and verify your title.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003



The Iron Rose posted:

so genuine question, how does this work with background checks?

linkedin, fine, whatever. but on the actual resume you submit to a prospective employer, in my experience they do tend to call and verify your title.

The place where I ďenhanceĒ my resume is projects/work accomplished

I will absolutely talk up something like I did it as part of my job and not just in my personal lab subscription.

Or talk like I had a bigger involvement in planning a thing than I did in reality.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

Cat Army


The Fool posted:

The place where I ďenhanceĒ my resume is projects/work accomplished

I will absolutely talk up something like I did it as part of my job and not just in my personal lab subscription.

Or talk like I had a bigger involvement in planning a thing than I did in reality.

oh 100% stolen valor all the way, everyone does that

but every time this discussion comes up it's usually centered around titles and the inflation thereof. i just don't know how you can get away with that at an employer that actually does background checks. Not all employers do background checks (though they really should), not all background check companies check the title, but it's happened before.

one of them even tried to call the long since defunct political office for a district attorney i volunteered for, like 8 years ago

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE


The Iron Rose posted:

oh 100% stolen valor all the way, everyone does that

but every time this discussion comes up it's usually centered around titles and the inflation thereof. i just don't know how you can get away with that at an employer that actually does background checks.

Depends where you're coming from; like when I applied to my current job, I didn't have the title of senior systems/network admin, but I was the most senior person on my team. I gave them a reference of our architect who validated my claim, zero loving clue what popped on my background check for my title; my actual title was the same as literally every other support person in the company "IT Specialist", or something equally dumb, even though I was our T3 and half an engineer.

Sickening
Jul 15, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

The Iron Rose posted:

so genuine question, how does this work with background checks?

linkedin, fine, whatever. but on the actual resume you submit to a prospective employer, in my experience they do tend to call and verify your title.

There is a small bit of gambling here, but by the time they have paid to have a background check on you, difference in titles isn't enough for most employers to even try to call you out on it. Lets say you list "site reliability engineer" but your official title was just "systems administrator". You could say "well, the title on my paystub didn't reflect what I did and suggest that was that way for most people. Its often true that for a lot of orgs that your official title on your pay stub doesn't match your email signature to varying degrees.

Once someone is doing a background check on you, they most likely have have already sent you an offer. Something really bad is going to have to happen before someone starts up the interviewing process again because gently caress THAT. You totally benefit from listing it as "site reliability engineer" and not systems admin 99 times out of 100.

Do NOT underestimate how much they just want you to start your new job with them at this point because finding people SUCKSSSSSSS.

Sickening fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Mar 1, 2021

i am a moron
Nov 12, 2020

Gettin' woke about vaccines

I have never seen a title on a background check in my entire life

Sprechensiesexy
Dec 26, 2010

Tetten? Tetten? Tetten? Tetten?


The Iron Rose posted:


Not all employers do background checks (though they really should),

No they don't. All this digging around in personal histories is all just a massive invasion of privacy. Same as drug testing, credit checks and whatever else you do in Northern America. There are a few situations where something as invasive as a background check is needed and 99% of corporate functions are not it.

I know that here in Europe my references will just confirm what's in my resume and that if you reach HR at my former employers you will not get more beyond "He was employed from starting date to end date".

12 rats tied together
Sep 7, 2006



I don't inflate anything about my resume and I'm extremely up front about my involvement in projects at previous employers etc, but also, I've been overall pretty happy with basically every tech job I've held, so, I really want to find out before accepting an offer if it's going to work or not.

Taking a position and then having it not work out because you sign on and immediately demonstrate incompetency in a core aspect of the role is a nightmare scenario for me, yikes.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

Cat Army


Sprechensiesexy posted:

No they don't. All this digging around in personal histories is all just a massive invasion of privacy. Same as drug testing, credit checks and whatever else you do in Northern America. There are a few situations where something as invasive as a background check is needed and 99% of corporate functions are not it.

I know that here in Europe my references will just confirm what's in my resume and that if you reach HR at my former employers you will not get more beyond "He was employed from starting date to end date".

