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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost
https://jickenwings.org/









Welcome to (finally) another Kingdom of Loathing thread! Come join the revelry of another goon MMORPG presence!

Kingdom of Loathing is a satirical spin on the old story though, taking a real tongue in cheek approach to even its own existence. It makes fun of all facets of pulp culture, from movies like V for Vendetta and Harry Potter, books like Gravity's Rainbow, and heck, even itself on the rare occasion.

Stream schedule:


The Basics

The game is a browser-based RPG with faint MMO elements (buying, selling, trading, and now raiding), where you and your trusty familiar grind to level 13 and beat The Naughty Sorceress, the vilest villain in the kingdom. Once you beat her, you can retain most of your success (your familiars, your items, and your money, called "meat" in this game) and 'reset' the game by ascending as a level 1 in a new class with new features and abilities. The cycle of fun is infinite!

Starting a character

Much like traditional RPGs, there are three different basic styles of gameplay

Starting in 2013, a revamp was added to not make cookie cutter more unique. The amount of class skills you could learn doubled!

  • Muscle classes - The Seal Clubber and Turtle Tamer best their foes by beating them senseless with large clubs and swords
    • Seal Clubber - Your standard barbarian build. Focuses mainly on beating everything senseless with a thirst that can only be quenched by blood. Seal blood.
    • Turtle Tamer - The standard shaman/knight tank build. If you like turtling damage, communing with nature and summoning powerful spirits, this is pretty much the class for you.
  • Mysticality classes - The Pastamancer and Sauceror fry their enemies with nuclear spells and high energy discharges.
    • Pastamancer - Summoner/elemental mage build. They are able to attack from any end of the 5 sided elemental spectrum. They also can call upon various pasta creatures to aid them in combat.
    • Sauceror - Alchemist/Sorceror. Saucerors are able to craft powerful sauces and potions that other can only dream of.
  • Moxie classes - The Accordion Thief and Disco Bandit are the "cool" classes. Built heavily around avoiding damage and plinking opponents to death, Moxie classes can either be some of the squishiest or deadliest classes in the game.
    • Disco Bandit - You know you want to play as one. Everyone does. Able to dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge around attacks while dazzling opponents with your dance moves, the Disco Bandit knows how to lay it down. And he can mix a fine cocktail as well.
    • Accordion Thief - No longer the pitiful bard class, Accordion Thieves are able to beguile enemies and friend alike with his music. They kind of no longer sucks for new players. They have actual attack skills now!

There are also some additional special classes (more on them later) that aren't immediately available.

Well I signed up for this years ago and what's changed?
Chances are, quite a bit. You can take a look here for a chronological list of what's changed.

In 2007, NS13 was released. This was an overhaul of most class and familiar mechanics, while also adding 2 new story quests to the game.
In 2008, multiplayer dungeons were added.
In 2009, a revamped version of the Nemesis quest was released.
In 2010, the decision to revamp all of the old pre-NS13 quests and other lovely areas started. (Update for 2013: All of the Pre-NS13 quests have been revamped!)
In 2011, the ascension system was revamped and now we get new special challenge paths every 3 months. (February 15, May 15, August 15, November 15).
In 2012, chat got revamped and would be usable if not for the fact that it's chat.
In 2013, classes in the game got a massive overhaul and skill expansion.

Somewhere along the line they also allowed players to start collecting crafting recipes in game. No longer did you need to go look up on the Wiki on how to make pizza. Making it once suffices, and you even can keep recipes you find scattered around the kingdom as well.

Familiars

Familiars are this game's pets. Every player can have one out at a time, and there are a ton of "basic" familiars that every player can access, without hitting the jackpot or donating money. More complicated familiars are harder to get, but the basic familiar types involve increasing statgain, meatdrop (the game's currency), itemdrop, or combat-aid. Combat aid, while the most attractive to new players, is generally the most useless. You can get the best simple statgain familiar by fishing in the sewers for a few worthless gewgaws.
Just a quick reference so you don't think we're entirely crazy when we talk in terms like 1.0 fairy and 2.0 volley.
    After-Battle familiars
  • Volleyball - Easily obtained, gives extra substats after a battle. Just get a volleyball and a seal tooth from the hermit. Use the seal tooth, use the volleyball, and you get the familiar.
  • Sombrero - The other stat gain familiar. Sombreros give extra substats based on its weight and the monster's level. A better choice for leveling in tougher areas.
  • Leprechaun - This familiar increases the amount of meat dropped after battle.
  • Fairy - Any time we talk about fairies, we're talking about familiars that improve item drop rates.
Generally the preference is item drop > stat gain > meat drop. However you're not going to see an item drop/stat gain combination familiar without a catch.

