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Savington posted:raising the minimum wage literally has the same effect as raising taxes on corporations, hth jesus won't someone think of the job creators? who else will bless us with these awesome minimum wage jobs
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anonumos posted:The only problem I have with this is the challenge is for one week. Try a whole month. Or a year. One fricken paycheck? How about a week where your hours get cut. How about knowing that 4 weeks from now you have a big bill and not only is this week tight but you have to find ways to keep some of this week's pay in reserve to pay that upcoming bill. He should try again, like a video game, maybe that time he'll run out of money on the last day.
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Jul 31, 2014 01:52
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lotta people not knowing basic econ itt minimum wage increases don't significantly affect job creation because guess what: companies already strive to hire the bare minimum of employees. why would you overpay for labor? for example: let's say a domino's employs 2-3 people working inside on a friday night. it is paying $8 an hour. If the minimum wage went up to $10 an hour, they wouldn't go 'oh well guess we have to cut a person from the friday shift' because that is untenable; they would just have to eat the extra cost of doing business (and probably pass it on to the customer as a $0.25 increase on everything since food service runs pretty tight profit margins anyway) it doesn't really affect job growth for the same reason; you either need another employee working or you don't. Scalding Coffee posted:The loudest people complaining must not be good enough to get promotions and raises after putting in a few years at their job. Are people working in such dead-end jobs that they can't afford to bother looking for better jobs that exist all over the loving country? I can see them staying that way since the government and unions say there are no openings. lol yeah it's not like unemployment is Real Thing that exists or anything. oh government and unions say there are no openings but clearly that's all just a lie look at how many wonderful jobs are available: the argument of 'economic problems are not Real, people are just incompetent and lazy' is the argument of a 15 year old.
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Jul 31, 2014 02:11
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i went a week on minimum wage once.
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Jul 31, 2014 02:14
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Really the bullshit is that the working class and the proles have built this country up to super rich status, skyrocketing GDP and everything, but our wages remain pretty much flat in the last half century. And then there's people who look at that and go 'yeah that's fair.' That's what makes me mad; unless you are one of those few super rich people that benefit off the egregious misbalance of benefit from our country's prosperity, why the gently caress would you be in support of that? Also when you raise the minimum wage, there is more consumer spending which causes businesses to make more money and create more jobs and drive the economy.
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Jul 31, 2014 02:15
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if raising the minimum wage is impossible then i guess we have to admit that the american economy is predicated on large amounts of people getting paid at unlivable rates and we should probably go ahead and apply for Bitchmade Status from the IMF
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Jul 31, 2014 02:18
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paranoid randroid posted:the global capitalist economy is predicated on large amounts of people getting paid at unlivable rates there we go
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Jul 31, 2014 02:20
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well yeah but we're not supposed to admit that
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Jul 31, 2014 02:21
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paranoid randroid posted:well yeah but we're not supposed to admit that
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Jul 31, 2014 02:55
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lol i like how the op was for some reason mad at the guy like yeah gently caress him for doing the one week thing why didn't he just raise minimum wage instead
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Jul 31, 2014 02:58
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too bad the only thing congress can unanimously agree on is that Israel needs to keep massacring Palestinians.
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Jul 31, 2014 02:59
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Would anybody like to know my opinions on this story and topic?
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Jul 31, 2014 03:35
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Much of any higher minimum wage increases will get eaten by the existing obscene taxation. Halve taxes and current wages won't look like poo poo, since you are not giving your money away to a government that personally cares about your family problems, and the giant faceless multi-nationals will hire more people.
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Jul 31, 2014 04:08
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u might say the benefits will "trickle" down
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Jul 31, 2014 04:10
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CharlestonJew posted:Kill everyone and also kill the pussy congressmen that couldn't last 2 days in their fantasy poor budget world. Like I know them succeeding would have defeated the point but they could have at least pretended to make an effort. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gY2wtmcADo
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Jul 31, 2014 04:12
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lol for about 20 bucks I can make a meal that'll last you all week and is generally healthy. Turkey Tacos ftw. Hell honestly dried beans and brown rice alone are great
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Jul 31, 2014 04:21
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Scalding Coffee posted:Much of any higher minimum wage increases will get eaten by the existing obscene taxation. Halve taxes and current wages won't look like poo poo, since you are not giving your money away to a government that personally cares about your family problems, and the giant faceless multi-nationals will hire more people. you say that but someone making minimum wage isn't really being taxed enough for that to be true. when I made minimum wage if you halved my tax, I'd be paying $150 a year instead of like $300
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Jul 31, 2014 04:45
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Sounds good. Halve taxes and then increase wages.
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Jul 31, 2014 05:01
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lets halve taxes and then sell our infrastructure to german concerns
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Jul 31, 2014 05:02
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if we got rid of the sales tax that would be nice that's some bullshit imo taxed on the income then taxed again when I spend it some double dipping anti poor tax
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Jul 31, 2014 05:02
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Burger Kings prices are outrageous.
