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Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

Bless you, ants. Blants.




Fun Shoe

Seems a lot simpler for the company to be the ones providing the vehicles, fuel, insurance, servicing etc. Probably cheaper than reimbursing mileage, and easier to ensure there's no taxable benefit to have to calculate.

Also it's more professional since they can make sure people are only driving sub-three year old leased fleet vehicles, so you're less likely to break down and be late, and more presentable when you show up.

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mewse
May 2, 2006



Super Slash posted:

So uh, is it totally naive of me to expect companies offering travel support jobs that require a driver's licence to supply their own vehicle fleet?

It's really lame to be told "Can you drive? Great! Oh you don't own a car? Well that's a shame..." dude I drive a bike, it's cheaper and more fun.

We're expected to have our own vehicle but we get compensated by distance for gas/wear+tear

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005

OFFICIAL BITCH OF DANBO DAXTER




Pillbug

mewse posted:

We're expected to have our own vehicle but we get compensated by distance for gas/wear+tear

I hate this with the fire of a thousand suns.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

At my company it's a requirement to have a car. No company vehicles are to be used.

mewse
May 2, 2006



It's ok. We're not on-site that often and the compensation rate is pretty generous.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005

OFFICIAL BITCH OF DANBO DAXTER




Pillbug

I guess I should clarify, I know it is super common, but I hate it. Requiring an employee to have a car is lovely. Expecting employees to put wear and tear on their car, even if you're reimbursing them is lovely. What about people who take the bus / train / bike / walk to work? What about people who lease?

It's similar to the whole phone debate, whether or not work should provide you with one, except now scale it up to something that costs 20k. Plus when you're driving your car and you get into an accident, it becomes a whole big thing about whose insurance is responsible and some shady companies skimp on that without you knowing... it's just lovely. I've also had issue with "well, we won't reimburse you when driving to the first customer of the day because you'd be driving to the office anyways" when customers were 50+ miles further than the office. Or on the way home. Or treat your time appropriately in the same fashion. Again, lovely.

If you expect me to drive, have a company car parked in the parking lot. I'll come in to the office, pick it up, then drive wherever you need me to go. At the end of the day I'll drop it off and head home.

Kashuno
Oct 9, 2012



Grimey Drawer

Thank you for job time chat the other day thread, I now have an interview this week for a job that's offering 20k+ onto what I make now

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005

OFFICIAL BITCH OF DANBO DAXTER




Pillbug

Kashuno posted:

Thank you for job time chat the other day thread, I now have an interview this week for a job that's offering 20k+ onto what I make now

Good for you, man! And just remember, if it's not a good fit don't rush into it. If you got an offer for 20k more that quickly, you likely can get it again.

Aunt Beth
Feb 23, 2006

Baby, you're ready!

Grimey Drawer

That's one thing I gave IBM credit for. They were very up front with mileage requirements. If your first customer was 100mi away but your normal commute to the office is 20mi, you claimed 80mi for that trip. And if you were traveling over (I think it was) 150mi a day you could rent a car. Finally, if your annual mileage exceeded some threshold, you were given a company car.

Sirotan
Oct 17, 2006

Sirotan is a seal.


Internet Explorer posted:

I guess I should clarify, I know it is super common, but I hate it. Requiring an employee to have a car is lovely. Expecting employees to put wear and tear on their car, even if you're reimbursing them is lovely. What about people who take the bus / train / bike / walk to work? What about people who lease?

It's similar to the whole phone debate, whether or not work should provide you with one, except now scale it up to something that costs 20k. Plus when you're driving your car and you get into an accident, it becomes a whole big thing about whose insurance is responsible and some shady companies skimp on that without you knowing... it's just lovely. I've also had issue with "well, we won't reimburse you when driving to the first customer of the day because you'd be driving to the office anyways" when customers were 50+ miles further than the office. Or on the way home. Or treat your time appropriately in the same fashion. Again, lovely.

If you expect me to drive, have a company car parked in the parking lot. I'll come in to the office, pick it up, then drive wherever you need me to go. At the end of the day I'll drop it off and head home.

Counterpoint, with limited applicability: my org has 2 company cars available for use. One has a windshield with a crack about 3' long, extending into view of the driver, and the other went into a ditch last winter and now desperately needs a front end alignment-you have to constantly fight the wheel to drive straight. I have to drive around the state now and then, but refuse to use the company cars until they are repaired. When I asked the person responsible about replacing the windshield on car #1 I was told it was "probably going to cost a couple hundred bucks, which is too expensive." Who the gently caress knows if they even bother getting routine maintenance done, oil changes cost money too!

So yeah, I've already got a rental car lined up for a work trip next month.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE


Sirotan posted:

Counterpoint, with limited applicability: my org has 2 company cars available for use. One has a windshield with a crack about 3' long, extending into view of the driver, and the other went into a ditch last winter and now desperately needs a front end alignment-you have to constantly fight the wheel to drive straight. I have to drive around the state now and then, but refuse to use the company cars until they are repaired. When I asked the person responsible about replacing the windshield on car #1 I was told it was "probably going to cost a couple hundred bucks, which is too expensive." Who the gently caress knows if they even bother getting routine maintenance done, oil changes cost money too!

