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Know what's awesome? Murder Mysteries! Pitting your wits against the likes of Agatha Christie and John Dickson Carr to see if you can deduce the culprit before reaching the end of the book. However, these literary puzzles can be extremely difficult - so why should we take them on alone? The purpose of this thread is to read through classic and modern Whodunits as a group, bouncing theories around and comparing notes to try and catch the killer before the solution is revealed. The previous thread can be found here, and this one will proceed in approximately the same way:
Interested? Want to get involved? Pick up the book we're reading and join in! Current Challenge: The Blind Barber, by John Dickson Carr, is available on Kindle for $9 or Kindle Unlimited for free. Presently, you may read until the end of chapter 10. Spoiler tags are required anything starting from the beginning of chapter 8. Spoiler Policy
Books already challenged: The Body on the Beach, by Simon Brett The Problem of the Green Capsule, by John Dickson Carr She Died a Lady, by John Dickson Carr A Murder is Announced, by Agatha Christie And Then There Were None, by Agatha Christie Crooked House, by Agatha Christie The Moving Finger, by Agatha Christie Murder is Easy, by Agatha Christie Pit Prop Syndicate, by Freeman Wills Crofts The Ponson Case, by Freeman Wills Crofts Cat of Many Tails, by Ellery Queen Thus Was Adonis Murdered, by Sarah Caudwell Murder by the Book, by Rex Stout Books to challenge in the future: Green for Danger, by Christianna Brand He Who Whispers, by John Dickinson Carr Death and the Dancing Footman, by Ngaio Marsh Death in a White Tie, by Ngaio Marsh Overture to Death, by Ngaio Marsh Clouds of Witness, by Dorothy L. Sayers And Be A Villain, by Rex Stout Prisoner's Base, by Rex Stout The Shortest Way to Hades, by Sarah Caudwell Stop Press, by Michael Innes Discussing books to challenge in the future is always encouraged, even in mid-puzzle. I think last thread got a bit carried away with Agatha Christie, so I'm on the lookout for less well-known authors in the genre. Quinn2win fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Dec 20, 2014 |
# ¿ Aug 13, 2014 20:44 |
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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 06:25 |
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Since the above post will eventually change, posting it here for posterity: The first book of this thread is Cat of Many Tails, by Ellery Queen (which is a pseudonym used by two cousins, Frederic Dannay and Manfred Bennington Lee, who jointly wrote the series). Starting as soon as you pick up the book, you can read up to the end of Chapter 2 and start discussion. Just in case people have different versions of the book with different chapter numbering: Chapter 2 ends 12% of the way through the book, with the following line: "If you give me three minutes, I'll go with you." I'll allow plenty of time for this first chunk, since it's a new thread and people need to get the book and whatnot to get started.
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# ¿ Aug 13, 2014 20:47 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Thanks for running this thread and let me know if you need any help with it -- title changed, etc. You're welcome! I will keep it in mind, provided we get enough players to keep it afloat.
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# ¿ Aug 15, 2014 00:47 |
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Hmm. Have people started reading without commenting? Would there be more players with a different book? Is there just not enough interest in the Book Barn to keep this thread alive? Because I'm not gonna run it with only one person participating.
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# ¿ Aug 17, 2014 19:03 |
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Alright, three players and two more waiting for the next book is a better spread. Friends, go ahead and read up to the end of Chapter 4! This next destination point is 29% of the way through the book, and ends with the following memorable line: "I’m going to bed." The little naked man shuffled out. Posts above this one can be unspoiled.
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# ¿ Aug 20, 2014 13:30 |
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Well, let's go ahead and advance, then, to the end of Chapter 7. That is 47% of the way through the book, and ends on this line (this is an actual spoiler for once, so only read if you're not sure): There was the familiar Cat, but he had an eighth tail and it was not a question mark. Everything above this post can be unspoiled.
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# ¿ Aug 27, 2014 18:15 |
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It sounds like we've got some people trying to catch up, so I'll hold off on advancing until Fifteen and Hopeford are properly with us.
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# ¿ Sep 2, 2014 19:24 |
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Roman Hat Mystery was my first Queen book, and it nearly turned me off from the series entirely.
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# ¿ Sep 4, 2014 04:13 |
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All right, then, let's advance through to the end of chapter 9! This puts us 66% of the way through the book, and ends with the following line: And Jimmy McKell snarled, "Me, too!" Everything above this post can be de-spoiled.
