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psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Sarcasmatron posted:

The part about the article I think is the most effective and has served me well is the notion that while salary is an emotionally charged topic for me, it's a cell in a spreadsheet for them - it's helped me negotiate an extra 40K in *additional* salary over the last 3 years. Obviously YMMV.

I don't discuss salary with recruiters until it's offer time. If they insist, then they can provide a range. If they won't give a range then that's a flare in the road for me.

I've found internal recruiters are a lot easier to work with salary wise. Whenever they ask me about salary I usually ask them what the range is they were given by the hiring manager, and they're very upfront about it.

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psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


I'm thinking longer term I'd like to eventually move into the strategic planning/decisionmaking side of things (CIO or VP level type stuff). Working in a technical role is really fun, but there's obviously a certain level of fine skills maintenance (especially learning the ins and outs of new technologies) that I'm sure would get difficult to balance with a family.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Yeah actually come to think of it, all of the pre-sales and implementation guys at almost every vendor I've worked with have been older dudes.

So I'm not sure if it's due to the government's fiscal year coming to an end in two months, or what, but I've gotten an email or phonecall from a recruiter almost every day for the past 2 weeks.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Quick informal survey: how many of you work for companies that do 100% tuition reimbursement? I'm not talking $5000 in tuition assistance, I'm talking the entire degree paid for.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


high six posted:

So I went to the third interview for a junior network admin/helpdesk position. It went well. I was at the gas station afterwards and noticed that the seam in my pants around my rear end was ripped, so, I was hanging out of said pants. I don't know when it happened or whether it happened during the interview...

Okay I laughed pretty hard at this.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


I know the thread is always "OMG DON'T BRING UP A NUMBER" but recently when I've been pressed by the recruiter, I've basically replied "Well, positions like this usually start at X; however I'd like to talk to the hiring manager about responsibilities so that we can come up with a range that's fair to both of us." It's saved me some time by ruling out companies that aren't even willing to pay the market rate (I'm looking at you, Boeing).

Although if it's a job that they're contacting me about unsolicited, I tell them exactly what I'm making and spit out a high-ball number. For two of the positions I was contacted about last week, it's worked.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

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Docjowles posted:

It's bad to be a serial job hopper. Leaving one or two in under a year over the course of, say, a decade shouldn't be a red flag though. If it's super entry level and you've grown out of it, or it was just an awful fit, I don't think any reasonable company would hold that against you. It's when you've had 4 jobs in 3 years and there's no clear upward trajectory that managers get nervous.

I've changed jobs twice in 3 years. In most cases the recruiter will just ask why I'm looking for a new position, so I explain that my current job filled the two positions I was holding while I was gone and wants me to do exchange upgrades at client sites, which isn't in line with where I'd like my career to go.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


It probably depends largely on your market and where you are in your career. High-tempo spots like SF, Seattle, DFW, NOVA, NY, and RTP afford a lot of opportunities to move every 2-3 years, with a relative shortage of labor that means salaries will almost always increase. The same can't be said for the middle of Missouri. People who are more junior in their careers will also hop more, as they'll tend to quickly outgrow their current position. Managers tend to stick around longer due to the smaller number of management jobs and the fact that the scope of their responsibilities (especially at the operational and strategic level) usually lends itself to longer-term goals, so outgrowing the position takes longer.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

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Dark Helmut posted:

We have a big financial institution in town here and whenever they do layoffs, I inevitably end up with people who have been there 12-15 years and are used to their cushy salary and benefits, but they have been totally silo'd so they aren't marketable and have unreasonable salary expectations. I usually have to wait those people out. They had a good run, sure, but I'd always rather be able to hit the ground running and have a marketable skill set.

Genworth, or Capital One?

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Job postings are great. I didn't know half the poo poo on the job posting for the phone interview I had last night, but at the end of it both the PM and team leader said "Well we think you'd be a great fit for the role!"

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


I love it when HR people obviously write job descriptions:

"Manages core network protocols such as OSPF, BGP, MPLS, DHCP, ARP, and ICMP"

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


go3 posted:

I really can't understand how HR ever became part of the search and hiring process.