    Combat familiars - Mostly useless. There are some exceptions
  • Potato - blocks enemy attacks. Also for the longest time was a really loving annoying bottleneck if you never got one.
  • Starfish - damages enemies while also restoring your MP. Some cynics might say its wrong to purposefully do nothing in combat for 20 rounds just so you can fully restore a character's MP. They would be very wrong.

There's also things called spleen familiars, which let you get more adventures for a counter that's otherwise useless.

Eating & Drinking & ...Spleening?

So you've started your character, and you find that only have 40 adventures to spend in a day? Well that sucks, but how are you going to experience more of this awesome content?

Well, in order to get more turns, you're going to have to eat and drink, and maybe spleen yourself to more stats and turns. There's a bit more to this, but just remember when the game tells you should stop drinking, stop drinking. (Unless you don't want to adventure until tomorrow)

You can gain a general sense of how many adventures a particular food or booze will give by looking at it's quality. The progression goes crappy [0,1] adventures/unit organ damage -> decent (1,2] ->good (2,3] -> awesome (3,5] -> epic (5+).

You can also improve the quality of your consumables by crafting with them. Practically, lets start off with an ordinary bottle of gin. Gin gives 3 adventures, but costs 3 inebriey. So it's labeled as crappy (1 adventure/inebriety or api). We mix in an olive and make a martini. Martinis on average give 5.5 adventures, but still cost 3 inebriety. So this means we're at 1.83 api, so it's labeled as decent. If we take this one final step further, we can garnish* our martini with a little paper umbrella and make a little sump'm sump'm. This fruity girl drink gives 12 adventures on average, but at the cost of 4 inebriety, so 3 api. This means it's good quality.

The eating system works pretty much the same way. Spleen is a mysterious counter that exists so people wouldn't use too many substat items in a day. Then it powercrept into adventure generation and then into familiar that give adventure granting spleen items.

*-You can't make this drink unless you learn the appropriate crafting skill, which is why people love Saucerors, Pastamancers, and Disco Bandits so much.

Ascension? What's That?

Unlike most online games, KoL does have a fixed endpoint. You eventually level up, defeat the Naughty Sorceress, and you're done. Now there are things to do after beating the game, like clan dungeons or the sea ok maybe mostly clan dungeons and a few other challenges.

Well, once you're all done with whatever you want to do, you can go and bugger off the mortal coil and ascend to the halls of Valhalla. Whil you're there, maybe play a game of cards with some famous dead guys, chill, and then get bored and reincarnate.

The benefits of reincarnation are nice:
  • You are allowed to forever etch a skill into your skill sheet.
  • You keep all of your old familiars and items.
  • Exciting new areas that you've never seen before!
  • New play styles.
  • Special equipment and consumables to help you in the future.
  • Getting forever trapped in a cycle of beating this game so you know every goddamned skill in the game.

Check the next post for some more details on the various paths and challenges.

Goooooooooooooooooooooooons
The SA clan is "The Protected". Once you are level 3 you can apply to the clan by visiting the Clan Recruiter in Seaside Town. Post here and one of the clan mods will accept you. IF YOU DO NOT APPLY IN THE GAME, WE WILL LAUGH AT YOU IN THIS THREAD.