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# ¿ Sep 4, 2014 18:51 |
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Well, then, let's move things along to the end of Chapter 12. That is 92% of the way through the book, and ends with this very spoilerly line: "I mean, Professor Seligmann, that Cazalis did not kill those nine people. Cazalis is not— and never was— the Cat." Everything above this post can be de-spoilered. This is the LAST SECTION BEFORE THE SOLUTION, so everyone lock in your final theories! Also, since we're getting to the end here, we should start talking about nominations for the next book! There's a list in the OP, but new books are always welcome.
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# ¿ Sep 9, 2014 16:23 |
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I'll add a couple books from them to the list - any particular recs from either author?
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# ¿ Sep 10, 2014 20:18 |
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Yeah, let's go ahead with that. Finish the book! Ending spoilers: Ultimately, as much fun as this book is to read, I don't think it was a great fit for the thread - not enough clues and suspects to keep discussion rolling. Still, congratulations! For our next round, how about Thus Was Adonis Murdered?
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# ¿ Sep 22, 2014 02:41 |
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No particular advice, but I did have the pleasure of playing the second How To Host A Murder (The Grapes of Frath) at a convention last year, and it was an insane amount of fun, in much the same way as this thread. I hope you enjoy it!
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# ¿ Sep 22, 2014 04:30 |
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Anyway, would you be willing to kick us off for Thus Was Adonis Murdered, Rand?
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# ¿ Sep 24, 2014 21:51 |
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Caught up! Making a quick possible suspects list based on Chapter 4. Julia Larwood: The chief suspect, and certainly not the culprit. Major Bob: Insufferable blowhard who keeps flirting with Julia. Do we know who the victim is gonna be in this one? I'm betting it's this guy. Eleanor Frostfield: Matron, and acquaintance of the Major through business. Ned: A beautiful young man. Kenneth: Ned's broad-shouldered Scottish friend. Marylou Brendon: A pretty blonde girl. Sanford Brendon: Marylou's husband. That's all I picked up from my quick read-through. Did I miss anyone who's actually in Venice? Quinn2win fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Oct 1, 2014 |
# ¿ Sep 29, 2014 21:46 |
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Caught up, but I don't have much else to add to the mystery discussion. The book is wonderful to read, though, we should do more by this author. Worth noting for posterity: Miss Tiverton died of natural causes, and her collection did not contribute to the crime's motivation in any way. Quinn2win fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Oct 25, 2014 |
# ¿ Oct 6, 2014 21:23 |
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I'm caught up, but I don't have access to my notes. Will do a big speculationpost/infodump later.
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# ¿ Oct 18, 2014 17:28 |
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It'll probably be a day or two before I'm able to assemble my thoughts, so I don't mind falling behind by a segment. e: I went ahead and added the next book in this series to our to-read list.
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# ¿ Oct 18, 2014 19:42 |
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OKAY, assembling my thoughts from 11-13 before diving into 14-17. Story reconstructed by Julia and Marylou
Unless there's some serious shenanigans about, Ned died shortly after 6 PM. The Arguments of the Vice-Quaestor
So, possibilities. The evidence is pretty drat strong that it's one of those three, which is why I can't help but try to think of ways it could have been someone else. The last point from the VQ is the most dubious one - it seems doubtful, but someone could have already been in the area before the guardian chambermaids arrived. Questions
On the third question, as well as I can sort it out:
There's a lot going on here, and it's not all in place yet. Time to dive into the final segment.
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# ¿ Oct 20, 2014 22:04 |
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Also, does anyone want to volunteer to run the next round? I'll start reading one of the Simon Brett books soon, so I can run the round after that. We've got 13 books lined up in the OP.
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# ¿ Oct 20, 2014 22:06 |
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I don't buy the suicide theory. No weapon was found at the scene. Did Ned stab himself in the heart, throw the knife out the window, then lie down to die comfortably? Even if it's possible, why would he do all that?
Quinn2win fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Oct 27, 2014 |
# ¿ Oct 24, 2014 18:24 |
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Okay, let's consider the contradiction. I'm not good with motives, so I'm focusing on the "impossible" crime aspect.