Well I mean, recruiting is technically an HR function, but a lot of places have their own dedicated recruiting staff that either have a technical background or work closely with the hiring managers to write the job description and posting. Others however, just leave it up to the HR specialist, which is about as good of an idea as leaving the accounting up to the IT department.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Regarding hip nerd interview attire: What about meeting casual and business casual half way - jeans, dress shoes/boots, button down, and a sport coat?

Here on the East Coast we always wear suits anyway.

e:

quote:

Would you suggest that a woman should wear a formal dress to an interview? If not, then why not?

Suits aren't formal. A woman's equivalent to a business suit would either be a pant suit or a suit jacket and conservative skirt or slacks. And yes, women almost always dress that way for interviews here.

psydude fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Aug 8, 2014

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


I have a technical interview next week with a guy who is a triple CCIE.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Sepist posted:

Don't sweat it too much. I've had interviews with 2 different CCIEx3, just know they are way smarter than you and they know it. One of the interviews I had we spent an hour diving into how deep down the technical rabbit hole I could go (poo poo like which k factors in EIGRP are used by default) whereas another asked me what part of a packet gets rewritten when traversing a router interface, then he just asked me how I would utilize grep and awk print when parsing data (he was trying to poke holes in my resume at this point).

God I hate pedantic poo poo in technical interviews, especially when it's asking about some obscure IOS command.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Inspector_666 posted:

I had a recruiter run me through "some technical questions" which were just him reading sample questions from one of the MCSE exams. I don't have any MS certs and have no idea what the nomenclature for their poo poo is. They also asked me what port HTTP traffic used.

On one of the MS questions I straight up said "I have no idea" and he had me guess, and then asked me why I guessed that answer. This wasn't a technical question at all, it was something where I had to pick between three choices for the proper name of a specific type of service running on a specific server in some type of environment. The only possible reason for my guess could have been "It sounded good."

Haha. Well, this one is for a wireless engineer, so hopefully they won't ask me too much oddball poo poo.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


NZAmoeba posted:

Some people were discussing ease of migrating to certain areas a little while back.

I'll chime in and say that right now moving to New Zealand is pretty easy for anyone with a degree and a couple years work experience in any part of the IT industry as long as you're of good health. You don't even need a current job offer, it just helps.

You can find out how over-qualified you are by visiting here: http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migr...ant/default.htm and then check out the points calculator.

Warning: The site is really bad and is an example of how badly you're needed here.

Totally up and moving to Middle Earth once I finish my master's.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


I usually challenge the entire team to a drag race in the parking lot.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Y'all aren't thinking this through. Two words: workman's comp.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


At my last job I took a free shuttle to work every day. I think I drove maybe twice a month.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


I'll be replacing my C5 Z06 with a WRX STI. Server carrying capacity has not factored into my purchase choice.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

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skipdogg posted:

oof... I hope your commute isn't long. I've heard those things can be a bit 'punishing' after a while. I'm getting soft and old but I couldn't do a stiff suspension on a daily driver these days.

The Z06? Yeah it sucks to commute in, but I had a free shuttle to work at my last job and a 15 minute drive before that. I'll probably end up commuting a bit farther for my next job, so the STI is a bit more practical.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


I would own the poo poo out of a Model S if they were a bit cheaper.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Tab8715 posted:

I'd honestly prefer walking, biking, mass-transit over a car. Granted, I love driving, the autonomy of the automobile is appealing but leaving the stress of driving is even better.

Of course, that's only available in a handful of cities. I don't care for New York but maybe Portland/San Fran?

