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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:someone get tomn in here I got your PM, but you realize I've got nowhere to begin until I've got some context to work with, right? By the time I catch up I imagine this interrogation session will be over. Besides, I don't do the deluge for EVERY CYOA. Just the ones with tons of fiddly-yet-important details.
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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:It'll take you like 20 minutes tops to read the last few updates, cmon I gotta drop off about now but I'll see what I can do later.
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Annnd I'm caught up. Shame I missed the interrogation. Had some ideas. Right, then. Ohone is a tech-priest, so let's get analytical. If these are Inquisitors, as seems likely (and as they seem to want to present themselves) they're here to do one of three things: Recruit us, question us, or shoot us. If they wanted to shoot us, they probably would have done so already, which implies they want to at least question us first. The fact that they haven't outright restrained us or boxed us in yet suggests they do not believe we will be a hostile witness, though they may think they need to apply a modicum of threat - there is reason to believe, then, that whatever they want to know is something they don't think we would tell them immediately, though they do not believe it will require a full-scale interrogation. The lack of restraints also suggests they probably don't intend to kill us, either, though it's possible that they expect to extract the answer they want with relative ease and intend to clean up loose ends immediately afterwards. We should keep a careful ear out for what they ask us - if it seems too simple, too harmless, then given where they decided to meet us they probably intend to kill us. Overall, however, the extreme secrecy doesn't quite seem to add up to a simple questioning session. It's too incongruous - the lack of restraint combined with the high secrecy and the overwhelming firepower that doesn't actually have us pinned. Execution also seems unlikely for the above reasons. They are likely here, therefore, to recruit us. The fact that they're doing so here, in a secret lair we thought safe while they possess overwhelming firepower, suggests that they want us to be drat sure who holds the whip hand. They will want respect, fear, and loyalty from us - competence optional but preferable. Given all that, let's try a shot in the dark. E: "I know that it is dangerous to work with them, but still more dangerous yet to refuse to. What is it you want from me?" This hints that we know what they want without committing us to anything and suggests a healthy degree of respect for their position, while at the same time appearing fairly competent in divining the reasons for their being here. It also gives nothing away on our part. If they're NOT Inquisition, we've said only that the Inquisition is to be feared - and if they're here in secret and talking about them, they likely agree. A bit riskier than simply pulling the stupid accountant act on the face of it, but given what they've already seen of our lab they likely already have a fair appreciation of our capabilities and won't enjoy appreciate our playing extra-dumb.
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A+B. Potential Chaos, from a psyker, at that, is a major issue that needs to be dealt with. I'd really like to handle the Mago's requests while I'm at it, but we're in a tricky position here - we've already been responsible for the downfall of one of our rivals, and if we knock off another one, and the leading heir at that, without doing a lick of work to benefit the Family, the Lord-Sire may begin to suspect us of overweening ambition and ruthlessness - which would be fatal. So, do something to keep the Lord-Sire happy. Pour a few Thrones into his lap so that he is satisfied with our conduct. We don't care only about ourselves, we care also about the Family, and there is no need to put us down as a threat just yet.
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Sogol posted:Overweening ambition and ruthlessness are positive character traits. Oh, in the world of 40K, agreed. As long as it's not pointed at you. And if we steadily knock off our rivals without benefiting the Lord-Sire...well, what is he to think of our next target? Would it not be himself, now that we are in the best position to benefit from his death? We need to show enough ambition to want to become his heir, but not enough to want to off him and expedite the process. We need to show enough ruthlessness so that he'll know we'll get the job done, but not so much that he thinks we'll go after all our personal ambitions the same way. We need, in short, to convince him that all we want to be is the perfect officer under his command - talented, decisive, ruthless, and yet loyal and dedicated to the needs and goals of the Family. It'll make it all the easier to take him down once he thinks that.
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Volmarias posted:I'm honestly not trusting of Amacita, even though you placed her under allies. She's far too trusting to survive in this family, something is up with her. I was initially inclined the think the same way you did, but if she's playing the long con she's playing the VERY long con - for the sake of the con, she was apparently willing to sacrifice decades worth of work and infrastructure in the form of Abraxus et. al. That's a pretty huge thing to set up and then throw down the gutter (and to taint yourself with by association) all for the sake of looking like a gullible idiot to one tech-priest who hasn't been involved in family politics for years. What, in the end, did she actually GAIN from the Cult? It seems more plausible that she really is in fact that dumb and has been getting by purely through overuse of the xenos artifact. We shouldn't take her (or anything else) for granted, of course, but we can probably put her in the tertiary suspects category. Unless she's a cultist of Tzeentch, in which case all bets are off. But hell, that's potentially true of everyone in the drat Imperium, isn't it? Come to think of it, say, Lowel, whatever happened to the Explorer's Guild, anyways? Did they get caught up in the purges?