Clan rules (seriously read this, no seriously, it's not that hard):
  • :siren: Don't take poo poo from the stash that you don't need. If you can't afford your own hell ramen, go nuts, take your fill every day- NOT for three days in advance. But if you take more than your share, or take stuff and sell it, you might get booted.
  • The clan (in the game) contains a few neat features that you should really learn about. On the "clan" page, you can scroll down to read the clan announcements. Also on this page, you can access our stash, our clan message board (for organizing raids, planning contests, and sharing pubbie-griefing schemes), and the rumpus room (aka free toys and free fun for all).
  • We also have a fully stocked VIP room, complete with access to Faxbot (#2194132).
  • In order to get access to the clan dungeons we need you to give us a Mr. Accessory so we can ensure the clan is the best-advertised. Wait, we're not even that dickish.

This is fun!
It is, and if you really enjoy the game, you can donate :10bux: to the game devs via Paypal to get a Mr. Accessory, a highly decent item. The biggest advantage of the Mr. A, as it's called, is that it every month there is an "Item of the Month", that gives all sorts of ridiculous and unique laughs, like the Jewel hat, V for Vivala mask, and Wizard Action Figure (links at the top) Additionally, various goons are willing to sell the meat that they have accrued over their career at a better rate than the current market price, making it a much better deal for you to buy from them rather than from the devs direct. If you want to get more bang for your buck, give Sputnik a shout. (Other goons can be added to this list)

Chat
ALL of the public chat channels on KoL are terminally retarded. Try to avoid the idle idiot talk, unless you want to kill some brain cells. However, we have an :siren: IRC channel (#protected on irc.synirc.net).

If you're too lazy to download a client, you can connect with mibbit. (Just click here!)


A typical day in /trade
This is fun, but not for hours a day; good god!
The good news is that your account will never be deleted, so you can take a week off without having to worry about vacation mode or other goofy things. In the past, you needed to pay to have a Mr. Accessory to mark your account no-delete, but all newer accounts get it free. So your account from 2004 might not be around any more.

Additionally, if you find it a little fun, but not "stare at your monitor forever" fun, you may be interested in looking up Greasemonkey scripts to accelerate your browser mischief, or the botting program KoLMafia. KoLMafia automates adventuring for you, allowing you to avoid tedious repetition while still enjoying the game's content.

If you're feeling a bit more on the high-end side of botting, we also you recommend to take a look at KolProxy.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Nov 15, 2022

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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost
Challenge Paths

When you ascend and start a New Game+, you can choose the option to do a pathed ascension to gain some more karma and potentially some extra rewards.

The Classic Paths:

These paths have been around ever since ascension was in 2006, and offer minimal gameplay differences. The rewards also kind of suck.

Teetotaler
Restrictions: You've sworn a vow of temperance and consume anything alcoholic. No, you can't eat that giant gummi bear and soaked in vodka.
Special Reward: Some food that was good like 6 years ago before power creep. Maybe a special tattoo.
Boozetafarian
Restrictions: You're on a hunger strike, and the only thing you can do to ease the pain is drink. Heavily.
Special Reward: Some booze that was good like 6 years ago before power creep. Maybe a special tattoo.
Oxygenarian
Restrictions: You've decided that eating and drinking really isn't necessary and you can sustain yourself off of air.
Special Reward: Some canned air that was good like 6 years ago before power creep. Maybe a special tattoo. Hardcore Oxygenarians will also pick up a special piece of equipment based on their class.

The "Not Officially a Challenge Path" Challenge Path:
Bad Moon
Restrictions: Bad Moon can only be played if you forsake good luck during a hardcore ascension. This is the so-called "level" playing field, where characters are reset to tabula rasa (no immediate access to permanently marked skills or familiars). Don't worry, you won't actually lose anything.
Special Reward: A special piece of Brimstone equipment based on your class. Technically, Bad Moon is the hidden tenth moon sign, and as such doesn't actually count as a challenge path. (No bonus karma)

Standard/Type69:
Formally introduced in the rollout of the new Sorceress's tower, Standard restrictions are similar to what you might find in Magic: The Gathering. You may only use content that has been released in the current calendar year or previous 2 calendar years.

Standard grants an extra 50 karma for a softcore run or 100 karma for a hardcore run. You will receive a piece of an outfit dependent on the class, year, and if it was softcore or hardcore. This equipment supersedes your normal piece of stainless steel gear.

