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While it is true that Yuuki works under Archibald, I would like to point out that our protagonists are currently following Lee Linjun, whom as we'll find out soon enough is a colossal dickhead and a traitor.
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Yuuki should request an immediate transfer to Lee; they deserve each other.
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Aug 26, 2015 15:27
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MarsDragon posted:Meanwhile the Federation stumbled a lot...but they won. Eh, to be honest, as in most SRWs, the Federation didn't so much win as it happened to be vaguely on the side of the guys who without much support or help. Keep in mind that a good chunk of the protagonist squad are independent forces who are only working together because of the whole DC/Alien Invasion thing. The Federation mostly tried to surrender every single time something goes vaguely wrong and turns out traitors at an absurdly fast rate. (And in terms of "brainwashed child soldiers" thing, I'll just point out that Ryusei was recruited through a program that used a video game to find potential child soldiers.) Rorahusky posted:While it is true that Yuuki works under Archibald, I would like to point out that our protagonists are currently following Lee Linjun, whom as we'll find out soon enough is a colossal dickhead and a traitor. Lee is a dickhead but he actually has a real good reason to think the heroes hosed up. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Aug 26, 2015 |
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Aug 26, 2015 15:38
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Wounded Land posted:Yuuki should request an immediate transfer to Lee; they deserve each other. They could go  at the heroes of the L5 campaign together all day long!
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Aug 26, 2015 15:39
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The funny thing about the "we weren't shown civilian casualties" thing is that we can assume that's the exact effect they're going for here, given that OG1 only shows you the Hagane's POV. Bullet: "We're the awesome heroes of the L5 campaign, we beat the aliens and not a single good guy died! (except for Greg and Norman :manly tears: ) Who could have a problem with us?"  Yuuki: "Our families died while your leaders were busy forbidding you to do anything, thanks for noticing." Bullet: "But I didn't see that cutscene." 
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Aug 26, 2015 15:57
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I wonder if there's some sort of waiting line with a ticket dispenser for people meant to take advantage of Zoldark's ambitions to manipulate others, because they sure seem to be a patient sort if they just sat silently until the next game's plot came around instead of all coming out with their schemes simultaneously. We're still in an extended flashback of the first three prologue missions, correct? It feels weird not having two separate routes, so I'm assuming we've just yet to reach a branching point.
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Aug 26, 2015 16:10
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I'm not sure why you'd call it a flashback, but yes, this is what was originally chapter 3 in OG2. The branching point in OG2 was chapter 9, so assuming OGs didn't add any more chapters we should get our first branch at chapter 14.
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Aug 26, 2015 16:15
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ElTipejoLoco posted:We're still in an extended flashback of the first three prologue missions, correct? It feels weird not having two separate routes, so I'm assuming we've just yet to reach a branching point. yeah, we'll get to the point where that makes sense eventually. It's supposed to be unclear at the moment. Keep in mind that only the very end of Mission 3 was in the original.
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BlitzBlast posted:I'm not sure why you'd call it a flashback... Since OG1 eventually expanded upon enough cause to understand the effect, I just assumed that OG2's going that same route. But I guess there's any other possible explanations (Aerogater illusion clones again?) that aren't just "oh something's going to happen eventually that makes Kyousuke act all cocky and villainous to this new pilot guy, and also repaints the Alt the blue color it had in the 4th chapter." But since there's no dates or any other evidence given that the events aren't simultaneous, I guess I jumped the gun calling it a flashback, yeah.
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Aug 26, 2015 16:51
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ElTipejoLoco posted:It sort of reads like one, to me. The first chapters were en media res, the same way Elzam's was in OG1: Things are happening, but the player has no real context as to what or why said things are happening; The effect is seen before the cause. Well, you aren't WRONG in that the game will explain (mostly) what the gently caress is up, the rest we'll have to cover with stuff that came out later. They're retconned the events in OG2 a couple of time. For example, we could not post the opening scenes to "The Inspectors" the anime adaption of this game. Simply because they spoil way more.