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Hmm. Hey, Lowell, how feasible would it be to attach a space elevator to the top of a hive? I'm thinking we could get permission from the IG to try taking a hive from the top-down and shuttle troops and reinforcements directly into them, opening up another front (and possibly decapitating their leadership - unlikely that their leadership would be in the top section of the hives, but perhaps the planetbound would be willing to think that even xenos leadership would want to claim the fancy digs). If we wrangle salvage rights as part of the bargain (or better yet, as part of a pre-existing clause in our earlier contracts that they may not have noticed), we could then send in the looters to pick up everything not nailed down and send it right back up again. If we can establish a secure line, we could then charge an extra contract with the IG to allow them to send their own forces directly down through the elevator, and if the nobles ask for their poo poo back we could charge "safekeeping fees" to return their stuff. If we can't establish a secure line, we could blow the top of the tower in a "fighting retreat", thus removing the evidence of our theft. The only problem is how we'd attach that space elevator in the first place.
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While blowing the top off the Hive to steal it is awesome, I don't think it's Rogue-Tradery enough. Not sufficiently audacious. Sure, it's ballsy, and it's risky, but it doesn't have quite the right "magnificent bastard" tang to it. No, what we want to do is to SOMEHOW convince the IG that it's a GOOD IDEA to blow the top off a Hive. We want to preferably make them PAY us to blow the top off the Hive, even provide part of the equipment. We want them to pay us to use their poo poo to get our hands on the loot. So let's brainstorm. What would convince the Imperial Guard that they should send the top of a Hive into space?
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my dad posted:Just one question: What the hell would we do with a half-exploded chunk of a hive floating in space? Well, the top bit of a hive (not even the top half, just the top percentage) is usually where all the nobles and wealthy merchants live. That means all sorts of loot and artifacts in there - some of which, admittedly, may not survive a firefight and orbital exit, but enough of which may well do so and be worth the effort. Further, the top hive itself will be full of palatial residences - if we strap that to the Space Hulk, bam, instant luxury passenger quarters to sell extra tickets for. Bonus points if we sell those tickets to the very nobles we stole it from. If we can finagle the right kind of deal with the Imperial Guard, too, we might even be able to con them into PAYING us to take the top part of the Hive into space. Also, we'd be nicking the top part of a hive in the middle of a war with Imperial sanction. It'd be worth it for bragging rights alone as far as I'm concerned. Arcturas posted:We have to convince them the outside of the Hive is covered by Xenos who don't breathe vacuum (Kroot, maybe?). The easiest way to kill the Xenos is to blow it into space. This will also open an alternative route for assaulting the depths of the hive, where there are more Xenos, while saving the people living inside the Hive. Something like that, maybe? Outrail posted:"OK, general, we have Intel that the top of that hive is full of xenos/psyker mutants. Look, here's what left of a psider they sent to kill us. But you can't just destroy it, there's information important to the war effort in there. The people inside are a lost cause but we need what's in there alive for interrogation. I like these. Lemme add some refinements: "General, I think you'll want to take a look at this. See this psider? Nasty critter, isn't it? Well, during the fight I temporarily merged with its mind, and I have good reason to believe that it managed to implant a few eggs at the top of the hive, attracted by the more refined and educated intellects there. The problem is, I don't know where exactly. I'd wish we could just blast the thing from orbit, but it's all the noble's quarters, and you know what a giant stink they'd raise about it, and we can't afford to send in a drop force to try and storm the place looking for a handful of eggs stashed who knows where while fending off xenos invasion. Fortunately, I have an idea. If we blast the top of the hive off into space using carefully placed and timed explosives, we could isolate the psider and keep most of the nobles' toys intact. We'll need your expert assistance for this, of course, and we will of course be willing to do what we can for the Guard ourselves. Once the Hive is in space, the Beast of Traal will be proud to help cleanse it of xenos and seek out the psider for the Emperor - though we would request some compensation for the brave volunteers who shall fall doing His duty. Don't worry about the nobles - they should be pacified once we return their things to them, which we would be happy to do after arranging for warehousing fees. As a bonus, in the chaos of the top of the Hive lifting, your troops may well be able to take advantage of the temporary disorganization of the xenos, landing shock forces from above while they're still disoriented! This, too, we will be happy to provide assistance with - anything to help our brothers in arms. So, what do you think?" Whoops, just noticed that the nobles are actually still in the hives at the moment. Still, the general sketch is sound - we could even sweeten the deal by saying that the other nobles of the planet might complain about the Guard blowing up the nobles, but they'd never complain (much) about a rescue attempt to save them from xenos - and if the nobles happen to be enslaved by a greedy Rogue Trader, well, that's hardly the Guard's fault, eh? One smaller group of pricky bastards to get in the General's way, eh? Wink wink, nudge nudge. So yeah, I'm voting D: Let's Steal A Country. Also, whatever we do, I want us to take every opportunity we can find to double-bill anyone involved. Charge 'em for the mice, extra for the lice, two percent for looking in the mirror twice and all that. Tomn fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Feb 3, 2015 |
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LowellDND posted:edit: Do you want to tell Lord-Sire the plan, or surprise him? Given that we're planning on trying to get the IG to sign off on this, I feel like we should probably let the Lord-Sire know. He'll figure it out soon enough from the word getting around, and if it goes wrong it's the whole Family's rear end on the line. Besides, we might be able to get extra resources from the Lord-Sire if we let him in on it.
