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There's also a common feeling that even if you disregard arc vs monster of the week, many find the Moffat era vastly better written, with a less Mary-Sue-ish Doctor. That said, there's since been a general backlash from a lot of fans against that, especially since it got overcomplicated towards the end of his run and even I'll admit that Moffat lost control of himself. Also, it's been decided - mainly by Tumblr, to be honest - that his main Companion's overall journey was insulting to women and anti-feminist and generally regressive. I disagree. But if we get into this right now it's gonna totally derail the thread seasons in advance. So Bown, others, let's not get into arguing (about how incredibly wrong you are) re: Moffat vs Davies until after they reach that point in their watchthrough, and instead discuss the episodes as they come because that is the point of a watchthrough although I admit I did just get my two cents in before saying that.
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I love Doctor Who, but it's always been pretty drat stupid. EMBRACE THE STUPIDITY.Bown posted:Okay I'm done, but for the record saying people didn't like it because it was too complicated is pretty drat laughable. Convoluted was closer to what I meant, really.
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Jul 29, 2014 17:45
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I can't wait to hear the review of Bad Wolf, the most tonally bizarre episode ever. 
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Jul 30, 2014 07:52
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Doctor Who and Star Trek are the same in that there's at best a 50:50 chance any given episode will be total poo poo, but it's worth it for the highs.
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Jul 30, 2014 16:11
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I actually liked the use of Toxic in End of the World. 
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Jul 31, 2014 03:18
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I always thought of End of the World as one of my favourite episodes, but thinking back that was entirely because of the Rose/Doctor bits at the start and the end. The middle was irrelevant bollocks by comparison. The bookends are Who and the Ninth Doctor at their finest.
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Jul 31, 2014 04:51
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Spatula City posted:Hmmmm, looking at Eccleston's run, there's only really 3 great episodes. What're you thinking? Dalek, Father's Day, and the Empty Child two-parter?
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Jul 31, 2014 06:54
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Tiggum posted:I disagree. Big dramatic high-stakes season finales are almost universally awful. I dunno, my favourite Doctor Who modern finale blew up the universe.
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Jul 31, 2014 08:55
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I'm really curious how Midnight is going to go down now.
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Jul 31, 2014 10:56
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Had the BBC really done any really high-quality actually-trying heavy-CGI-FX TV shows before that point? As I understand it, Who Revival was a huge learning experience for the studio.
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Aug 1, 2014 07:57
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The Immigrants angle is down to a guy called Lawrence Miles Oh for gently caress's sake. Okay, it makes sense now. 
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Aug 3, 2014 02:09
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E PLURIBUS ANUS posted:This poo poo is fuckin weird, I was expectin a bunch of "THIS SHOW RULES gently caress YOU OCC" and instead it's "yeah doctor who sucks a lot/mostly but once you get to know him he's a really lovely guy. I got this bruise from walking into a cabinet, it's bigger on the inside... E PLURIBUS ANUS posted:Christ. Now you know why.
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Aug 3, 2014 05:12
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First Bass posted:The funny thing is, I don't even think this is the worst "hilariously incompetent aliens surreptitiously try and conquer the Earth" episode, or even two-parter. God bless you, Oxxipation. gently caress, you had to remind me.
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Aug 3, 2014 09:09
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It's going to be like that time the poor Enterprise recapper at TWOP had to recap The Shipment.
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Aug 6, 2014 05:52
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Hopefully Oxxidation has enough dirt on him to force him to finish what he started.
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Aug 6, 2014 12:21
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Hey guys, remember when we weren't going to spoil Anus about what's going to happen or pop up in the future?
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Aug 8, 2014 06:37
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DoctorWhat posted:You will find some very loud fans of Shalka out there... okay, its fans are almost entirely composed of Doctor/Master slashfic writers. Pretty much the only thing I remembered about Shalka was the console room being pretty cool, so I google image searched 'Scream of the Shalka console room' and the very first page of results had the Doctor and the Master making out.
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Aug 8, 2014 17:51
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This is definitely the low point for me in this seasons. At least Aliens of London had Big Ben getting a spaceship to the face. This was just... bland.
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Aug 10, 2014 06:10
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Don't know if that's true, but I do know the original design for the reapers was originally literal grim reapers esque hooded figures that would appear and swipe people out of existence with their scythes.
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Aug 11, 2014 02:04
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Many of us still do. He's not perfect, and his flaws become a lot more evident as showrunner, but he's lightyears ahead of Rusty.
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Aug 12, 2014 04:23
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True; I'd have liked to have seen your reaction had you gone in totally blind. Just out of curiosity, are there any other episodes coming up that you're aware of in some way?
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Aug 12, 2014 04:43
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XboxPants posted:But, I think what all of this has made me realize is that, maybe, my very favorite shows are the ones that are completely, totally unreliably unpredictable. There's something magical about a show that can go from an F one week to an A the next, and I'd certainly rather watch that show than one that maintains a consistent C+. I mentioned before; I think that's the real magic behind Doctor Who and the better Star Treks; they take risks, they build scripts around ludicrous concepts, they go all over the place and happily fail half the time just because some of the rest of the time, they'll knock it out of the park.
