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Inner Light posted:Great feedback and thoughts from what I posted all, thank you. I work for a large place so I doubt I have much individual freedom, but the context and perspective is very helpful. Don't wait! Start looking now! Start or polish up your LinkedIn. More things to make you attractive to a potential new employer are great, but if you are doing the job now, then you can do the job for them. And even with that, plenty of folks make leaps into jobs that they are not "ready" for. If you aren't careful, you'll end up putting your job search off way longer than necessary. I'll use myself and my wife as an example. I have no degree and no certs. I have done plenty and never had trouble finding a job. My wife started out as a paralegal, has no relevant degree or certs, and is now a lead data engineer.
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Inner Light posted:Any excellent catch-all certs you all would recommend? I can't imagine this is the first time getting asked in the thread so apologies if this is repetitive or if there's a better place to consult. CKA or CKAD is nice to show you know your way around k8s if your resume doesn’t. Red Hat certs are nice as well.
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Inner Light posted:Any excellent catch-all certs you all would recommend? I can't imagine this is the first time getting asked in the thread so apologies if this is repetitive or if there's a better place to consult. Terraform and Azure are both completely on fire right now. With a DevOps background and Azure/TF you’re talking big dollar jobs right now. I’d recommend skipping all certs for Azure except the Solution Architect Expert - the test is insanely easy and it’s considered the ‘top’ Azure cert.
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i am a moron posted:Terraform and Azure are both completely on fire right now. With a DevOps background and Azure/TF you’re talking big dollar jobs right now. Echoing that Even without the certs if you have demonstrable azure and terraform experience you can walk into a 6 figure job right now
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I’m not a super advanced TF user (I just don’t use it every day cause I’m not really an engineer anymore) but having the amount of experience I do with deploying to Azure has been worth an extra $30k a year easy. And finding folks with an Azure background is drat near impossible right now for the amount of adoption that’s going on
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Apr 6, 2021 18:35
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When I interview people I spend maybe 30 seconds on certs and education. Neither one of those are accurate gauges of technical ability unless it's an insanely difficult one like a CCIE or something. Otherwise it's all about the technical interview, lab, and making sure they aren't a weird gremlin that has trouble interacting with regular humans. There are so many people I've interviewed that look like they should have my job on paper but have basically zero useful technical knowledge or ability.
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Apr 6, 2021 18:38
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Nuclearmonkee posted:There are so many people I've interviewed that look like they should have my job on paper but have basically zero useful technical knowledge or ability. drat, I feel attacked right now.
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I used to agree, but between companies chasing partner status, huge companies with strict HR reqs and government it can be something you either need at a baseline or makes you very attractive pre-interview Edit: I mean I agree they say nothing about actual skill, but I wouldn’t recommend not bothering anymore Edit 2: which you might not have been saying anyways, phone posting wooooo i am a moron fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Apr 6, 2021 |
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Apr 6, 2021 18:42
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i am a moron posted:I used to agree, but between companies chasing partner status, huge companies with strict HR reqs and government it can be something you either need at a baseline or makes you very attractive pre-interview Yeah you just need enough to leap the hurdle to get past HR and into the technical interview. I don't have as much of one to deal with in wood products but it's different in other industries/govt. Basically it's just 4y degree or equivalent experience here as the baseline.
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Apr 6, 2021 18:43
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GreenNight posted:drat, I feel attacked right now. Only have room for one idiot around here I need other people to do the work!
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Inner Light posted:Any excellent catch-all certs you all would recommend? I can't imagine this is the first time getting asked in the thread so apologies if this is repetitive or if there's a better place to consult. Oh poo poo, you should be making bank right now with that sort of skill set. I would skip certs entirely and listen to the developers here for advice, I have more of an infrastructure/networking background where certs play a bigger role. All I could say is get some good stuff posted in your GitHub, and maybe have a few Medium posts on some topics, but I would again defer to the experts here.