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If we don't convince the general now, we're going to have a LOT more hard rolls trying to steal nuclear warheads and the like without authorization. Spend the fate point now, keep from having to burn multiple fate points later.
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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:That fate point might well save our skin, convincing the general right now isn't critical. It may SEEM that way, but consider this: If we fail the convince the general now, we're going to need to steal a ship, then steal multiple nuclear warheads, and be sure to get away with it. Now, how many fate points do you suppose we'd need to spend making THAT happen? How many times will we fail a critical roll attempting to bring those about? Convince the general now and you'll never have to answer that question.
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As an aside, my knowledge on Dark Heresy in particular is a bit fuzzy, but aren't we Voidborn? That gives us like a 10% chance of getting our Fate Points back whenever we spend them, right? So we might even get lucky! Spend away, use our connection with the Warp for good!
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Speaking personally, by the way, I'd be kinda against stealing the hive cap if we can't get Imperial approval, if not assistance. There just isn't a quiet way to steal a hive, and we'd be hard-pressed to answer the various pointed questions that would be slung our way. SOMEONE'S gonna link the dots about the missing nukes, the stolen ship, the sudden explosion atop a hive, and so on, and if the Lord-Sire needs to answer those questions he'll be more annoyed than pleased.
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C. Keeping poo poo on ice is the best way to handle it. If we DO decide to purge our own memories it'd be pretty funny if Lowell went back and edited those bits of his post out.
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VanSandman posted:If a Krieger asks for the definition of the word "love," run away. They don't have to worry, we don't intend to hurt them.
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Xun posted:So I think I get the general gist of it, but what exactly is a memetic virus? This should serve as a general overview. In essence, any kind of virus that spreads not through anything physical in the traditional sense, but through ideas, images, sound, etc. In particular, imagine zombie viruses that spread through the sound of their groaning alone and you get an idea of why it's so drat dangerous. Tomn fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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LowellDND posted:Something else for consideration: How feasible/efficient would it be to create one-shot supply drop pods to supply the Kriegers with until we can get our own space elevator up and running?
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paragon1 posted:Lowell are you asking us for a plan on how to actually supply the Kriegers? That does seem to be the primary problem at hand with the Krieger's supply line gone. All the murder-servitors in the world aren't much good without ammo. Everything else is secondary to making sure they have what it takes to keep fighting day to day. LowellDND posted:Yes, good Awesome. Let's brainstorm a bit for alternatives, though - what other methods are there of getting something from space onto the ground without destroying both it and the ground in the process?
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This is the direction I want to go with. You could use hollow torpedo pods from the Beast, you could try to get a drop pod deployment ship from the Imperial navy, or something else entirely.
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LowellDND posted:As it happens, several hundred thousand tons of rails just crashed nearby. All right, sounds like we got a plan! Use hollow torpedoes from the Beast as supply drop pods as a stop-gap measure. While this is on-going, salvage the space elevator to create a mag lev train line from our own space elevator to the Kriegers - which, as a bonus, could also be used to shuttle reinforcements and the like between locations, so we should see if we can convince the IG over here to shell out for the rail line as well, double-dipping in effect. If the Kriegers still think they need it, we can take this time to set up ANOTHER space elevator, thus providing both locations with redundant supply sources in case one elevator goes down. Also, shame. Here I was imagining us finally managing to steal the Hive by attaching a giant straw to the top...
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Also, seriously, if the Kriegers go for the train, double-dip and try to sell the idea to the IG over here as well as a way of fast-reinforcing. Get 'em both to pay us for the same job!