(While we are in the first official Standard season in 2015, and it hasn't been confirmed that these rewards will be changed annually, the fact that the tattoos for each outfit is "'15" may suggest it.)

Special Challenge Paths:

Since the Summer of 2011, KOL has periodically released special challenge paths. These paths give the largest amount of bonus karma, but only when the ascension is started during their active season. Gameplay can be quite different, ranging from item usage requirements, to entirely new mechanics or classes.

Starting with Heavy Rains in Fall 2014, Standard restrictions now apply to all special challenge paths when it is in-season.

Season Start dates:
Spring: February 15th
Summer: May 15th
Autumn: August 15th
Winter: November 15th Note: Winter paths tend coincide with Crimbo, so don't expect the best paths.

All paths receive a special thwaitgold statue at the completion of a run.

Players under a special challenge path won't gain any bonus from The Feast of Boris.


Paths (Newest at bottom)


Bees Hate You (Summer 2011)
Description:Ever since you were a little kid, bees have hated you. But living well is the best revenge, so you're gonna power through it, and prove that the stings and arrows of every bee in the Kingdom aren't enough to stop a truly dedicated Adventurer
Notes: Bees really loving hate you. Bees periodically attack you, you can't use any item with the letter "b" in it's name, and wearing equipment with the letter "b" in its name can be painful.


Way of the Surprising Fist (Autumn 2011)
Description: You follow the teachings of the Ancient Masters of the Surprising Fist. You'll have to register your hands as deadly weapons, but it might be tricky to pay the registration fee on account of your vow of poverty.
Notes: You can find scrolls scattered around to teach you special attacks. You can't equip any hand held equipment, and you have severe restrictions on how much meat you can earn.
Special rewards: You can become a Master of the Surprising Fist and significantly improve your barehanded attacks.


Trendy (Winter 2011)
Description:You're a slave to fashion -- a prisoner of style. You cannot use any item, skill or familiar that has been unavailable for more than one year. This includes Mr. Store items, holiday content, expired raffle items, and all other limited-time stuff
Notes: This is basically Magic: The Gathering's Type II format. It's kind of a lazy restriction.


Avatar of Boris (Spring 2012)
Description:You're filled with the spirit of Boris, the voracious, ferocious, and prestigious Legendary Warrior of the Times of Old. Armed with only your trusty axe Trusty and your faithful minstrel Clancy, you'll use an entirely new set of skills to defeat the Sorceress.
Notes: The first Avatar, AOB is a special class with an entirely new skill set and a bard.
Special rewards: You can learn the skill "Request Sandwich":.


Bugbear Invasion (Summer 2012)
Description: A parallel universe in which the Kingdom has been invaded by hostile bugbears from a different parallel universe.
Notes: Bugbears have invaded the Kingdom, crushed the Naughty Sorceress, and have spread out amongst the population. It features an entirely new and unique endgame.


Zombie Slayer (Autumn 2012)
Description: The dead are rising! Okay, it's been known to happen from time to time -- zombies aren't exactly rare in the Kingdom -- but this time it's serious! Take up arms to fight the undead hordes, before the entire Kingdom falls to a zombie apocalypse.
Notes: The entire Kingdom has been overrun by the Gray Plague, letting you have access to a special class. Oh and you're already dead.
Special rewards:


Class Act (Winter 2012)
Description: It's class warfare! You will only be able to use permed skills from your own class.
Notes: They can't all be winners.


Avatar of Jarlsberg (Spring 2013)
Description: You're filled with the spirit of Jarlsberg, the Legendary Wizard of the Times of Old. Armed with the secrets of the cosmos, you'll use an entirely new set of powerful spells to devastate your foes.
Notes: The second Avatar path. New claass, new skills and new mechanics. You can only consume items that you make (though there's nothing preventing you from absorbing the essence of an item)


BIG! (Summer 2013)
Description:You begin the game much larger (level 15), but all of the monsters are larger too!
Notes: The quest scramble path. You can attack quests in just about any order you prefer. However, a word of caution. You and monsters will start out at roughly the same stat level, but they will increase in toughness faster than you will.