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Aug 15, 2014 04:05
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Tiggum posted:This is one of the things that really annoys me about NuWho. Some of the episodes have some great shock reveals in them, but every loving time you'd know about it before you saw it because they'd showed it on the preview at the end of the previous episode and/or just gave it away in the title. Dalek is great example, because they clearly wanted the Dalek to be a surprise, but you knew it was coming because you watched the previous episode and read the title of this one. It's not like they'd be able to keep it that secret, since apparently BBC marketing and Radio Times has free will to spoil whatever the gently caress they want regardless of drama or what the showrunners want, going by the last few years.
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Aug 15, 2014 12:47
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Oxxidation posted:I'm legitimately curious as to whether Davies was obligated to put Daleks in the finale, and whether or not he was aware that the show would be renewed at this point. Because if not, then that means the final two-parter of nu-Who, the last gasp of this old, venerable, if moderately retarded television series, would be a bunch of reality-TV gags that'd become dated before the kids who watched the first broadcast could legally drink. Man, no show that's run this long deserves an end that ignominious. You know, I wonder if it had been cancelled, if they'd have had ending of the next episode a few seconds earlier, mid-glowsplosion. I mean, obviously at time of filming they knew they were being renewed, since they'd cast tennant, but if they'd known they weren't instead, if they'd have had a regeneration fadeout, or if they'd have had a much broader rewrite. 30.5 Days posted:Hold onto your butts, it's all downhill from here. Except for when it's not. Doctor Who: the weirdest quality rollercoaster ever.
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Aug 17, 2014 07:46
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Oh god, the Christmas special is gonna melt you. Almost as much as the second Christmas special. So gonna do the intermediary short episode next?
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Aug 18, 2014 02:21
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The sad thing is, I consider Rose a much, much better character in season one than season two, mainly on the strength of her dynamic with Eccleston as opposed to the one with Tennant. Re; arc television in Sci-fi, this premiered two years after Battlestar Galactica. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Aug 18, 2014 |
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Aug 18, 2014 03:21
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Just show him Children of Earth.
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Aug 18, 2014 05:05
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I suspect (I'm gonna talk about it since he's not gonna watch it) he'd be quite disappointed with Children of Earth's moral 'we can fix it by just killing a single kid!' deus ex machina rather than having to make the really heavy hopeless choices.
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Aug 18, 2014 05:15
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I wonder if he'll [redacted] at [redacted], my favourite episode! Make no mistake, Anus, you're going to love [redacted]! So, you gonna take a break between seasons, or plow on through?
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Aug 18, 2014 05:19
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Shrug, it was in a different niche. BSG was watched by about 1% of the population, Doctor Who over 10% on first transmission alone. Same year as Lost. Four years after the premiere of 24. Six years after The West Wing. Over a decade after The X-Files or Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. The public was very familiar and comfortable with extremely popular shows of the serialised format, enough to be able to handle a few continuing plot elements running through their weekly adventures better that 'a word in the background'. (Sure, you won't be able to find a serialised sci-fi with Who's 10%, but neither will you find an unserialised one)
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Aug 18, 2014 11:07
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I guess the closest group to 'chav' in America would be... 'white trash'?
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Aug 18, 2014 11:59
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I suppose the most 'ordinary' companion was Tegan, as an Air Hostess. Sarah Jane was a reporter - is that too nerdy to be 'mainstream'? And there's a fair number of others, I think. Whilst most show-era-origin companions did tend to have a nerdy bent, it wasn't universal.
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Aug 18, 2014 12:50
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I'd forgotten about Polly and Ben. Wasn't Peri a biologist, or at least well on her way? I don't think companions originating non-contemporaneous to the show's airing count for the point he's trying to make.
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Aug 18, 2014 13:29
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Bicyclops posted:I'm pretty sure Captain Jack was brought back to life purely because he was so popular, they wanted to be able to bring him back if they wanted, but who knows? Considering that episode was filmed well before Jack premiered on television, I doubt that was it.
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Aug 19, 2014 01:39
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Muahahahahahahaha. That was pretty verbatim our reaction at the time, too.
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Aug 21, 2014 01:53
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Wasn't the original plan with this episode just to let all the clones die, but then they thought it'd be too dark and slipped in a pat nonsensical cure ending at the last minute?
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Aug 21, 2014 03:37
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mind the walrus posted:Which itself is also very funny because there's an apocryphal quote in the ether about how in OldWho the Doctor was there for the kids and the companions were "something to keep Dad from changing the channel." I don't know how risque they companions actually were, especially because they seem very tame through a modern lens, so if anyone out there knows I'd love to hear about it. Someone post zoe-on-the-console.gif, please.
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Aug 21, 2014 03:51
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Sigh. Here you go. Start of it. Youtube link, none of the actual dirty bits. One of a disturbing number of Doctor Who pornos.
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Aug 22, 2014 17:22
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You have interesting tastes, they're a bit askew from most of the people around here, but it's fun to see. I mean, as I understand it, the general feeling on 'The Unquiet Dead' and 'Tooth and Claw' has been 'eeeeh, forgettable'. The main thing I remember from Tooth and Claw was a) how silly the random kung-fu monks were considering it was just irrelevant to the rest of the episode and b) Rose being insufferably smug and irritating, with both the 'make her say we are not amused' challenge and when she was getting overly giggly-flirty with the Doctor. The failed scottish accent and the Doctor's reaction to it was great, though. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Aug 23, 2014 |
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Anthony Stewart Head as a resurrected Master would also have been acceptable.
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