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Sleep of Bronze posted:Tautologous words are redundant. Pfffft But yeah, I kind of wondered if I was being redundant when I wrote it Basically once the show moved them into a tighter environment, or worse started populating the universe with other lifeforms (and even other humans!) they really lost sight of what made the show work. I loved how big the ship was and how useless almost all that space was to them - there was stuff like the episode where they had to go down to one of the lower floors and it meant having to get into a lift that took hours to get them to their destination. All that space just emphasized how alone the crew was, particularly Lister - hell the only reason Rimmer is in the show at all is because the computer knew without somebody to fire up and frustrate Lister into action he'd either end up committing suicide or just sink into such a deep depression that he'd die of malnutrition. Goddammit now I feel like rewatching the early seasons all over again. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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Jerusalem posted:Goddammit now I feel like rewatching the early seasons all over again. I've only just finished. But I keep rewatching Rimmerworld.
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Jerusalem posted:Basically once the show moved them into a tighter environment, or worse started populating the universe with other lifeforms (and even other humans!) they really lost sight of what made the show work. I loved how big the ship was and how useless almost all that space was to them - there was stuff like the episode where they had to go down to one of the lower floors and it meant having to get into a lift that took hours to get them to their destination. All that space just emphasized how alone the crew was, particularly Lister - hell the only reason Rimmer is in the show at all is because the computer knew without somebody to fire up and frustrate Lister into action he'd either end up committing suicide or just sink into such a deep depression that he'd die of malnutrition. Another problem that coincided with the switch from the huge ship to the tiny one was that they got a much more focused and achievable goal, which took away that sense of futility they'd had before. They were originally trying to get back to Earth, but they knew that they weren't going home. Everything would be completely different after three million years, so Earth was basically just an arbitrary target. But chasing the nanobots was actually about getting back home (to the Red Dwarf). It was probably inevitable with such a small and insular cast that it wouldn't stay good for long though.
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# ? Dec 3, 2014 13:17 |
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LA lalalalaalalala Red Dwarf never kept coming back over and over again. It ended at season 7.
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# ? Dec 3, 2014 16:04 |
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The "Dave" channel's Season 10 is pretty solid, imo.
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# ? Dec 3, 2014 18:27 |
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sbaldrick posted:LA lalalalaalalala Yeah, and it was really weird that season 7 was just the episode Tikka To Ride and nothing else.
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# ? Dec 3, 2014 20:28 |
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I completely forgot that I bought all of Red Dwarf back in january and never watched a single episode. Thanks thread!
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# ? Dec 3, 2014 20:42 |
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I honestly haven't watched Red Dwarf at all since like an episode into back to earth where I gave up on it completely. I did just however find out the reason for the huge gap in the series in the early 90's is because Craig Charles was falsely accused of rape.
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sbaldrick posted:I honestly haven't watched Red Dwarf at all since like an episode into back to earth where I gave up on it completely. Back to Earth was terrible. Series 10 was pretty good, but strange. They are all old and wrinkly, even Kryten is wrinkly around the eyes. Which makes sense since the show started in 1988. Luckily none of the actors got really fat, but they are greying and jowly. No one acknowledges this. Facebook Aunt fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Dec 3, 2014 |
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Craig Charles quit Red Dwarf after season 7, had a brief stint on Corrie and then went to his true calling as a DJ on 6 Music AND NOTHING ELSE AT ALL HAPPENED e: except robot wars
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# ? Dec 3, 2014 23:15 |
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You guys are no true Red Dwarf fans. I love all Red Dwarf, no matter how objectively bad it may have gotten at times.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 00:01 |
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Party Boat posted:Craig Charles quit Red Dwarf after season 7, had a brief stint on Corrie and then went to his true calling as a DJ on 6 Music AND NOTHING ELSE AT ALL HAPPENED You are never allowed to forget Robot Wars.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 00:14 |
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I remember seeing Robot Wars when I was young. Then when I finally saw Red Dwarf, I said "oh poo poo, that's the guy from Robot Wars!" Was that backwards?