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Aug 26, 2015 16:53
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OG1 didn't explain anything about Euzeth Gozzo in-game, so I kind of figured explaining only mostly everything is par for the course. It did explain enough that the events the player was directly strategy-RPG-ing through were clear-cut, though. I can only hope OG2 keeps that up. Do the OG games have any New Game+ exclusive secrets, actually? Beyond increased difficulty and carrying over your money/SP/upgrades, I mean. I forget if any were mentioned or shown off.
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ElTipejoLoco posted:Do the OG games have any New Game+ exclusive secrets, actually? Beyond increased difficulty and carrying over your money/SP/upgrades, I mean. I forget if any were mentioned or shown off. Nah. I *think* there might have been one in the GBA version of OG2 but it isn't in OGs. (and it's been a long time since I played OG2 GBA so it might not be there either.) There are a couple that are easier to get on NG+ but that's it.
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Aug 26, 2015 17:19
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I like how the Federation has come up with entirely new, lovely bosses to justify the same hate the DC had at our old, lovely bosses.
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Aug 26, 2015 17:37
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CmdrKing posted:Actually, that's a question; does the world at large know the basics of Grims' background? I always kinda assumed it did, but that doesn't gel with mostly upstanding people willingly working with him. I don't think they know that one specific incident (which is weird, because in the real world that poo poo would be all over the news for months and Grims would be dealing with a global manhunt), but he doesn't exactly bother to hide the fact he's OG Yazan Gable.
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MarsDragon posted:I don't think they know that one specific incident (which is weird, because in the real world that poo poo would be all over the news for months and Grims would be dealing with a global manhunt), but he doesn't exactly bother to hide the fact he's OG Yazan Gable. I think that's a bit unfair to Yazan, don't you? Yazan's hardly 'comically evil', and he's hardly a great manipulator like Archibald. He's just a really good pilot who revels in battle and happens to be working for the Titans.
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It's not exact, no, but it was the closest I could come up with off the top of my head.
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Aug 26, 2015 19:16
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Actually, Archibald is Getter Manga Hayato.
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Ashram posted:I know that there are quite a few people that like Archibald, but I absolutly loath the fucker. He hits all the notes for the worst kind of villian: For context, this man just declared that he likes a certain red-tinted tea (that I forget the name of)...because it reminds him of the blood of the people he's killed. The Inspectors makes this better/worse because he says this with the most  tone possible, mind you. So yes, he is kind of a one-note villain.
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Seyser Koze posted:The funny thing about the "we weren't shown civilian casualties" thing is that we can assume that's the exact effect they're going for here, given that OG1 only shows you the Hagane's POV. Anyhew, speaking of Yuuki, I wanted to bring up this image, mostly for Yuuki's portrait:  See that tiny smile? Guess what Yuuki did not have in the original GBA game? Yep, a portrait where he smiled in some fashion. It was either his aloof-looking default portrait like we saw earlier, or his angry face that players saw the most out of him. I get that his Alpha personality was the same as Leona's (cool and nihilistic), but even Leona managed to crack a smile occasionally in the previous game. Yuuki never smiled in OG2, and any time he was "happy", it was his aloof-looking default portrait we saw.
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Dr. Snark posted:For context, this man just declared that he likes a certain red-tinted tea (that I forget the name of)...because it reminds him of the blood of the people he's killed. And while Yuuki didn't immediately head for the hills because "gently caress, that guy's my commanding officer", he sure as hell hurried out of that conversation as quick as he could and tried to get Carla out of the picture. He's aware of just how hosed his own position is, I think, but things in later chapters may invalidate that. It's possible he thinks he's stationed under the only unrelenting psychopath in the Neo DC instead of just the worst one.   I mean look at this, this may be the one man who out s Ingram from the first game. Archibald may be one-dimensional and a little too awful to be entertaining as opposed to just horrible, but goddamn if he doesn't telegraph it from the word 'go'.