KOLHS (Autumn 2013)
Description: Oh no, it wasn't a dream -- you really are back in high school!
Notes: You can only save the Kingdom after school — your first 40 daily turns must be spent learning in the eponymous KOLHS.

Class Act II: A Class For Pigs (Winter 2013)
Description: It's class warfare! You will only be able to use permed skills from your own class or generic skills, but you will start with all of your classes Guild skills. Also, killing monsters is more rewarding!
Notes: Yeah, they did it 2 Winters in a row. At least you can keep the skills and not have to pay a trainer to learn them.


Avatar of Sneaky (Spring 2014)
Description: You're filled with the spirit of Sneaky Pete, the Legendary Cool Guy of the Times of Old. Armed with sneaky thief skills and a cool talking motorcycle, you'll be the toast of the town.
Notes: The third and final Avatar class. New class, new skill, and a sweet customizable ride.


Slow and Steady (Summer 2014)
Description: You get 100 Adventures per day, no less and no more
Notes: Very much in the style of Oxygenarian runs, food/booze/spleens only can be consumed, but only give you stat points, no adventures. No IOTMs from before 2012.
Special rewards: bottled day (in-season only)


Heavy Rains (Autumn 2014)
Description:Torrential rains have flooded the Kingdom, making everything extremely difficult. But you can rise to the challenge (seriously, this one is challenging) with the help of some powerful new skills.
Notes: Introduces a new mwater level difficulty mechanic, some special skills.
Special rewards: beautiful rainbow (in-season only)


Heavy Rains (Winter 2014)
Description:You can only take 3 familiars and 11 permed skills with you — pick wisely! (Familiar hatchlings and skill granting items may not be used.)
Notes: Not too challenging if you choose wisely.
Special rewards: picky tweezers (in-season only)

Actually Ed the Undying (Spring 2015)
Description:Ed the Undying is back -- not that he ever left, really -- and he is super annoyed with a certain adventurer who stole something from him. Recover his/your property (yes, the perspective shift is even more confusing than usual on this one) with ancient curses, powerful spells, mummified servants, and the jackal-headed demons of the Underworld.
Notes:

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Feb 18, 2015

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost
Twitch Events
Have you ever wanted to see the development process of KOL in action? Periodically Jick will host a live stream where you can watch him code, draw, and answer questions live on Twitch.

A special work in progress zone will open up in Seaside Town that will only be accessible for a limited time.

Twitch Channel

The Not-so-Basics

*Advice for newbies*
What is Ascension?
Common Acronyms used (not super important, may help remove the feeling that we all speak tongues)

Spoiler links:
Playing the game through with no spoilers is a lot more fun than reading a walkthrough right off the bat. If you get stuck, someone in the clan can give you advice. However, there are a billion spoilers out there if you want that kind of thing.
The KoL Wiki is the de facto place to learn things about the game
This calendar gives a summary of lots of daily changes.
This page ranks skills on awesomeness, as determined by the cutting edge pretentious folks.
Spoiler/Tips including the Strange Leaflet powerup words:
http://www.zerokelvin.org/kol.html

Free buffbots:
Buffs are useful, and a few big clans run philanthropic buff characters. Do a /whois in the chatpane to make sure they're online before you fire off your requests.

Buffy

(and to a lesser extent, Noblesse Oblige and IocaineBot)

You can't be buffed while you're adventuring, so it's best to hang around in KOL's in-game chat until you get the messages that they've cast the buffs on you.

Things that you may want to know:
  • What is "Multi Abuse"? Since this is free game, the team running the show has defined "Multi Abuse" as being anything you do that gives another account you own an unfair advantage. This involves things like swapping gear, giving meat to your "main", and even buying from your main's store. Will you get caught? Maybe. If you do, some, or all, of your accounts will be deleted. Synraak said it best,

    quote:

    This quasi-rule about multi-abuse sounds a lot like reality in reference to the police... Passable infractions that are usually looked over can still screw you over if you're caught by the wrong person, on the wrong day, at the wrong time. Risk vs. convenience.
    so play your own odds.
  • What the gently caress is "baleeted," and why do people carry it around like a flag of honour? It's the same thing as /ignore, and in KOL, if you push a button in your store, you can keep them from giving you their precious precious meat for items! Oh boy!
  • What is "KMail?" KMail is the in-game private message system (not instant messages via the chat pane and the /msg command, but via the MESSAGES link through the top bar). This is how you send meat to buffbots for insanely cheap buffs. Remember, only 3 Accordion Thief buffs at once. (Conversely, /msgs are sent through the chatpane, and are "/msg name messagecontents" Spaces in names get converted to underscores in this mode)
  • I don't mean to sound all pretentious or anything, but this KoL market is about as mentally challenged as my disabled brother. Yeah, we know. You can make bajillions of meat selling to stupid people right after new content is released. If the new content involves some sort of puzzle or mental trickery, being the first on the case can mean you make millions.
  • This is fun, but I want to help! And we want you to as well! The biggest items of note in our clan stash are the Disco Bandit drinks, and Super Salads. If you've got spare booze components, scrumptious reagents, dry noodles or hellion cubes, you can toss them in the stash and when one of the mods gets bored we'll mix/cook them into delicious delicious high end products.
  • There are a TON of dishonest people in KoL. Use the trade function, not normal messages - unless it's a fellow goon, they may try to scam you. Trustbot, which is always called into play when trying to "sell" items of questionable rarity, is generally a better indicator of who NOT to trust than any judge of worthy character. Also, don't be like Tripwood and send a real astral badger when you were trying to sell a stuffed one.
  • BUY A STORE. DO IT. Players should buy mall stores as soon as they hit level 9. If a player doesn't have the 50,000 meat, he or she can ask one of those helpful people or the IRC channel for a loan, which the player will easily be able to pay back WITHIN AN HOUR OR TWO. Also note that mall stores are not removed, closed, or otherwise affected by ascension.

Collectibles

So you like to incessantly hoard things collect items? Hold on to stuff just in case you might need it one day?

Aside from some limited availability skills and equipment, KOL does have some fun diversions.

Monster Manuel

drat Gina, you didn't have to remove me from the game.
For the price of a Mr. Accessory, one can purchase a Monster Manuel from the Mr. Store. Manuel will keep track of various monster statistics (health, attack, defense, element, iniative, type) and offer interesting factoids and developer commentary about the monsters in the Kingdom.

Trophies

Awarded once for not wearing pants on rollover
This is what you've been waiting for. Achievements. That rush as you cram herb brownie number four hundred twenty down your throat. Was it worth it? As you look at your shiny new trophy you can feel the answer was "Yes".

Trophies are awarded for accomplishing various feats throughout the kingdom, and may take multiple ascensions to complete. You can purchase trophies that you are eligible for at the Trophy Hut in Border Town.

Tattoo


Tattoos are cosmetic rewards that can be displayed on your profile page. They are generally found by wearing a complete outfit set and visiting the Pretentious Artist in Seaside Town.

Avatars

There are now some special avatars you can collect by turning in full sets of ]steam trading cards.

Goon Help
Here are a few goon names in-game you can harass for quick helps, tips or aid. In chat, you can type "/whois name", without the quotes, to see if they are online or not (it will tell you what channels they are in, if any). Otherwise, you could just KMail them if you don't see them online.
*Sputbot
*Xaax
*kurai
*Very Flash
*BenMears
*Yuros
*TonyV


Here are some more specific tips:

  • There are many items, passive skills, and equipment to increase item drop. This is a good thing.
  • Gaining stats is what you want to do. It is the PRIMARY and ESSENTIAL way to progress through the game. Your blood-faced volleyball will be a godsend for your first dozen or so ascensions. Don't ever discount bonus experience.
  • Don't steal 30 chow mein and 30 scrumptious reagent potions just because "you're going into Ronin." NOT COOL AND YOU WILL GET SLAPPED FOR IT.
  • Don't do a Hardcore Oxygenarian run as your first ascension. Play it smart - ease into Hardcore, if you're looking for a challenge. Your first HCO run can be upwards of sixty days of pain and boredom.
  • Mushroom Mushroom! (Gloomy Mushroom plot instructions!)
  • A quick overview of prior Items of the Month
  • Have fun. It is a game, after all.