DC's got a pretty expansive bicycle infrastructure and one of the highest shares of bike commuters in the country.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


The cooling system is pretty innovative, but since it works with exactly zero current rack formfactors it's sort of useless outside of something to keep your art department from constantly bitching about being persecuted for their computing beliefs.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Well that's basically my point: it's a server that's kind of useless anywhere outside of your art or graphics department because it won't fit in your rack. So I guess you can awkwardly sit it on top or maybe on a workbench where it will inevitably be knocked over by the delivery guy dropping off a bunch of HPs.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Get a degree just for the sake of being able to write. Because god damned, there are so many people in IT who cannot write.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Well, you don't need to go to Middlebury; even if you don't want to get a full degree, taking several courses in expository writing and argument construction at your local community college will pay dividends in the long run. There's a massive backlash against traditional secondary education right now, which I think is driven partly by the ridiculous student loan debt, partly by far-right forces that see it as an easy way to appeal to the uneducated (see: Rick Santorum), and partly by the success of college dropouts (many of whom come from white upper middle-class families, but people tend to gloss over that) in the software world. I still think it's a great idea, even in IT, so long as you have a clear idea of what you want to do and how you plan on paying for it. These issues may not be resolved until further in your career.

psydude fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Aug 15, 2014

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


monster on a stick posted:

I've never met anyone who automatically rejects someone because they don't have a four-year degree.

I've spoken with a few recruiters who told me that the hiring manager would flat-out refuse me without a technical degree. Oh well. Both of those companies were paying below market rate, anyway.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Potential YOTJ. Company made me an offer. Good job title (contains "Sr.") and a neat environment doing network security and systems engineering. Gotta negotiate on the salary, though; it's a bit low.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


You heard it here, folks. Employers want people with degrees because they're waging class warfare.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Do you live in the south, by any chance? Because my past two jobs have had plenty of black employees, all of whom had college degrees, so maybe your anecdotal evidence is more grounded in your employers not actively fostering a climate of diversity and less to do with The Man using education to keep people down.

e: The poor quality of primary education in minority neighborhoods is obviously a latent dysfunction of the lingering racism in this country. That being said, I hope you realize how enormous of a leap it is to claim that the rising demand for degreed candidates is part of a plan designed to keep economically disadvantaged people out as opposed to, say, a result of there being more college-educated adults than ever before.

psydude fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Aug 18, 2014

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Sepist posted:

Are companies in DC area willing to help attain a security clearance for the right candidate? I am aiming for pre-sales in the DC area for my next move but I don't want to screw myself over by not having the clearance already before applying in the area.

You're like an ultra-senior engineer, so you'll have no issues. It's easier to find someone to straight up sponsor you for a Secret than a Top Secret, but I don't think you'll have any problems.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


YOTJ. Just accepted an offer to become a Sr. Security Engineer. $12k salary increase, $52/mo PPO, 3 weeks of paid vacation each year, and $6250/yr in tuition reimbursement.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


CLAM DOWN posted:

Congrats! That's an awesome tuition bonus. Is 3 weeks standard for America? I'm not sure what a PPO is either

Most places start out at 2 and increase over time. A PPO is a kind of high-caliber health insurance with low deductibles and where you can refer yourself to specialists. It's similar to the private health care plans that kind of go above and beyond the standard government health care in places like Canada and Europe.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Well, I'm getting back into normal life again, but prior to going overseas I was pretty good at waking up at 5:30 to run or go to the gym. Dealing with stupid poo poo was a lot more pleasant with a runner's high.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


God damned federal holidays. The client for my new gig is still working on their "suitability" check so I can find out my start date. I'm not too, too worried about it, but I'm signing my lease tomorrow and I'm leaving for vacation on Friday so I'd like to have this poo poo figured out as soon as possible. I guess it's a good thing I still haven't officially quit my previous job, yet.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


MC Fruit Stripe posted:

Man makes 6 figures, still has to tip toe with psycho boss.

No, that makes perfect sense. The higher you are in the food chain, the more insane people you have to directly appease on a daily basis. poo poo, the triple CCIE consulting firm owner probably has to deal with the most insane people of them all: C-level clients.

psydude
Mar 31, 2008

Perry'd.


Tab8715 posted:

I have no idea how anyone is able to do this in the first place, still maintain employment and their sanity.

The only logical way to do it is as the partner in a consulting firm, so that at the end of the day you climb into your Aventador and begin the drive to your palatial estate and forget about the psychotic board members and CEOs that are your clients day in and day out.

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psydude
Mar 31, 2008

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CLAM DOWN posted:

It's funny when Americans get shocked at how expensive food can be elsewhere

Relative to whom? I bought a whole goat in Afghanistan for $15.

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