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Rorahusky posted:While it is true that Yuuki works under Archibald, I would like to point out that our protagonists are currently following Lee Linjun, whom as we'll find out soon enough is a colossal dickhead and a traitor. In OGs, to use a MASH metaphor, Lee is Colonel Winchester rather than Frank Burns.
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Yuuki & Carla are underdeveloped & underutilized. Considering they were the only Alpha 1 pair left for the second game, I'm not too surprised.
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EDIT: Just kidding, everything's fine.
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Mission 9 After a couple of missions we have enough PP to start learning skills. First priority is Support Attack for everybody that doesn't have it (read: everybody). Bullet and Kyosuke can pick it up now, while Lamia and Excellen are still a couple points short.  Putting the "giant" back in "giant robot." Intro quote:Cuervo introduces Archibald and Yuuki to the two "special" pilots he brought with him: Seolla Schweitzer and Arado Balanga. The two immediately commence bickering over Arado's lackadaisical self-introduction; along with their age, this doesn't inspire confidence with either DC officer. Seolla assures them both that, as graduates from the School, the two of them are very well-trained. Archibald orders Yuuki to take the kids with him on the next mission.  Mission 9: Boosted Children  Objective, take out everybody. No visible mastery requirement yet.  Our beautiful Hawaiian seashore.   Over here we have Rai in an MP Huckebein, surrounded by Lions, and Latooni in the Falken, facing off against Seolla in another Lion. The resemblance between the Weissritter and Wildfalken is pretty obvious.   Off to the right we have Kai in his Gespenst, taking on a whole bunch of enemies by himself: two more Lions, two Barrels, and Carla and Yuuki in their Guarlion Customs. And then off by himself we have Arado in his Lion.   Anyway, to business. The Lions around Rai do nothing but defend, so he really has no option but to slowly chip away at them.   Very slowly.  Oh, and Latooni can't move or take any action, so your only other option is to move Kai. I park him just out of the Barrelions' range for now.   As the first enemy phase begins, Carla can't believe the Huckebein is holding its own against four enemies. Yuuki is equally concerned, and tells Seolla to take care of her objective quickly.  The Lions around Rai do nothing; Seolla attacks Latooni, who again has no combat options.     At least she dodges just fine.  Meanwhile, Arado and the two Barrelions move towards Kai, while Carla, Yuuki, and the last two Lions do nothing.  On turn 2 we have more of the same; Rai's enemies are still defending and Latooni still can't move. Kai, on the other hand, is in position to start attacking.  Too bad his numbers suck right now, and he has no spirits that give survivability.   His damage (with the basic machine gun) also sucks. So does his resilience when it comes to getting hit by giant rail cannons. Barrelions!   On Turn 3, things happen. Scene quote:With Latooni uncertain about who she's fighting, Seolla is easily able to close the distance and force open her cockpit, at which point they're each stunned to discover that the other is still alive. Seolla immediately assumes that the Federation is forcing Latooni to pilot for them. She pulls a gun and yells for her to get out of the mech - and when Latooni doesn't immediately comply, she shoots. Latooni falls out of the Falken, and Seolla seizes the mech and withdraws, quickly escaping radar contact. Kai and Rai check on Latooni's status; the bullet just grazed her, and since the mech was grounded the fall shouldn't have been serious, luckily.  During the rest of the second enemy phase, Kai manages to dodge the two Barrelions but takes a long-range hit from one of the Lions.   Arado finally reaches Kai as well. He doesn't do quite as well as the Barrelions.   Arado: "H-here he comes!" Kai: "What's with those movements? Are you an amateur!?"     Even if Arado had hit, the machine guns wouldn't have done much - which is good, since Kai is about one hit away from death. At least he has enough morale to use Jet Magnum.   On turn 3 the Shirogane arrives. Lee wastes no time in ordering everybody out.   There's some consternation from Kai and Rai over Lamia's machine, but the enemy takes priority. Nobody is happy to hear that the Falken's been taken, but if Latooni is safe for the time being, clearing out the enemies will take priority.  