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You can never time the job market so should always be looking - how many people got hosed graduating into recessions or whatever? Personally at least in my area the market feels hot, 3 of the best jobs I've ever seen have crossed my desk in the past quarter, one of them is the one I accepted and am moving to.* *You never know until you work somewhere but excellent money that's a notch higher than pre pandemic, good benefits, everyone bending over backward to talk about flexible options edit: just woke up from a nice nap with the cat 
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Apr 6, 2021 20:07
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Stop talking about poo poo that doesn’t matter. This is a work from hone life changer.
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Apr 6, 2021 20:12
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drat, you all are making me want to job hop. I don't want to doxx myself but I have been trying to get promo'd to manager at a very big non-FAANG place. There is only one cycle each year, at the end of the year. I'll see if I make it this year, and if not I will look very hard at other options. Hope that sounds like a reasonable strategy. My resume is not incredible and I've hopped in the past (sub 1 year, without a good story), so if I jump ship I really want to stick around for a year or more at the new one. I know IT is a different area in this respect but if I have more than a couple sub 1 year hops it is going to be a very big barrier to getting my resume out of an auto 'no' pile, in my opinion, based on what I've heard from hiring managers on SA. Inner Light fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Apr 6, 2021 |
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Apr 6, 2021 20:22
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Inner Light posted:drat, you all are making me want to job hop. I don't want to doxx myself but I have been trying to get promo'd to manager at a very big non-FAANG place. There is only one cycle each year, at the end of the year. I'll see if I make it this year, and if not I will look very hard at other options. It’s not job hopping. It’s career and financial upgrades. It’s up to companies to keep you interested.
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Apr 6, 2021 20:47
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jaegerx posted:It’s not job hopping. It’s career and financial upgrades. It’s up to companies to keep you interested. It is very rare in the labor market that you have any sort of 'leverage' and multiple people bidding for your time/services is as close as you will ever get.
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Apr 6, 2021 20:51
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bus hustler posted:It is very rare in the labor market that you have any sort of 'leverage' and multiple people bidding for your time/services is as close as you will ever get. Be the whore you were meant to be.
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Apr 6, 2021 20:54
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bus hustler posted:You can never time the job market so should always be looking - how many people got hosed graduating into recessions or whatever? Me! That was me! May 2008!! It was soooo good.
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Why would anyone want to get into management?
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Apr 6, 2021 20:57
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klosterdev posted:Being the only competent person in IT sounds like a recipe for burnout and never being able to take an uninterrupted vacation Can confirm, this is a really lovely position to be in.
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Apr 6, 2021 20:57
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Bonzo posted:So the wife and I have been watching all the Marvel movies since we are on lockdown. Is Larry Ellison a big Iron Man fan or something? I don't remember ever seeing product placement like Enterprise Manager before and Jarvis has lines like, "Sending data to the Oracle Cloud". lmao thank god I never watched those movies I would have screamed
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Apr 6, 2021 21:00
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MrKatharsis posted:lmao thank god I never watched those movies I would have screamed Really?
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Apr 6, 2021 21:01
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ptier posted:Me! That was me! May 2008!! It was soooo good. I was in the middle of a two week holiday and about to go into my final year of university when Lehman Brothers collapsed, the place I'd spent a year working for as part of my degree withdrew their offer of a grad position and a friend of mine from school had been at Lehman for about four weeks and lost his job. It was an interesting time.
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MrKatharsis posted:lmao thank god I never watched those movies I would have screamed Weird flex to not watch any of the 22 top movies in the last 12 years. I bet you’re fun at parties
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jaegerx posted:Stop talking about poo poo that doesn’t matter. This is a work from hone life changer. Look old timer, just because you found something new to you doesn't mean it's new to the rest of us. 