Possible explanations: Ned died while Julia was sleeping and she didn't notice. This has a number of problems. Julia sleeping through Ned's murder? Julia not noticing that he was dead? If he had been poisoned or something that would be one thing, but he was stabbed in the heart. That would be a bloody affair, and I don't buy that she wouldn't have noticed, no matter how dim she might be. The person next to Julia when she woke up was not Ned. Does anyone else look like Ned in this story? I can't get a decent explanation out of this one. Ned did not die at 3 PM. The autopsy being wrong would be unfair, especially since the examiner wasn't a named suspect. Tossing this one out. Julia didn't wake up at 6. I can't get a way to make this one work, either. Not well enough to cover a three-hour time gap. Julia lied in her letter. There hasn't been any evidence of this, and if she's not the killer, then why would she? Ned died via some subtle method at 3 PM, and then was stabbed after 6 PM. These are getting more ridiculous as I go. poo poo, I can't come up with any plausible explanation. This is one slick murderer. Quinn2win fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Oct 27, 2014 |
# ¿ Oct 25, 2014 01:01 |
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I like the theory that Julia was in the wrong room, actually - did she ever see the body? Do we know for sure it's the same person? I only have about half a theory here, but I do remember that Marylou is the one who found the body. This feels like a decently plausible lead. Quinn2win fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Oct 27, 2014 |
# ¿ Oct 25, 2014 11:15 |
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Do you think it's OK to stop spoiling anything at this point? We're kind of into final discussion mode. Here's another inconsistency: The state of Ned's body. According to Julia: "Ned, lying beside me, still looked so peacefully asleep that tender-heartedness prevented me from waking him." According to Marylou: "I kind of remember thinking, 'he doesn't look too comfortable lying that way, I don't know how he can breathe with his face in the pillow like that'. And then I saw the blood." At this point, I think we can safely say that Julia didn't awaken next to a corpse and confuse it for a sleeping person. This is the heart of what we must solve: The victim died before 3, but the person sleeping next to Julia was alive at 6. By this, I say we have to pursue the theory that they were not the same person. That's where it gets tough, though: Julia was head over heels for Ned, and was basically staring at his face for the entire book, both before the incident and after the incident. Julia was around Ned and Kenneth at the same time, so it's impossible that Julia and Kenneth had totally separate ideas about who Ned is. Kenneth was present when the body was found, and didn't say anything about it not being Ned. Marylou was there as well, and she didn't notice anything odd, either. Nobody in the story was described as looking anything like Ned. So how could they be different people? What the hell is going on here? Quinn2win fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Oct 27, 2014 |
# ¿ Oct 27, 2014 03:50 |
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poo poo. Are we out of theories? If it comes down to it, I'll make this my fallback half-theory:
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# ¿ Oct 28, 2014 00:26 |
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I guess it doesn't look like any better theories are coming forward. Kenneth's my vote. Should we see how badly we did?
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# ¿ Oct 30, 2014 01:43 |
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This was one of the best books we've hit in the history of the thread. My only problem with the final explanation, admittedly my own fault rather than Caudwell's, was that I have no recollection of who the hell Richard Triverton is. So! What's next, thread?
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# ¿ Oct 30, 2014 04:54 |
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Well, the only book on the list I've read is Murder on the Orient Express. If we don't want to dive into that experience, we'll need a different host, or I'll need to quickly read one of the Simon Brett books.
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# ¿ Oct 30, 2014 21:41 |
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Well, no other volunteers are coming forward, so feel free to lead us for round three as well! I'll read another book to run after this one.
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# ¿ Oct 31, 2014 21:04 |
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Well this is getting interesting fast. Putting that list of names here for posterity: Sinclair Meade Sinclair Sampson Barry Bowen David Yerkes Ernest Vinson Dorian Vick Baird Archer Oscar Shiff Oscar Cody Lawrence McCue Mark McCue Mark Flick Mack Flick Louis Gill Lewis Gill Two Sinclairs, two Oscars, two Marks, two Flicks, two Gills. There's definitely a pattern to the names, but what is it? Trying to remember the exact sequence of events, but I read the first three chapters a couple days ago. Baird Archer's manuscript was written up last July, shortly before the second(?) victim showed up. None of the people named in the list seem to exist - aliases, or code words. Then, Wolfe's investigation begins, and Rachel gets pushed out a window (or jumps out). Why just then? Why didn't the killer get her during the intervening months? We need to see the manuscript. There's the package weight discrepancy - do we know for sure that there was a novel manuscript in there at all?
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# ¿ Nov 3, 2014 03:35 |
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Nothing new to add, either. Fun reading, but if there were any killer clues, they went over my head.