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Tonetta posted:debate, and discuss, my rear end does it have less acne than cybermans rear end
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Al Borland posted:Hell honestly
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Moridin920 posted:lotta people not knowing basic econ itt This is why 20 years ago there were 8 people operating 8 machines at a caterpillar at 18 dollars an hour, and today there is one person operating 8 machines at 20 dollars an hour.
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paranoid randroid posted:u might say the benefits will "trickle" down The benefits are gonna trickle down and out my rear end in a top hat in the form of cum and blood, after I am finished being raped by corporate america Tonetta fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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Jul 31, 2014 06:40
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there should really just be one wage for everyone so that we dont have to argue about it anymore
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I like the idea of paying a few extra cents for a company to pay their workers more. However, raising the minimum wage would mean that unless your wage is also increased by the same amount then you are actually making less now. How many people do you think would want that? What effect would that have overall?
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Moridin920 posted:if we got rid of the sales tax that would be nice that's some bullshit imo Govt would lose hella cash via immigrants if sales tax disappeared and every congressman ever bitches about how there's not enough money, but never mind giving israel another couple hundred mil for iron dome or toss ingsome heli's at saudi arabia just because
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NObodiesGeek posted:I like the idea of paying a few extra cents for a company to pay their workers more. However, raising the minimum wage would mean that unless your wage is also increased by the same amount then you are actually making less now. How many people do you think would want that? What effect would that have overall?  Are you OK? Did you get hit on the head? Are you Sarah Palin?Guess how many times the minimum wage has been increased in the past with no appreciable inflation or decrease in employment. Each time it was raised, we did not have an immediate economic crash. Hell, most of our crashes are attributed to investor decisions. In fact. Not once have I heard any suggestion that labor costs brought down the economy. It's always "bubble popped; everyone jump".
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Jul 31, 2014 10:37
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anonumos posted:
Just curious of how many times these things happened since bill clinton decided it was ok to outsource jobs
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Jul 31, 2014 10:40
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Oberleutnant posted:UnirOnically murder, devour, the rich.
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NObodiesGeek posted:I like the idea of paying a few extra cents for a company to pay their workers more. However, raising the minimum wage would mean that unless your wage is also increased by the same amount then you are actually making less now. How many people do you think would want that? What effect would that have overall? that is not how it works I mean if some huge amount of your income is spent on the poo poo that is made more affordable to you by basically stealing part of it from the people who have to work like 70 hour weeks to avoid homelessness then yeah I guess you will experience a significant loss of purchasing power but for those of us who do not consider the value of things in number of big macs then no that's not how it works
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Oberleutnant posted:UnirOnically murder, devour, the rich.
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My fault for making not making myself clear. I never said it would cause an economic crash. I was thinking of a few factors that contribute to a worsening economy over time for everybody. Stagnant wages for workers making more than minimum and rising food prices and rising gas prices to name a few. Raising the minimum would help the poor afford more but for how long until it needs to be raised again? Then again. Then again. I'm aware most of this is caused by wall street and a unhelpful white house. I have a feeling thought out ideas can help solve this. Insults? Not so much.
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Tonetta posted:Lets continue to raise the minimum wage, to erase the gap between the lower class and the middle class, so we only have a lower class and upper class. we're already at that stage raising the minimum wage just allows the biochemistry majors working at jimmy john's to pay off their student debt quicker while affording their parents' rent
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h45WnW0ASFY
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Tonetta posted:This is why 20 years ago there were 8 people operating 8 machines at a caterpillar at 18 dollars an hour, and today there is one person operating 8 machines at 20 dollars an hour. well that's because we made unions way less powerful and destroyed most of them because 'lol gently caress unions go reagan' NObodiesGeek posted:My fault for making not making myself clear. I never said it would cause an economic crash. I was thinking of a few factors that contribute to a worsening economy over time for everybody. Stagnant wages for workers making more than minimum and rising food prices and rising gas prices to name a few. Raising the minimum would help the poor afford more but for how long until it needs to be raised again? Then again. Then again. I'm aware most of this is caused by wall street and a unhelpful white house. I have a feeling thought out ideas can help solve this. Insults? Not so much. it should be pegged to whatever the minimum income is for a decent standard of living. that's how most other western countries do it and they aren't experiencing runaway inflation. workers making more than minimum wage should demand raises also, as you are right it's bullshit to be making $10 more than minimum and now you're making $9 more than minimum. again unions would be a helpful force, here. chances are if you're making more than minimum wage you've got a certain skillset and it is easier for you to say 'fine then I'm going to work somewhere else' so at least without union backing you're not *totally* hosed. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Aug 2, 2014 |
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Unions had their time in the sun when children were working in crappy factories and 60+ hour work weeks were acceptable. Reagan is gone, so why bitch about losing all that power with the Democrats on your side? Oh wait, did they get thrown under the bus like other organizations/people that supported them over the decades and replaced with the newest under-represented group?
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The Whole Internet posted:we're already at that stage Obligatory  : Most minimum wage workers are family breadwinners and have children. 1/3 are over 40, for example. http://www.epi.org/publication/wage-workers-older-88-percent-workers-benefit/ Prick
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