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Hexenritter
May 20, 2001

Buncha slack-jawed faggots around here

CourValant posted:

Is this a 'thing' or are we just making up moves now?

I'm guessing the Grey Knights have all kinds of ridiculous faith based poo poo we haven't seen so I'm spitballing.

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Loel
Jun 4, 2012

"For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.



Cawww

It was a race, and she knew it.

Edourd’s mind was losing coherance, and with it the golem outside was losing strength. Clouds of hydrochloric acid and flourine gas pooled around him, punishing his will even further, and her ravens were tearing into him from the inside out. Given even a few minutes, he would break under the pressure, catatonic or dead, and she would be free.

But she needed a few minutes. The wards were powerful, built for someone like her. Or, at least, a much weaker version. A few minutes, and she would win - this they both knew. But on the other side of things … well. She had to hurry. In the distance, amongst the breaking clouds, stars were approaching like the cold light of fae.

-

Blackfinger raised his eyebrows. “Always a pleasure to watch professionals.”

The rest of the bridge staff could only agree wordlessly. Indeed, they were silently fixed on the screens, the fleet of Grey Knights moving with the skill that only millenia of training could provide. They had avoided the multiple waves of cannon fire as if they had rehearsed for exactly that event - and who knew, maybe they had.

Now they were breaking from the shuttles, drop pods plummeting towards their target, the daimon-golem once called Edourd. Psyker energy was already radiating from them like heat waves, hexagrammatic wards forming out of pure nothingness in the emptiness of space. As more pods landed, the wards grew ever stronger. Bursting from within the golem, clouds of ravens railed against them in ever greater numbers.

CourValant
Feb 25, 2016

Do You Remember Love?

Hexenritter posted:

I'm guessing the Grey Knights have all kinds of ridiculous faith based poo poo we haven't seen so I'm spitballing.

dont be mean to me posted:

Edit: ^ ^ ^ ... now?

Karia
Mar 27, 2013


I feel like we're forgetting our magos background. It's time to start cheating. Connect a processor to a binding circle and have it start brute-forcing her true name. I'd bet with a little optimization we could be doing thousands of tries per second, and appropriate heuristics will let us trim down the pool of possibilities pretty drat quickly.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars




Just don't make the stars go out this time* and we're cool.

Does heresy even mean anything anymore?

*Arthur.

Hexenritter
May 20, 2001

Buncha slack-jawed faggots around here

Karia posted:

I feel like we're forgetting our magos background. It's time to start cheating. Connect a processor to a binding circle and have it start brute-forcing her true name. I'd bet with a little optimization we could be doing thousands of tries per second, and appropriate heuristics will let us trim down the pool of possibilities pretty drat quickly.

I think this is an absolutely brilliant suggestion that brings us back to our roots. Nicely loving done dude.

Loel
Jun 4, 2012

"For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.



Red queen

"Well, in our country," said Alice, still panting a little, "you'd generally get to somewhere else—if you run very fast for a long time, as we've been doing."

"A slow sort of country!" said the Queen. "Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!"


Anna chuckled morosely at the thought, but kept at it. The stars around her had formed a lattice of razorwire - if she was a thousand feet tall, they were the net that wrapped kilometers around her. Each node was a Grey Knight, and with every breath they came slowly closer. If she tried to fight them all at once, they would wear her down.

Instead, she wielded her immense power as a sledgehammer. Target a node, smash it to nothing. Each swing killed a Grey Knight beyond repair - but each time she focused on one, the others took their chance to push forward. If she killed enough of them, there would be a hole large enough to escape from Edourd. If they got close enough, her mobility would decrease, and eventually her ever-so-powerful hammer would be tied to her body. Powerful, yes, but useless.

Just keep swinging, Anna. Just keep swinging.

Loel
Jun 4, 2012

"For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.



dont be mean to me posted:

Just don't make the stars go out this time* and we're cool.

Does heresy even mean anything anymore?

*Arthur.

This is a good read

mepstein73
Sep 18, 2012

Whether or not you find your own way, you're bound to find some way. If you happen to find my way, please return it, as it was lost years ago. I imagine by now it's quite rusty.


Loel posted:

This is a good read

I LOVE this short story! Always have.

Also, +1 to brute forcing Anna's name.

Arkanomen
May 6, 2007

All he wants is a hug


Attack Anna directly while screaming her true name while beating on her with DISCO BOT

"FAILURE. MISTAKE. ABBERATION. BROKEN. PRETENDER. I AM OHONE KONICHEV AND MY HAMMER IS BIGGER THAN YOURS."

Xarbala
Feb 13, 2011

Rolling Thunder: War to the Knife, Knife to the Hilt

Why? , that's why.

Anastasiya Fabiyanovna Konicheva

Hexenritter
May 20, 2001

Buncha slack-jawed faggots around here

Xarbala posted:

Anastasiya Fabiyanovna Konicheva

Oooh, yes, following proper Slavic naming conventions.

Loel
Jun 4, 2012

"For the Emperor."

There was a terrible noise.
There was a terrible silence.