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 00:21 |
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Lycus posted:I remember seeing Robot Wars when I was young. Then when I finally saw Red Dwarf, I said "oh poo poo, that's the guy from Robot Wars!" Was that backwards? That's how I'm doing it.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 00:36 |
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I can't wait until roughly a month from now when we can all experience mat smith's incredibly strange face, together
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IronicDongz posted:I can't wait until roughly a month from now when we can all experience mat smith's incredibly strange face, together Cut me, Mick!
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thexerox123 posted:You guys are no true Red Dwarf fans. Back to earth is worse then blow job street block.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 01:48 |
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Angela Christine posted:Back to Earth was terrible. Series 10 was pretty good, but strange. They are all old and wrinkly, even Kryten is wrinkly around the eyes. Which makes sense since the show started in 1988. Luckily none of the actors got really fat, but they are greying and jowly. No one acknowledges this. In series 10 they do sort of address it by setting it several years after the previous series.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 02:08 |
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If you guys liked the kinda philosophical/sci-fi weirdness stuff in Red Dwarf then you should know that the books are hella legit, they go a lot more into all the crazy spacetime/alternate reality/mental health issues the crew gets into. They are also really dark, lots of psychological trauma going on for everyone.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 02:36 |
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Pwnstar posted:If you guys liked the kinda philosophical/sci-fi weirdness stuff in Red Dwarf then you should know that the books are hella legit, they go a lot more into all the crazy spacetime/alternate reality/mental health issues the crew gets into. They are also really dark, lots of psychological trauma going on for everyone. I only read Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers but I really enjoyed it, particularly the downbeat ending. How was Better Than Life?
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 02:43 |
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Jerusalem posted:I only read Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers but I really enjoyed it, particularly the downbeat ending. How was Better Than Life? It's pretty great. Better Than Life is an incredibly malicious program that traps the users inside and actively tries to prevent then from realising they are in a simulation or escaping from it. Lister and the Cat are slowing dying of malnutrition and muscle degradation as Kryten can't run the ship and keep them alive at the same time, as well as being tormented with the things he's forced to do to try and fix the situation. The simulation starts becoming increasingly erratic and dangerous as it tries to give a man as self-hating and neurotic as Rimmer everything that he wants and thinks he deserves. It's really funny!
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Pwnstar posted:If you guys liked the kinda philosophical/sci-fi weirdness stuff in Red Dwarf then you should know that the books are hella legit, they go a lot more into all the crazy spacetime/alternate reality/mental health issues the crew gets into. They are also really dark, lots of psychological trauma going on for everyone. The audiobooks are read by Chris Barrie and he does the voices incredibly well.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 03:19 |
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If you get the audiobook make sure you get the unabridged versions, and yeah Chris Barrie does an amazing job with the voices. The novels are up there with my favourite books, I personally consider them up there with Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy. The ending of the first novel especially is so beautiful and bittersweet, it perfectly captures the reality of what it would be like to be stuck as the last human alive with no chance of ever again seeing the people you loved. Edit: The first two novels are where the goodness is. The third and fourth books were written independently by Doug Naylor and Rob Grant and are two different takes on a third book in the series, and neither capture the magic of their joint work. Senor Tron fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Tiggum posted:The audiobooks are read by Chris Barrie and he does the voices incredibly well. Yeah he's a really good impressionist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU0QPGbYUn0
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 03:47 |