And now we see the battle mastery requirement: take out everything except Carla and Yuuki before the end of turn 4. In other words, in the next two turns.   It's not often that you get bullshit mastery requirements outside of the first mission or so, but this happens to be an example. You can see that we still have those two extra Lions to kill, next to Yuuki and Carla. They still won't move - which means that we have to go to them, which will take Kyosuke and company two turns. On top of that we have the two Barrelions, who will be chasing after Kai during all this. Now, we could have had Kai try to lead the Barrels over towards where the Shirogane would arrive, but that still requires us to split our forces up, and it would probably take three of our guys a full turn to take a single Barrelion down. Imagine also that we didn't continue from OG1 and didn't have money to spend on upgrades. The short version is, we're kind of reliant on Kai to help us take the Barrelions down. Two hits from a Barrel will kill him, and it's a 50-50 chance as to whether he dodges or not. In other words, this is one of the few places in the game where soft-resetting is accepted as a matter of course.   Luckily I only have to do it once, and casting Valor helps Kai wrap things up nice and quickly.   On the bright side, the Lions who were cockblocking Rai have stopped defending, and he makes short work of them with no real risk.     Arado whiffs again and Kai shows him how it's done.   Arado: "drat it, I knew this would happen! I'm outta here!"  On on Turn 4 we finish off the last of the grunts in short order.    Carla and Yuuki flee at 70%, and we still don't have the firepower to bring them down yet. At least they're not too hard to chase off.   Excellen: "Oh, you guys are taking a Waiuki vacation too?" Carla: "W... Waiuki? It's... Waikiki, isn't it?" Excellen: "But thieves aren't welcome here. In the name of the army, I will punish you! Or something like that..."   Carla goes for Bullet next.   Carla: "Looks like you made it, but you're too late!" Bullet: "Then we'll just get your next destination from you!"  Casting Grit means he doesn't have much to fear, though I get lucky on the counterattack.  And on the next turn Excellen knocks her out.   Carla: "H-Huh? The Tesla Drive is damaged! Sorry, Yuu! I'm falling back!"  As for Yuuki, I'm sure Bullet will get along with him just fine.   Bullet: "You're always saying the same things!" Yuuki: "That's my line. Talking to you is a waste of time." Bullet: "What was that!?" Yuuki: "Nothing I say will get through to you. Maybe combat will make you understand." Bullet: "Don't act like you understand anything!" Secret Mechs Step 1: Have Bullet fight Yuuki on Mission 8 Step 2: Force Yuuki and Carla to retreat on Mission 8 Step 3: Have Bullet fight Yuuki on Mission 9      Good start, although not quite enough. Kyosuke can't get more than a 30% hitrate agaisnt Yuuki, so Lamia casts Strike and finishes the job.   Yuuki: "What's this feeling... who is this?" Lamia: (They should have noticed by now... there's no choice. I'll have to keep waiting.)     And that should do it.   Yuuki: "We've accomplished our objective. Fall back!" Closing quote:The Aggressors come aboard the Shirogane, where Lee immediately suspects Latooni of colluding with the enemy - as a former member of the School, she no doubt knows people among the current DCs. He's completely unmoved by Bullet's appeals on her behalf, and angrily reminds them of Ingram Prisken's betrayal. Kai agrees to take responsibility for the Falken's theft, which defuses the situation somewhat. Again we have a bunch of unused battle quotes, including quite a few for Arado that you'll never see because he goes down in two hits. Seolla: quote:Seolla: "!? Get out of my way!" Carla: quote:Carla: "Sorry, but we're taking the Wildfalken!" quote:Carla: "I knew it... this one's different!" Arado: quote:Arado: "Ugh... whatever happens, happens!" quote:Rai: "You're still just a rookie..." quote:Arado: "The Weiss, the Alt, the prototype Huckebein Mk. II... don't tell me this is the ATX team!?" Yuuki: quote:Kyosuke: "...You again." quote:Rai: "Answer me. How did you know the Falken was being tested here?" quote:Kai: "So these are DC remnants..." Seyser Koze fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Sep 6, 2015 |
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Sep 6, 2015 18:23
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So, perhaps it wasn't obvious, not everything is on the up and up when it comes to Seolla.