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I'm gonna break with the mold here and vote D. Now that the transport operations have begun, we can effectively take credit for what happens to it, and smooth over any minor snags as they appear. I'm not gonna pretend that nothing will go wrong in our absence, but the coup we've pulled off isn't going to matter if everything gets bollocksed up because xenos/chaos. And this IS Dark Heresy, after all. Now, while the memetic virus is a serious and potentially very important threat to everyone here, the Inquisitor DID order us to dig up dirt on Limosa, and perhaps the two are related. Now that Limosa is on the planet, where we can get at him, we're free to investigate and dig deep into him. Amacita is a touch worrying, but little about her indicates that she's about to fire any plans off in the short-term - if she's got anything up her sleeve, it's purely long-term.
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If we're taking the rifle, check it over remotely VERY loving CAREFULLY. Wanna know a good way to gently caress someone over in the worst way? Leave them something you KNOW they'll fall over themselves for...and leave a nasty surprise inside it. Explosives, tracers, bugs, remotely-activated thingamagums that infect your electronics with a virus via wi-fi, whatever. The Trojan Horse is almost literally the oldest trick in the book. After all, what kind of fool could afford to buy an incredibly excellent weapon, and yet be stupid enough to hire an assassin too dumb to take the masterpiece with him...or to maintain it properly?
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nothing to seehere posted:Why are people saying we should try to hire the clerk? Our background check on her has shown her to madly, be incorruptible and willing to investigate anyone. So, we are going to try and offer the duty-obsessed incorruptible clerk a job? How is that going to work? Yeah, given that she was willing to try and arrest a cardinal right in the middle of a cathedral in front of his flock, I don't think she'll play well with the "Work with me and I shall lead you to Devires in exchange for my own safety" tactic. More likely she'll play along just long enough to get us both in one go. Sure, she's hyper-competent and relentless. But she's principled. And the thing about principled people is that you can never quite predict where their principles will decide to take them. Terrible people to have working for you if you happen not to be overblessed with principles yourself, as we clearly aren't.
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B. I'm surprised everyone is jumping to the idea that this is a normal handshake assassination. The cost of the weapon is staggering - the assassin, incompetent - the weapon, not well-maintained. That doesn't fit a normal assassination...but it CAN very well fit a human crew that's been mucked up by xenos/Chaos and who is no longer truly aware of the value of what they use or how to use it. A meat puppet driven by a demon or someone addled by an insanity-inducing virus or someone whose body has become host to mind-controlling parasites or something may well recognize that a weapon is good and how basically to fire it without being aware of how INCREDIBLY good it is or the fine details of how to keep it going. The last thing we want to do is to get sideswiped by an outside context problem here. If the Filthy Lucre is going to be a problem beyond the chaos it already caused by its departure, I want it SHUT DOWN.
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LowellDND posted:Even the 'good guys' (you, lord-sire) would be supervillians in most other stories. I dunno, Sincera Pax seems like a bona fide hero, albeit a noirish one. A regular Sam Vimes. Which is why I think it's crazy that everyone wants to work with her when she's almost guaranteed to use whatever we opening we give her to try and bring us down. Never try to manipulate the heroes, it never works the way you planned!
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I think there's something that most folks have missed here. The gun is the personal weapon of the founder of the Filthy Lucre's dynasty who used it to accomplish legendary deeds. This isn't a normal heirloom or ancient artifact. This is Excalibur, the Sword in the Stone, whosoever pulleth on this trigger to kick the asses of the enemies of Man is rightwise Lord-Sire of the Filthy Lucre and all that jazz. They would NEVER allow such an important thing to be used lightly or abandoned after a hasty assassination attempt. This means that there are three major possibilities behind why the gun is here in the first place: 1) The gun was stolen before the Filthy Lucre got its memetic virus, and they were unable to retrieve it before they all went mad. 2) The gun was stolen after or while the Filthy Lucre got its memetic virus, which means whoever stole it would have seen the virus and its effects up close - and in all probability, either knew something about the virus or was able to protect themselves from it. 3) The gun is being used by the same people (or entities) that infected the Filthy Lucre with the memetic virus in the first place, or was in the hands of someone acting under the compulsion of the virus. If the first, for what purpose did the person steal the gun? Simply to try to incompetently assassinate us? Unlikely. If the second, then we're dealing with someone who was willing and able to steal something out of a ship going mad and who is therefore very, very dangerous. But again, the motive comes into play - why go through even MORE risk than before simply to try to kill us, badly? Surely somebody who could pull off such a heist would also be able to be or afford a decent assassin? If the third? Then whatever infected the Filthy Lucre wants us gone