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skipdogg posted:Why would anyone want to get into management? I don't hate management and I'm pretty good at it but I don't want to go deeper into it. I have always had a good "big picture" view of my departments & actually do really well at allocating resources, keeping my team motivated, etc. But it's incredibly unengaging & I totally felt myself slipping into a deep bitterness w/ the profession and banging my head against the wall.
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Apr 6, 2021 21:12
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bus hustler posted:I don't hate management and I'm pretty good at it but I don't want to go deeper into it. I have always had a good "big picture" view of my departments & actually do really well at allocating resources, keeping my team motivated, etc. Keep climbing that ladder and make that manager cheddar.
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Really not a given unless you’re getting to the director or exec level, if you’re managing people in IT there is a very good chance your reports will outearn you. Lot harder to find technical experts than it is to find their babysitter
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Yeah my boss refuses to hire people that will make more than him. So we don't tend to get the best people.
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Apr 6, 2021 21:58
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Hughmoris posted:Keep climbing that ladder and make that manager cheddar. There is little reason for me other than this, to be transparent. At my firm, like many, there is a firm pay ceiling at a substantially lower level before you hit manager.
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Apr 6, 2021 22:06
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GreenNight posted:Yeah my boss refuses to hire people that will make more than him. So we don't tend to get the best people. haha what the gently caress
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Apr 6, 2021 22:24
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Also during every review he says "I havent gotten a raise other that CoL in 20 years". Yeah that's on you buddy, not my problem you suck rear end at promoting yourself. Pay me more, thanks. That's also why the company is going outside to hire a CIO and you've never been promoted.
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Apr 6, 2021 22:25
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GreenNight posted:Really? I have spent a lot of time starting at oracle enterprise manager and a lot of time needlessly suffering through oracle cloud POCs so yes. That would have made me walk out of the theater. Iron Man was cool when I was twelve but I’m over him now.
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Apr 6, 2021 22:37
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Hughmoris posted:Keep climbing that ladder and make that manager cheddar. I just got a $65,000 raise giving up management 
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bus hustler posted:I just got a $65,000 raise giving up management Hughmoris posted:
That's awesome.
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Applied for a system administrator job at the biggest hospital system tri-county area (4500 employees) on Thursday. Got a call from the staffing place, someone with a very thick accent basically read me the job description and asked if I was interested. Said his manager would call me back in ten minutes. A half hour ago. 
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Bob Morales posted:Applied for a system administrator job at the biggest hospital system tri-county area (4500 employees) on Thursday. Got a call from the staffing place, someone with a very thick accent basically read me the job description and asked if I was interested. Said his manager would call me back in ten minutes. I'm still waiting, months laters, for the dozens of recruiters who said they'd call me back the next day regardless of the outcome. #JustRecruiterThings Also, the recruiter called me the day after the interview I bombed last week, asked me how it was and then said she hadn't spoken to the people I interviewed with but would call me back by the end of the day. Still waiting. Imagine the plot twist if they called me to offer me the job.
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Thanks Ants posted:I was in the middle of a two week holiday and about to go into my final year of university when Lehman Brothers collapsed, the place I'd spent a year working for as part of my degree withdrew their offer of a grad position and a friend of mine from school had been at Lehman for about four weeks and lost his job. It was an interesting time. Everyone was still “hiring” but your resume went into a similar mechanism like a hell-ban. It’s was nuts. I hung out as a part time Apple toucher job at my uni and then went into patent examining, which for some who likes building things... was not the right choice. But they hired me so yea. ptier fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Apr 7, 2021 |
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BaseballPCHiker posted:Certs get poo poo on to a certain extent, but they absolutely played a part in me advancing my career. Yo certs ain't no joke. I've been at it for almost a week now trying to update our certs because there has been literally no documentation on it previously so I have to painstakingly comb through literally every product/service/server (not just the obvious public facing ones) to make sure that they are documented and not just updated. It is pretty amazing the number of things that <just exist> which use certs and might not be given a second thought until they stop working for no immediately obvious reason.
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