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Onmi posted:So, perhaps it wasn't obvious, not everything is on the up and up when it comes to Seolla. You mean the kids who've been trained and "modified" from infancy to be perfect super soldiers might have mental issues? I'm shocked. Really.  Also, glad that Kai joins nice and early in this game, he really should have been part of Ryusei's route in the last one if you ask me. Edit: Also also, am I the only one who thinks Cuervo looks kinda like Amuro Ray with sideburns?
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Alacron posted:Also, glad that Kai joins nice and early in this game, he really should have been part of Ryusei's route in the last one if you ask me.  Welcome to one of the bigger plot threads of the game, and also one of the loving worst. Yes, I may have taken the name of one of the characters involved as my username, but I will be first to say gently caress THE SCHOOL PLOT WITH A RUSTED RAILROAD SPIKE. I'll get more into detail as things go along, but here's the first bit I'll say on this matter: in the original game, this mission was stage 4 of 43. The School plot doesn't get resolved until stage 36 of 43. This plot could have been easily finished in...oh, 10-12 stages, but nope, it gets drawn out for 32 goddamn stages. Welcome to pain, folks.
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Did... did we just get ambushed by protagonists?
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I have to admit, for all that he's more than a little cliched, Arado always makes me smile with his doofus-ery.
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Glazius posted:Did... did we just get ambushed by protagonists? Actually, yes. Arado is the male real-robot lead from Alpha 2.
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Ah, there we have it. Seolla, Banpresto's second or third creepiest female character design. A 13 or 14 year old girl really should dress like that. (At least the manga made her seem older)
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Ashram posted:Ah, there we have it. Seolla, Banpresto's second or third creepiest female character design. If it makes you feel better, she's not 13 or 14. She's 15! And the actual outfit isn't that stupid (it's better than Aya's pilot suit, at least.) It's that Seolla has a bad case of Sudden Disappearing Bra Syndrome, the leading cause of injury for female mecha pilots. Hellioning fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Sep 7, 2015 |
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AradoBalanga posted:The game sort of implies that Kai did in fact join up with us as per the Kyosuke route, instead of sitting off to the side like on Ryusei's route. Now for the other parts of the stage.... I'd do a comparison about how the Inspectors handles this plotline, but we're still behind a bit on events AND later plot points are brought up sooner here. Hopefully once we get in a ways I can start doing comparisons, but based on my knowledge of original OG2 (i.e. none), it might be a long time before I can do that...
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Support Attack on everyone first, not SP Regen? Are you going to try to do this without SP Regen, or are you just waiting on it?
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I wondered why it was weird that Arado and Seolla some of the few normal Real pilots that don't wear pilot suits. I got my answer when I watched The Inspector.
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Poor Bullet, he tries so hard to stand up for Latooni and just makes it worse. Also throw me in as one of the folks that likes Arado. Seolla's cool too but I just like the little purple-haired spaz and the places his story is going to go. I don't mind the School plotline as much as a lot of people around here do.
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MarsDragon posted:Support Attack on everyone first, not SP Regen? Support Attack first, given that I'm already running into aces who I could shoot down if I could chain more than two attacks together. The early missions end so quickly that running out of SP isn't a major problem.
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TheLastRoboKy posted:Poor Bullet, he tries so hard to stand up for Latooni and just makes it worse. I stand with Arado to, which was another reason I took the route splits I did. Following his story was more interesting to me than most of what was going on. But the School plotline does get a bit... exhausted, near the end of it. As an aside, the Falken/Wurger is a neat bit of lore for the OG universe that of course wouldn't exist in Alpha 2 where neither of those machines exist. In Alpha 2 they were just a pair of units designed as a melee/ranged pair, while the ties here as a refinement for the already existing Alteisen/Wildfalken pair makes sense for the universe. It's one of the few extra connections the ATX team gets that I'm really okay with since it shows emerging world design.
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