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Doctor Who Series 1 RTD's first season was his first and, for all he knew, his very last shot to make his mark, per se, onto one of the most storied and legacied television shows ever. And viewed from that angle, that for all he knew, before "Rose" premiered, that this was the very last season of Doctor Who proper; Series 1 is a loving wretched, terrible, trainwreck of a season of television that could've tainted the show literally forever. You want to talk about bad endings of shows, imagine this: Imagine if one of the oldest and most culturally significant shows ever made ended with God Rose magically making everything all better before snogging a shouty British alien, who promptly dies. Because, in a world where Doctor Who wasn't renewed for a second season, that's exactly what happened. That's the legacy of Doctor Who, gentlemen! A dumbass blonde chav gets hot makeouts with The Doctor in a completely unearned scene written by a Welsh madman. Congrats and goodnight! It's a really wretched finale. It's even more wretched when you think that this could've been the very, very final end of all of The Doctor's televised adventures if the show hadn't been such a ratings smash on its return. Could you imagine the ignominy of such a piss-poor, horribly conceived and executed episode like "The Parting of the Ways" being the capper to forty loving years of television? One shudders to think. It's hard to talk, and think, about the very first season of the Who without also taking into account my specific thoughts and feelings going into that season. I entered Doctor Who expecting to hate the show; I left Series 1 not exactly disabused of that notion. This is for several reasons; admittedly, chief among them was the awful, awful finale, but it wasn't the only reason. Series 1 is a failure in nearly every respect. Eccleston was, ultimately, miscast as The Doctor- an excellent actor, yes, but that's more the problem. He elevated the material he was given to a point where the expectation for what the show would be ultimately ended up being disengenuous; I don't know who, exactly, had their wires crossed but the first season of the Who revival had a showrunner who wanted Doctor Who to be a big dumb swooping sci-fi action show, and the principal actor who wanted Doctor Who to be this intense, heady philosophical and emotional drama centered around a PTSD-riddled veteran of one of the most horrifying wars ever conceived. Because, yes, Eccleston is absolutely lights-out wondrous in this season of television. Just a fantastic actor- his scene in Dalek, shouting "I WATCHED IT HAPPEN! I MADE IT HAPPEN!" in regards to the Time War- just amazing stuff all around. But RTD either didn't want to write to Eccleston, couldn't write to Eccleston, or both, so there's this absolutely bizarre tone shift that permeates the entire season where it's impossible to figure out what show Doctor Who wants to loving be. RTD, in retrospect, always wanted it to be a show for kids- which is what it, you know, is -but Eccleston in his time on Who clearly thinks that this is a show for adults, and puts in the performance to match. The disparate, clashing aims of showrunner and main actor makes Series 1 a discomfort to watch, especially when you're someone like me and completely, utterly new to the show. Series 1 is so aimless- it has no sense of thematic, narrative, or character progression; things just happen and the tone is all over the place. As an example, let's look at "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances"; that's a two-parter penned by Moffat, an out-of-nowhere dark and emotional little tale centered around the horrors of the Third Reich's bombing of London. The very next episode? loving "Boom Town", aka the episode where the farty fat lady tries to surf on a planet. This completely unfocused aim and progression of the season utterly repelled me as a first-time viewer. RTD as a showrunner seemed to have no idea where the season was going; as Oxx mentioned in his fantastic "Journey's End" review, there's nothing harder to watch then the works of someone who clearly has no idea what they're doing and, worse, what they should be doing. (Un)luckily, not much of my complaints about the miscasting of Eccleston or unfocused aims of Series 1 matter because so much of Series 1 is just so loving bad. In all honesty, there's only four episodes in the entirety of this season I'd ever care to rewatch: "Father's Day", "Dalek", and "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances". Every other episode this season, at best is fairly mediocre; I graded "The Unquiet Dead" high mostly because it came after the utterly wretched "The End of the World" and it was fun, but fairly forgettable. Here's the crazy thing, though; the very best episodes of Series 1 aren't really...well...Doctor Who episodes. The Empty Child two-parter, besides being two Moffat scripts, is basically a period piece that just happens to have The Doctor; The Child could've very easily been a ghost and nothing would've been lost, really. "Dalek", too, is predicated on a backstory and interpretation of the Daleks that was proven wrong by the very end of this season; moreso, it's really just a character piece, a chance for Eccleston to flex his incredible acting muscles, not so much a Doctor Who episode in the RTD sense of the word. "Father's Day", really, is the only real episode of Series 1 that's emblematic of the show Davies, at his very best, wanted it to be; the other three are episodes that are so tonally dissonant from the show he wanted to create they feel good despite his influence, not because of it. It's impossible to discuss