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# ¿ Nov 7, 2014 22:39 |
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New suspects! Let's list them! James Corrigan: Counselor-at-law. Led a lot of the discussion in Wolfe's office. Lost money over the disbarment incident, he claims. Only stuck around due to loyalty. Emmett Phelps: Counselor-at-law. Firm encyclopedia. Always right. Louis Kustin: Counselor-at-law. Go-to trial man, tackled a lot of cases. Replaced O'Malley after his disbarment. Frederick Briggs: Counselor-at-law. Very old, very resentful. Conroy O'Malley: Bitter ex-partner. Suggested the meeting with Wolfe. Had been out of town for a week, and didn't know about Baird Archer (supposedly). Disbarred on a split jurry with insufficient evidence for a felony conviction, after bribing a juror. Claims it was the juror's wife that informed the court. Charlotte Adams: Corrigan's secretary. Sue Dondero: Phelps's secretary. Eleanor Gruber: Kustin's secretary. None of them (secretaries excluded) ever wrote fiction. None of them (secretaries excluded) had any hint that Dykes wrote fiction. All of them got a bigger share thanks to the disbarment, but the partnership is in jeopardy. Good information, still don't have enough to start thinking of a culprit yet.
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# ¿ Nov 13, 2014 22:28 |
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I read through sixteen! I just kept putting off posting because I wanted to go through it again to gather thoughts. So far I don't have any idea who did it, or really anything else. Here's hoping the last chunk opens some eyes.
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# ¿ Nov 25, 2014 22:02 |
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If that wasn't the solution right there, then I have to admit, I'm stumped. If there's an alternate solution hidden in all that, I might need to read it a few more times to puzzle it out.
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# ¿ Dec 2, 2014 22:37 |
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All right, let's take a look. Corrigan in CA: -Hears that a literary agent wants to sell PNYT to Hollywood, and that the owner of the manuscript wants his advice -Calls Potter, asks if she's seen or read the script, and tells her not to sign anything until he arrives -Asks Finch why he believes the book to be connected to Dykes -Demands to see the manuscript, said it was libelous -When refused, attacks Finch -Goes to Mrs. Potter, surprised to see Finch there -Demands to speak to her alone, is refused again, leaves -Tries to sneak into Finch's hotel room, finds Goodwin there, leaves -Goes straight to the airport, books the first flight to New York -Makes a call from a phone booth Corrigan in the suicide note: -PNYT was a book about the crimes of his law firm -Found the manuscript at Dykes's desk -Confronted Dykes, who said he hadn't told anyone -Dykes gave him the manuscript and he destroyed it -Writes PS 146-3 on the corner of Dykes's letter of resignation -Dykes tried to blackmail him, so he killed him -Finds out about Rachel and Joan, killed them too -Learns about the manuscript, insisted that he go personally to CA -Tries to sneak into Finch's hotel room, finds Goodwin there, leaves -Takes first plane back to NY -Phones partners, they insist on going to Wolfe directly At first glance, it looks like it lines up pretty well. The suicide note seems to be unclear as to whether the phone call was before or after the plane trip, but I don't see how it makes a difference. Anyone else spot something? e: I was reading Not Dead, Only Resting, but I honestly don't care for it very much. If nobody else has any ideas, I'll offer to run Murder on the Orient Express for our next round. Quinn2win fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Dec 3, 2014 |
# ¿ Dec 3, 2014 22:10 |
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Well, I guess we're not doing that one.
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# ¿ Dec 5, 2014 03:26 |
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Even if it wasn't generally spoiled, I wouldn't let us run Roger Ackroyd. What a bullshit book. I'll read ahead tomorrow. Maybe I can still find something to run next.
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# ¿ Dec 5, 2014 03:44 |
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Rand ran the last two rounds, so I'd like to give him a chance to join in if possible.
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# ¿ Dec 5, 2014 03:54 |
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Well, I guess we lose. I feel like a lot of new clues got uncovered during the conclusion, but I'm not sure if it was still possible to pin it on a specific person. I've got a good lead on a new book to run, just give me some time to blaze through it.
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# ¿ Dec 5, 2014 22:04 |
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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 06:25 |
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ALL RIGHT, if nobody has any objections, I'm calling this one for our next round: The Blind Barber, by John Dickson Carr, is available on Kindle for $9 or Kindle Unlimited for free (there's a 30-day trial!). It's also loving funny and I'll vouch for it as a 100% solvable whodunnit. Once you have the book, go ahead and read up to the end of Chapter 4!
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# ¿ Dec 6, 2014 21:23 |