So yeah, I've already got a rental car lined up for a work trip next month.

I'd almost debate getting into an "accident" in one of those and sue company.


v--- Here it's written that if it obstructs the view of the driver or something similar, which is still up to the discretion of the officer pulling you over.

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MANime in the sheets
Dec 17, 2004

Who in fucks this commie Ovechkin? Could the faggot pop in 60 so drunk he'd fall over on dry land? Anybody slams me against the boards tonight, Im gonna piss all over mys

College Slice

Sirotan posted:

Counterpoint, with limited applicability: my org has 2 company cars available for use. One has a windshield with a crack about 3' long, extending into view of the driver, and the other went into a ditch last winter and now desperately needs a front end alignment-you have to constantly fight the wheel to drive straight. I have to drive around the state now and then, but refuse to use the company cars until they are repaired. When I asked the person responsible about replacing the windshield on car #1 I was told it was "probably going to cost a couple hundred bucks, which is too expensive." Who the gently caress knows if they even bother getting routine maintenance done, oil changes cost money too!

So yeah, I've already got a rental car lined up for a work trip next month.

Uh, a cracked windshield isn't even street legal most places.

anthonypants
May 6, 2007



Dinosaur Gum

Aunt Beth posted:

That's one thing I gave IBM credit for. They were very up front with mileage requirements. If your first customer was 100mi away but your normal commute to the office is 20mi, you claimed 80mi for that trip.
I think this is the law?

Super Slash
Feb 20, 2006

You rang ?

Sirotan posted:

I was told it was "probably going to cost a couple hundred bucks, which is too expensive." Who the gently caress knows if they even bother getting routine maintenance done, oil changes cost money too!
Holy poo poo I dread to think of the state of the engines, even though my place is run by clowns they at least get repairs booked in on the same day.

Tab8715
May 20, 2006



Internet Explorer posted:

It's similar to the whole phone debate, whether or not work should provide you with one,

What's the phone debate?

I'd expect employers to provide one or reimburse.

As for cars, I think I received fifty-something a mile which worked in my favor as i drove a cheap Acura Integra and a Nissan Maxima on long interstate trips. Despite repairs I probably made money but the co-workers with BMWs probably lost a lot on that long term.

Tigren
Oct 3, 2003


Tab8715 posted:

What's the phone debate?

I'd expect employers to provide one or reimburse.


Let's not do this one again. Read the thread if you really need to know.

lampey
Mar 27, 2012


Super Slash posted:

So uh, is it totally naive of me to expect companies offering travel support jobs that require a driver's licence to supply their own vehicle fleet?

It's really lame to be told "Can you drive? Great! Oh you don't own a car? Well that's a shame..." dude I drive a bike, it's cheaper and more fun.

It is common for companies to reimburse at the IRS rate for personal vehicle use for many positions with travel. It is also common to reimburse at the less than the IRS rate. A lot of sales and non IT jobs deal with this too. It is less common to provide a company car especially at smaller companies.

Sheep
Jul 24, 2003


IRS rate doesn't even cover the extra cost per mile on my lease (granted by about two cents) much less the gas or any repairs necessary.

Aunt Beth
Feb 23, 2006

Baby, you're ready!

Grimey Drawer

anthonypants posted:

I think this is the law?
The only thing I ever actually looked up was the IRS rate for mileage. Less impressive if this is all just law. Oh well, it seems like half the companies people work for don't follow any employment law anyway, so I'm still going to chalk this up as a win.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?


Every company car i've ever been in has been of a questionable quality.

One was called the goblin, because it was small, smelled and rocked about like crazy. I didn't care about how bad it was because I was only 21 and in the passenger seat.

Sefal
Nov 8, 2011



Grimey Drawer

Work gave me the option to either have free public transport travel in Amsterdam or get monthly paid for the travel distance. Since I commute by bicycle anyway. I took the monthly travel payments even though I don't spend a single dime.

stevewm
May 10, 2005


dogstile posted:

Every company car i've ever been in has been of a questionable quality.

One was called the goblin, because it was small, smelled and rocked about like crazy. I didn't care about how bad it was because I was only 21 and in the passenger seat.



I get a sizable monthly vehicle allowance and also a fuel card. I would rather drive my own comfortable personal vehicle than the barren fleet vehicles my company provides. My company buys the cheapest possible fleet vehicles. Congrats on your new company vehicle with AM radio, manual windows, and no A/C!

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Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

Bless you, ants. Blants.




Fun Shoe

My friend is a company director and the staff get BMW 330e-level vehicles as their company cars. Partly due to government incentives for hybrid vehicles, and also because he didn't think it was fair to get himself something really nice and make the staff suffer with shitboxes.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007

RICKARUS


It's Moot baby!


Thanks Ants posted:

My friend is a company director and the staff get BMW 330e-level vehicles as their company cars. Partly due to government incentives for hybrid vehicles, and also because he didn't think it was fair to get himself something really nice and make the staff suffer with shitboxes.

Why did he get BMWs then?

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MC Fruit Stripe
Nov 26, 2002

When life gives you lemons DANCE DANCE DANCE!

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Clever posts aside let's just agree that the perception is that is a BMW 330e is a very nice car.

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