Series 1 or, indeed, any RTD season without mentioning Billie Piper, aka Rose. It's even harder to talk about her body of work in isolation, as bringing up Rose reminds one of, say, "Journey's End". But, let's try. Rose is a very, very bad character in Series 1. She's fairly sexist- she has no real independency or interesting character traits, and spends the majority of her first season on the show swooning over The Doctor (in what would become her trademark in Series 2, but that's neither her nor there). Billie Piper, also, is clearly not exactly comfortable in the role in her first season, because her acting could be charitably described as "wooden" for almost the entirety of her first season on the show. It's really hard to conceive why, in retrospect, the finale ends up being all about Rose because Davies and his writing staff do so little with her throughout the season. She's shoved off in her own, boring B-plot in most episodes this season; she has no real character agency; and her most identifiable character trait is her crush on The Doctor. So it's weird that Davies so explicitly decides to reward her in "The Parting of the Ways", making her the literal Deus Ex Machina that solves everything and saves The Doctor and smooches him. If you loved her character and thought she was so amazing and incredible and worthy of this (completely loving undeserved) finale, Davies, why didn't you spend more time dimensionalizing her character throughout the season? Why did you keep her segmented off from The Doctor on her own, much lamer adventures, instead of creating and deepening a relationship between your two leads? Why? Why? Why. None of this makes any loving sense. And that's, really, the takeaway from Series 1. "None of this makes any loving sense." Series 1 is just a blur of bad decisions, like the "Bad Wolf" arc words, which was literally added in after Davies was notified retrospectively that he had used the same phrase in a couple of episode's scripts successively. (Ed: Whoops, he actually decided to make them plot-important after the words tested well with audiences, but it still underlines the unfocused nature of the writing.) There's no foresight, there's no planning to anything in Series 1; the penultimate episode of the season is a reality TV riff that was toothless as it came out and dated barely a year after it aired. Davies establishes that the Daleks are all gone except for one survivor in "Dalek", then not six episodes- six episodes -later he backtracks. Davies establishes that the modern world is now aware of alien life forms in the absolutely absymal "Aliens of London/World War Three" two-parter, then basically yells "Psych!" and reverts everything back to normal in "Boom Town". And then, of course, there's the finale. There's "The Parting of the Ways". The very last episode of Doctor Who, ever, could've been an episode where Rose becomes a God and makes out with The Doctor. You know, Rose. The badly-acted non-character who spent the entirety of her time the season whining and being shunted to the side. If there's anything more emblematic of the failures, that utter nonsense of Series 1 than God Rose I have yet to find it. Because there's no effort to justify any part of it beforehand, and yet RTD had the insane nerve to build the entirety of the season to that singular moment of Rose staring into the TARDIS. It honestly defies belief, how he spends no time or effort creating an arc or character for Rose over the season and then has the gall to retroactively ruin any decent or good part of everything that came before it by stating, clearly, that God Rose was what the season had been leading to all along, yep, uh huh. It's such a blithe disregard for basic story structure that it leaves me literally stunned. I'm at a loss for loving words. What in the gently caress, Davies. Series 1 is a Jackson Pollack painting made out of RTD's feces, and it's almost awe-inspiring in how terrible it is. Series 1 is utterly, truly, absolutely terrible. Just a wretched, wretched, wretched mess. Season Grade: F NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Dec 4, 2014 |
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Toxxupation posted:You want to talk about bad endings of shows, imagine this: Imagine if one of the oldest and most culturally significant shows ever made ended with God Rose magically making everything all better before snogging a shouty British alien, who promptly dies. Because, in a world where Doctor Who wasn't renewed for a second season, that's exactly what happened. That's the legacy of Doctor Who, gentlemen! A dumbass blonde chav gets hot makeouts with The Doctor in a completely unearned scene written by a Welsh madman. Congrats and goodnight! Well, before that the capper was the 1996 movie, so...
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 04:19 |
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Toxxupation posted:It's a really wretched finale. It's even more wretched when you think that this could've been the very, very final end of all of The Doctor's televised adventures if the show hadn't been such a ratings smash on its return. Could you imagine the ignominy of such a piss-poor, horribly conceived and executed episode like "The Parting of the Ways" being the capper to forty loving years of television? One shudders to think.