Xarbala posted:

Anastasiya Fabiyanovna Konicheva



edit: Also, our first Name was 100% on, second name 60% or so. A weak bind, but good enough to move forward.

Next name is who she is. Not what she calls herself, but who she is. Ark's idea on the third Name is as follows:

quote:

Lastly, and this one is a bit more esoteric. "The Beast called I" . This carries double meaning, first being that we recognize that She is ourself, sure she lived a different experience but her soul is just a facet of the one called Ohone. That recognition means we can see her bare soul and KNOW it, the core of a power word. Secondly, and most important is that we understand her soul. Anna has likely lived so many iterations of reality that nothing else really is real or exists to her. Like when Bill Murray had his god phase in Groundhog Day. People are just little actors, they don't exist with consequence and thus aren't real. Anna is alone in her existence and thus her soul reflects that in its solipsisim and by understanding that we understand her and complete the power word.

Other suggestions, of course, are welcome

Loel fucked around with this message at Jan 20, 2018 around 05:21

Arkanomen
May 6, 2007

All he wants is a hug


I nominate that ohone "Binds Anna to the Wheel".

This is a cycle. Its was a cycle and it will continue to be a cycle. No matter how hard you struggle you are chained to fate and when the Wheel turns it will drag you with it, no matter how many extra links you forge to extend it. The time is now Anna and we bind you to what you have always been bound to.

Karia
Mar 27, 2013


dont be mean to me posted:

Just don't make the stars go out this time* and we're cool.

Does heresy even mean anything anymore?

*Arthur.

I'd totally forgotten about that story! It's phenomenal.

The naive approach would give us O(26^n) where n is the number of letters, which is goddamn terrible, but based on the linked xkcd article we should be able to get that down to O(2^n), roughly, and I'd bet we can do much better than that if we've got good family history trees to start from. Let's assume an upper bound of 20 letters, we should have maybe a million possible combinations. That isn't bad at all, though obviously it depends on how many cycles we can do per second. In the grim-dark space future have they solved P ≠ NP yet?

https://what-if.xkcd.com/34/


But in more seriousness: I feel like Anna's true name may have something to do with insecurity, weakness, and being trapped by fate. She grew up oppressed on the Beast, to the extent that she had to turn to the Darkness to secure any power at all (if I'm remembering her history right.) Even now, despite the fronts she puts on she's still a weak player in the absolute sense: effectively enslaved by Tzeench having her soul and doomed to spend her whole life putting together Athena's components to help someone else fight Loki. Better than anyone, she knows that she can't escape fate, can't alter her or any one else's destiny, even more so if she is us or our daughter or something. She seeks to gain power (pretty sure she's going to angle for stabbing Tzeench and taking over his post at some point) not for its own sake, but to gain some measure of control over her own destiny that despite all appearances she's never actually had. I'm not much good at this sort of word-play, but my nomination would be The One Trapped by Fate.

But it's been a long day and I'm not remembering everything we know about her so this could be totally off base.

CourValant
Feb 25, 2016

Do You Remember Love?

Loel posted:

"The Beast called I"

Arkanomen posted:

I nominate that ohone "Binds Anna to the Wheel".

Karia posted:

The One Trapped by Fate.

I feel we're getting too complicated and too poetic about this.

Think about who You are, and what 'name' would best represent the the sum total of your experience.

How did you get here, what made you like this, on what foundation were you built.

To be, this is a base concept, something raw, guttural, one word.

Hunger, Ambition, Fear, Lust, Anger, Betrayal, Indifference, Hate, Love, Greed.

I don't recall every scene that Anna was in, so help me out thread. What is the one unifying characterictic that drove everything she did. What single concept or idea led her to be a thousand foot tall squawking Daemon?

cat_herder
Mar 16, 2010

Reducing the feral and stray population, one round-up at a time.



Survival or Desperation, IME

I'm agreeing with the final binding being technologically constructed. It's what we're an absolute expert on.

YOOHOO FABIYAN WHERE THE gently caress YOU AT I HAVE A GIFT PROJECT FOR YOU, YOU CAN RAISE HIM LIKE A SON

cat_herder fucked around with this message at Jan 20, 2018 around 06:35

mepstein73
Sep 18, 2012

Whether or not you find your own way, you're bound to find some way. If you happen to find my way, please return it, as it was lost years ago. I imagine by now it's quite rusty.


I have a question!

Did Loel ever explicitly say that the proto-god forming in the black hole that was Sol is necessarily an evil Acheronic one? Because what if that's actually the Empress?

Think about it. We blow up Sol, and not even a month later, the big E tells Loki to shove off.

What do we know about where she ended up after her throne was usurped by the deceiver?

CourValant
Feb 25, 2016

Do You Remember Love?

mepstein73 posted:

Did Loel ever explicitly say that the proto-god forming in the black hole that was Sol is necessarily an evil Acheronic one? [b]Because what if that's actually the Empress?

Weren't the posts about the porto-god specifically about how it was impossible to look at because of how horrifically mind-bending it is?

I'd imagine we'd have 'some' clue if it was an Empress Embryo?

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Blasphemaster
Jul 10, 2008



Get in the loving cage Ugly Duckling. Bawk Bawk.

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