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BlueBull
Jan 21, 2007
You should be able to rent a normal car for substantially less than advised below, R 300 / Day will EASILY get you a VW Polo or something similar through a normal car rental company with no hassles, the R 1500 per day is bullshit, even if you want unlimited km / cross border and so on.

Just go to Budget/Avis.co.za and price it yourself.

Buying a car here on a holiday Visa will make for some entertainment, as you'll need a Traffic Register Number in order to be able to license the car, and you will need proof of residence to get a TRM. TRM can take up to 6 weeks to process, then another week or so to license your car. The only way this is going to be an option is if you can license the car to a South African you know here.

http://www.services.gov.za/services/content/Home/ServicesforForeignNationals/drivingforforeigners/trafficregisternumber/en_ZA

If you want to be mobile, cruise around the country to see things like the Garden Route, why not rent an RV? R 1500 to R 2000 per day will be about right, but as you got your accommodation with you, it balances out nicely. Spots in Camping grounds cost peanuts and you can have an awesome time in Sodwana Bay for example for some Scuba and travel the whole coastline through Durban, South Coast, Garden Route all the way to Cape Town for a monster new years party.

http://www.wickedafrica.com/
http://www.helderbergcamperhire.co.za/

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BlueBull
Jan 21, 2007

goku chewbacca posted:

Describe the security measures you employ to protect your home and family. Personal firearms, security alarm, private security forces, walls and gates around your home. Do you live in a primarily white, affluent suburb? Is your entire neighborhood walled/gated with private entry? Do most middle class whites live in neighborhoods like this? Do most middle class people carry concealed firearms when out in public?

Is white poverty a major issue, or have most managed to maintain a first world standard of living in the post apartheid era?

Have you ever experienced violent crime or property crime like a break-in or carjacking?

Have you considered emigration to a first world nation? How many of your friends and family have emigrated?

I live in a free-standing house in Johannesburg North (Bryanston to be exact) and am quite security conscious. I have a perimeter wall around my property with an automatic gate to access. Used to have electric fence, but I have removed it as it was a giant pain in my rear end and am busy putting my wall higher.

My house has security beams 360 degrees which I turn on at night, and they go out to around 10m or so. I have interior motion sensors which I turn on at night (non-bedroom zones) or whenever I leave the house (full house). I have cameras covering the entire outside perimeter of the house as well as my gate.

Wife and I both have mobile panic buttons on our gate remotes, and all of this is linked to ADT acting as armed response. They have a code for a keypad by my gate, and an armed guard comes here to do a full inspection of the house within less than 5 mins usually.

I also keep dogs (Ridgebacks & GSDs, more than I am allowed to according to by-laws at present which is a problem)and carry a hand-gun 24/7. However, note that I love both dogs and guns, and only few of my friends for example carry a gun every day, as a matter of fact it's quite rare to see, to me at least.

I disagree with the poster above in terms of it being difficult to obtain a firearm permit, it's a matter of going to a range for 2 hours on consecutive Saturdays to complete a competency test a 6 year old could complete, and some money to buy a gun, that's it. Even the waiting periods have decreased, to me it's never been easier to obtain a permit.

Outside of me carrying a firearm, the above security measures are stock-standard in the area where I live, and a few of the people in my street have their own dedicated guard houses for example. Every single one of my neighbours, with zero exceptions, has a perimeter wall, gate etc. There are loads of non-white families living in my area, and the Bryanston Country Club has a good mix of ethnicities these days, although I won't deny that the majority of members is still white.

I've had some security problems in the past, none violent. Plenty people I know however have been victims of violent crime, including murder and rape, and every person in South Africa will have some of these stories.

White poverty exists, but anyone trying to compare it against black/indian/coloured etc poverty is talking utter crap, it's just simply a very small blip if taken in context of how the white minority generally lives here.

I actually immigrated to South Africa 20 years ago (Just after first democratic elections) from Germany, and am only a permanent resident here. I am married to an Afrikaans / German white woman and have kids here, both of whom also have German citizenship.

They would have to drag me by my hair kicking and screaming back to Germany or anywhere else in the EU, the life I live here far surpasses anything I could ever hope to achieve in the First World. I live like a king here compared to how I would manage in Germany at my income level, the crime situation is literally the single down-side to me, and to me it's manageable. Different strokes for different folks...

BlueBull
Jan 21, 2007

Saladman posted:

Holy poo poo. I grew up in Memphis which has been top 5 for crime in the US for like 19 of the past 20 years, and we only had an attempted burglary once (probably someone at the loving taxi company we called to take us to the airport). But then our alarm system went off and they scattered, leaving only footprints in the mud by the time the cops came.

I knew a handful of people [in the US] who got burgled, and a couple who got robbed at gunpoint, but Jesus, you guys' descriptions make South Africa sound like one of those 1980s dystopian future Robocop/Escape from NY scenes.

I can see how one could arrive at that conclusion, again, every South African has a violent crime story to tell, but to me the benefits of living here far outweigh the risk of meeting a violent end. And unlike most South Africans I am in a position where my entire family has German citizenship, and I have the financial means to move my family plus all my worldly possessions to the EU on essentially 48H notice, especially as I maintain a business there, speak the language and so on.

The bottom-line however is that the standard of living I enjoy here is simply unachievable in Germany unless you either come from serious family money, or got very lucky and made millions in online porn or whatever. And considering how many foreigners from especially the EU are busy buying property in places like Cape Town every day, I am hardly the only one who feels that way.

For shits and giggles, have a look at what ZAR 7Mil (EUR 500k) buys in JNB, DBN or CPT, and then compare to what it buys in Germany or whatever on https://www.property24.com.

Again, different strokes for different folks.

BlueBull
Jan 21, 2007

Senor P. posted:

Not to sound like a douche, but what about Namibia? I have not been to SA, but Namibia striked me as rather clean and having low crime. And being pretty drat affordable.

Namibia is to me the most boring place on earth, I actually stayed in Windhoek for 3 months and it simply isn't for me. Otherwise, Saladman has it spot on.

If I move from Johannesburg, it'll propably be to Cape Town but that's more long-term, as it would necessitate a house in Durban / JNB as well, because gently caress winter in Cape Town.

BlueBull
Jan 21, 2007

AtomD posted:

I'm one of those weird guys who prefers pretty much any weather to the dry as hell weather in Gauteng.
The Durban summer gets so humid walking around technically counts as swimming and the Cape Town winter is so rainy and grey you'd just have to put out some marmite toast to make a Brit homesick, but man at least it doesn't feel like you're evaporating.
Tip for Gauteng: Take lip balm.

I can agree on the dry air but really JNB is a nice middle ground between Durban and Cape Town. There is no place more glorious than a perfect day in Cape Town in Summer, in winter Durbs is king as I can still wear shorts/T-shirt. Johannesburg in winter beats floods in Cape Town any day, and humidity melt-down in Durban in Summer.

The real problem with JNB is that when I go out for some drinks or dinner, I am forever looking at a loving parking lot for scenery rather than a beach or table mountain.

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