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Toxxupation posted:Season Grade: F Y'know I honestly can't disagree with a single word you've written here, and yet I'm still so entranced by the show that--by your analysis--Eccleston wanted Doctor Who to be that I just cut the whole of Series 1 a lot of slack, especially since I really wasn't fond of 3 of 4 of Tennant's series and watched the show very much out of order on a first pass (first with the Year of Special and some of Series 4 in conjunction with Series 5, then back to Series 1 and sequentially onwards).
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 04:30 |
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Oh boy. Season reviews? Love it. Season one is so loving bad. I love Eccleston though and wonder what he would have been like in the series as it is now with Moffat vs Davies.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 04:35 |
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What's funny is that episode would have been okay if they'd gone with the writers intention instead of dressing everyone up like teddy bears. At least it had the Master in it and had that nice little monologue by McCoy. I don't think I'd give season 1 an actual F. Low-scoring, certainly, but the two parter that introduced Captain Jack, for example is quite good. As a whole, it is very definitely a mess.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 04:36 |
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Series 1 is a C-, tops. Certainly not an F. Yeah, Boom Town is poo poo, but it's almost worth watching for the Doctor/Alien scenes in the restaurant. I think. I haven't seen it in years, so who knows.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 04:37 |
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I really like season 1, though RTD's bombast is present pretty much everywhere. I think it does a really good job of telling a story about the Doctor learning how to be himself again - the character we see has been broken by the events of the Time War, it's a guilt that follows him everywhere and eats away at him even as he tries to put on a smile and pretend that everything is okay. That scene in The Parting of the Ways where he has to make that same choice all over again and chooses NOT to basically marks the culmination of his journey throughout the entire season. He could stop the Daleks right there but at the expense of Earth and billions of inhabitants, and he chooses not to. He even makes the point that humanity is still present in off-world colonies and the race would continue to exist if he destroyed the earth, so it isn't even technically as black and white a choice as the one he made to end the Time War, but he still chooses not to do it. His adventures with Rose, for all her failings, have given him back his "humanity", a moral compass of right and wrong that tells him that wiping out most of humanity to destroy the Daleks is not a justifiable act. So he chooses cowardice ("every time") and hope, and he is rewarded for it. Rose herself, I can't divorce her character from the overall 2-season arc I felt she had - her story in season one is incomplete, season one is really the tale of the Doctor while Rose's is spread across both seasons. If RTD had left well enough alone I would consider Rose's arc to have been extremely well executed, but he just had to keep going back to the well and diluting his endings. But in season one we do see Rose as somebody who knows she wants something more from life but can't define what, and getting to watch her be overwhelmed, trip over, but get back up and eventually run with her situation is pretty great.
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Jerusalem posted:But in season one we do see Rose as somebody who knows she wants something more from life but can't define what, and getting to watch her be overwhelmed, trip over, but get back up and eventually run with her situation is pretty great. See this is great to say in the abstract but Series One really doesn't play out that way. Aside from a few scenes with Mickey and Jackie the only defining characteristics Rose has in most episodes is "wants to bone the Doctor something fierce", "is curious about the situation she's stumbled into", and "is in trouble." While Eccleston and Piper pulled off Rose's attraction to the Doctor pretty well it still came across as kind-of creepy-- most attractive young women do go through at least one relationship with an older guy shortly after reaching adulthood while they figure out who they are and what they want out of life but it's still pretty gross to watch if you're neither party directly involved, especially in a long-form format like television. As awful as I find Series 2 at least Tennant and Piper looked a lot closer in age and had more natural sexual tension. The show (almost accidentally) left a smart subtext that Nine influenced Ten's form in order to be more of a dreamboat for Rose's constant affection, which when said aloud actually could have made Rose and Martha's mooning almost interesting if it played off the fact that now that the Doctor is a skinny young hot thing he's having trouble being taken seriously by his Companions, but that would involve pissing in the fangirls' cornflakes.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 04:58 |
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Rose is a character who quite truly exists to be dumber than the doctor and make puppydog eyes at him whenever he goes offscreen for 5 minutes. A shameful character.