as well, using whatever they have on hand. Now consider this: The Filthy Lucre warped out, smashing up its space elevator and cutting the Kriegers off from supply. We stepped in to fill the gap and were promptly victims of an assassination attempt. Once may be coincidence, and twice may be happenstance, but I don't intend to sit around waiting for enemy action. Adding E to my vote: Double up security on the supply operations to check for sabotage or signs of unusual behavior amongst the workers. Schedule a meeting with the Krieger's commissar ASAP and ask him this: "The Filthy Lucre warped out under unusual circumstances, severing your space elevator. I stepped in to supply you, and just survived an assassination attempt. It may only be coincidence, but I want to be prepared: What do you intend to do if you were left out of supply? And more importantly, if you were in charge of the enemy, how would you best exploit the Kriegers being out of supply?" Also, re: Sincera Pax, why are we voting to tell her anything? Her bailiwick is corruption, fraud, and abuse, and we're suspect number one in her mind. What does she know, and what can she tell us that would be relevant to this assassination attempt? How would it persuade her to stop investigating us? Why would she even be interested in the fact that someone wants to kill us? The only way we could get her off our backs is to point her at a bigger fish, but what would telling her about this gun point her at? And perhaps most importantly, why would we trust her to report any findings she comes up with honestly and fairly when her open aim is to catch out our corruption and take us down legally? tl;dr: If Limosa or Amacita prepared this, they're most likely heavily tied into whatever happened with the Filthy Lucre as well. Furthermore, it seems likely that this assassination is tied into the greater war effort rather than being a personal vendetta. Figuring out what happened to the Filthy Lucre has just become priority number 1. Also, Sincera Pax isn't likely to add anything to this.
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RandomPauI posted:Changing to plan Tomn. Also good god man, do you or Lowell ever sleep? The basic line of reasoning struck me as I was walking down a hill to get some dinner, and I find that once you know what you're going to say ahead of time you can usually slam them down pretty quickly when typing. I DO have a touch of insomnia, though. LowellDND posted:edit: I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO WHEN SOMEONE SEES THE GEARS You might try asking Diogines over at Paradise Lost for advice on that! He's got plenty of experience to draw on. PLENTY. Lemme know if it ever gets too much, though, I can dial back! A bit. When I remember to. (Also, PS my vote is B+E, I want to add in doubling up on security and meeting with the commissar while following up on the Filthy Lucre leads as far as we can.)
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B, with all reasonable precautions. I still feel like these attacks are consistent with a xenos mind-controller who isn't entirely familiar with human methods. Shame the Kriegers shot the servitors up, they might have provided interesting evidence. Is there enough left of the servitors to examine them for clues on who tampered with them and how? Also, when we counter-hacked the servitors, did we notice anything interesting about the hacking attempt itself? Signs of particular sloppiness, unusual approaches, the like?
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LowellDND posted:edit: Oh! One other thing. Examining the bodies shows they were adjusted within the last hour or so - the attacks show very little planning, instead reaching out to whatever is at hand. It doesn't look like they had a trigger beyond distance/facial recognition - the gas masks appears to be simply coincidence. (i.e., they pinged your face, and when they got close enough, activated) In the very last hour? I was thinking that the "escaped scion of the Rogue Trader out for revenge" thing might have had merit, but this seems a little too fast and too coordinated for that. Do the servitors have any memory banks we can recover to see if we can get a view of who exactly tampered with them? Hopefully someone so amateur wouldn't have thought to wipe or modify such things.
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Well, now. The only question that remains is whether he's acting alone or if he's under compulsion. And you know what? If this putz is such an amateur, he might even be sticking around to see if his little trick worked. Adding E on top of my previous B vote: Servo-skulls out. Upload the guy's face and build to them and start scanning everyone and everything in range. Be doubly suspicious of anyone conspicuously legging it away from us, too. If we get a positive match, make it clear to everyone that we want him ALIVE.
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Oh! Addendum to the E vote: Shoot the picture of the kid over to Skade, see what she can find out about him. Also, Plan Lanky Coconut Tree is a good extension of my own, and I approve as long as we make it clear to those who happen to be around him when the message plays that we want him taken alive. Edit: Also, release the Nallanis, they're clearly innocent.
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You know, every so often? Every so often? I need to remind myself not to ascribe to malice what can be explained by stupidity. Even mind-boggling stupidity. B, but give him a good once-over first to check for hidden surprises. I imagine he might have some interesting things to say regarding the Filthy Lucre. It's almost certain that he doesn't know poo poo, but by picking his brain over we might narrow down the possibilities.
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