All was the wrong word to use, I meant specifically in our industry. I would simply say there is virtue in substantiating that someone who has that much power is who they say they are. I don't want to hire someone convicted of embezzlement, and I want to make sure that if someone says they worked/studied at XYZ I generally want to verify they've done so.

IT and engineering positions are extraordinarily high trust. For some positions, I do think background checks are appropriate.

Obviously this regime also gets abused like every other system

12 rats tied together posted:

I don't inflate anything about my resume and I'm extremely up front about my involvement in projects at previous employers etc, but also, I've been overall pretty happy with basically every tech job I've held, so, I really want to find out before accepting an offer if it's going to work or not.

Taking a position and then having it not work out because you sign on and immediately demonstrate incompetency in a core aspect of the role is a nightmare scenario for me, yikes.

oh you've always gotta be able to walk the walk too

bus hustler
Mar 14, 2019



i am a moron posted:

I have never seen a title on a background check in my entire life

My employer does it and is very, very strict about not inflating your role internally, but I've literally never heard about it mattering if you try to leave. Like my title is some dumb system title (Info Support Mgr IV or some crap) but locally I am the "IT Manager," and I report to the Director of IT, you know? Neither of our titles match that.

There was a clerical error after I graduated college where my degree came back as missing and they didn't even accuse me of anything, because technically the job I was applying for didn't even require it.

Sickening
Jul 15, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

The Iron Rose posted:

All was the wrong word to use, I meant specifically in our industry. I would simply say there is virtue in substantiating that someone who has that much power is who they say they are. I don't want to hire someone convicted of embezzlement, and I want to make sure that if someone says they worked/studied at XYZ I generally want to verify they've done so.

IT and engineering positions are extraordinarily high trust. For some positions, I do think background checks are appropriate.

Obviously this regime also gets abused like every other system


oh you've always gotta be able to walk the walk too

Its just another system built against people who aren't privileged. Your board members are more likely to have charges of "embezzlement" on their record than your engineers. Even the "works in theory" is majorily flawed.

i am a moron
Nov 12, 2020

Gettin' woke about vaccines

I hired a former heroin addict whoíd stolen lots of money. He was fine. The gainful employment helped him past the biased screening processes elsewhere as well

Edit: really not trying to be flippant, I agree 100% with Sickening here and the amount of time weíve set for people who interact negatively with the criminal justice system to be penalized is basically Ďfor all eternityí.

i am a moron fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Mar 2, 2021

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

Cat Army


I'm far less wedded to criminal background checks for exactly those reasons, but not even checking previous employers feels like a bridge too far.

which i appreciate neither of you have said

The Iron Rose fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Mar 2, 2021

i am a moron
Nov 12, 2020

Gettin' woke about vaccines

My current company: conducted a background check that consisted of making sure my social was valid, didnít contact any previous employers, and didnít do a drug test. It isnít that weird in the US in my experience and it usually works out okay

bus hustler
Mar 14, 2019



We did that with an internal transfer a few years ago except that employee was actually on the outs & would have gotten a horrible review. They wound up getting asked to resign and stealing a macbook pro on the way out.

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006



The Iron Rose posted:

I'm far less wedded to criminal background checks for exactly those reasons, but not even checking previous employers feels like a bridge too far.

which i appreciate neither of you have said

Agreed that they're taken too far, but people working in IT often have a lot of access to confidential systems. Even if that access is audited, that will only catch damage after the fact, and preventing it in advance is very difficult to implement. Data security is rightfully getting more attention these days but think about how many people in your org have local admin on basically every user's laptop.

If someone has been previously convicted of securities fraud for example, you don't want them anywhere near your budget analysts' spreadsheets.

Drug tests are basically BS though for anyone not operating heavy equipment.

e: I don't think we're disagreeing or anything, criminal background checks should be very targeted and not used to shut people who made minor mistakes in the past out of society indefinitely. And employers' laziness or cheapness in managing system and data access in the first place shouldn't be an out to just check everyone on the help desk.

AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Mar 2, 2021

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jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!



I support background checks. The amount of customer data I have access to should require it. Also I donít want to work with pedophiles or murderers.

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