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I have to say that I honestly didn't really pick up on any sexual subtext between the 9th Doctor and Rose, even when rewatching with the knowledge of how she gets with Tennant in season 2. In fact, I thought The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances did a pretty good job of establishing that Rose very much looked upon the Doctor as an asexual being, basically a father figure replacement for her own dead father - hell, Father's Day basically comes across as her dad looking to the Doctor to replace him as the man looking out for her, which is kinda condescending in a meta-narrative but understandable from a character point of view. Captain Jack basically represents the dashing young figure who can impress Rose in the same way as her "dad" but also be viewed as a sexual being, and the Doctor's reaction to that isn't so much,"Yes I'm a sexual being.... and I wanna gently caress you!" as it is,"Just because I'm not trying to get into your pants doesn't mean I'm not a sexual being." The Doctor kissing Rose at the end of Parting of the Ways kicks off all kinds of sexual tension between the two once the Doctor has regenerated, and it is interesting to consider the 10th Doctor as a reaction to the likes of Jack, but I honestly didn't see anything sexual in the kiss itself from Eccelston's point of view. There's also that scene early in the season where Rose comes back a year after she left thinking it's only been half a day, and when explaining to the police that she is the Doctor's traveling companion, get's asked if this is a sexual arrangement. Her horrified reaction pretty strongly sells the "father-figure" relationship I felt she had with the Doctor, she's basically a kid growing under his guidance which makes her growing obsession with the 10th Doctor in season 2 so unsettling, but also serves well as an exploration of what happens when a companion stops grounding the Doctor and starts getting wrapped up in a fantasy about him.
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IronicDongz posted:Rose is a character who quite truly exists to be dumber than the doctor and make puppydog eyes at him whenever he goes offscreen for 5 minutes. That's 10th Doctor and Rose.
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Jerusalem posted:I have to say that I honestly didn't really pick up on any sexual subtext between the 9th Doctor and Rose, even when rewatching with the knowledge of how she gets with Tennant in season 2. In fact, I thought The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances did a pretty good job of establishing that Rose very much looked upon the Doctor as an asexual being, basically a father figure replacement for her own dead father - hell, Father's Day basically comes across as her dad looking to the Doctor to replace him as the man looking out for her, which is kinda condescending in a meta-narrative but understandable from a character point of view. Captain Jack basically represents the dashing young figure who can impress Rose in the same way as her "dad" but also be viewed as a sexual being, and the Doctor's reaction to that isn't so much,"Yes I'm a sexual being.... and I wanna gently caress you!" as it is,"Just because I'm not trying to get into your pants doesn't mean I'm not a sexual being." Y'know I never looked at it this way and you're not wrong, although I still think I have my points as well. I was definitely influenced by going partially backwards through Ten and Nine's runs and knowing full well how badly Rose wanted to pork Ten and letting that influence my interpretation of her relationship with Nine.
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 05:24 |
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Toxxupation posted:RTD, in retrospect, always wanted it to be a show for kids- which is what it, you know, is -but Eccleston in his time on Who clearly thinks that this is a show for adults, and puts in the performance to match. Interestingly, Eccleston had something to say about this in a post mortem interview in 2011: quote:I loved connecting with that audience. Because I’ve always acted for adults and then suddenly you’re acting for children, who are far more tasteful; they will not be bullshitted. It’s either good, or it’s bad. They don’t schmooze at after-show parties, with cocktails.
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You know, I was eleven when I started watching Doctor Who, so I was part of this supposed "target" audience of kids. And honestly, Christopher Eccleston was my first and favorite Doctor, to the point that it poisoned basically all the Tennant episodes a little until this thread forced me to reevaluate seasons 2-4. I liked him because he seemed more interesting to me than Tennant, while still being silly and making me laugh. Also he had a leather jacket. He was cool. And yeah I still wish I could have seen the show that could have been with Eccleston. Not that what we don't already have isn't fantastic!
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# ? Dec 4, 2014 07:48 |