New Content
Other than long-term investment in Mr. Accessory Items of the Month, the best way to make meat is by exploiting the lust for new content. If a new zone opens or a new item is discovered, farming up these items to sell in the mall at offensive markup can earn you 10-30 million ($20-60 worth of American dollars if you bought the Mr. As and sold them) in under a day! Of course, the best advice and the best info is always circulating around our irc room.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Aug 30, 2014

fits
Jan 1, 2008

Love Always,
The Captain
IRC is easily the best way to answer any questions you have in a quick way or pester people to let you into the clan (after you post here, of course) and best way to get the scoop on new content as it drops. Always be IRCing

Crux
Apr 9, 2007



Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry...

Sorry.
Good thing we got this new thread, or I'd have never known about the Sword and martini guy.

Also, surprisingly, I didn't get lynched for suggesting the discontinuation of Mr. Accessories in /normal this morning.

kurai
Sep 10, 2001
This is the game which has held my attention for the longest amount of time by a wide margin. It has had a decade of constant content development - far more than you could get through in a month, as well as frequent unique world events. There are thousands of different ways of competing through various feats: you can build a collection of any of the ~8000 discrete items, there are a bunch of different kinds of achievements available (trophies for completing certain hidden tasks, tattoos for getting particular sets of equipment, various unique ascension rewards), alongside a wide variety of unlockables in general. It also has a PVP system and a few methods for competitive clan-based activities. There is an incredible amount of depth in KOL which newer players wouldn't immediately find - but if you enjoy the surface content, you should keep going (and you can ask us for help in figuring out ways to do more).

For me, this game endures because of two reasons: a full-fledged in-game economy (with dev-operated anti-inflationary measures and plenty of unwashed people to exploit for profit), and a highly optimization-oriented competitive game mode (depending on the ascension path, your day's first 40 turns might be 10-20% of your entire run). You can end up spending a lot of time on this game (and your related spreadsheets for it).

Incidentally, there is also a world event happening tomorrow:

amuayse
Jul 20, 2013

by exmarx
Aww poo poo. I wonder how much my old crimbo crap costs now.

Cryohazard
Feb 5, 2010
I wish this had an Android client. I have better poo poo to do on PCs (like posting).

delfin
Dec 5, 2003

SNATTER'S ALIVE?!?!
Did Jick celebrate the 10-year anniversary of Black Sunday by finally performing a rollback?

ModeSix
Mar 14, 2009

amuayse posted:

Aww poo poo. I wonder how much my old crimbo crap costs now.

It depends on when it's from, my crimbo poo poo from 2011 really hasn't gone up much in value, whereas some of the old IOTM's I have are now worth 30mil+ each.

Mercedes Colomar
Nov 1, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Why is The Sea surprisingly easy to deal with and why have I put off getting the Loathing outfit til now? I've got 3 Violence pieces so far. 10 more runs to go.

sfwarlock
Aug 11, 2007

Manuel Calavera posted:

Why is The Sea surprisingly easy to deal with and why have I put off getting the Loathing outfit til now? I've got 3 Violence pieces so far. 10 more runs to go.

I've got a mafia script that basically runs the sea for me in less than a day's worht of turns. I've STILL been too busy at work to ascend for almost a year.

kurai
Sep 10, 2001

kurai posted:

Incidentally, there is also a world event happening tomorrow:



Tomorrow is right now!

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

Manuel Calavera posted:

Why is The Sea surprisingly easy to deal with and why have I put off getting the Loathing outfit til now? I've got 3 Violence pieces so far. 10 more runs to go.

Now that it's finalized it's a ton easier to prep your gear.

Also you don't need to go to half to the zones

Mercedes Colomar
Nov 1, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Yeah I'm using the script. It makes it so easy other than hanging up on the colloseum a little bit, and getting the lockbox.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

Cryohazard posted:

I wish this had an Android client. I have better poo poo to do on PCs (like posting).

They're going to be pushing a mobile version.

Tonight!

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011



Oh man it's been forever since I played this. Couldn't remember any account names, so I rolled a new one, got it to level 3, and applied. Name's Kazinsal II, because I apparently had a Kazinsal account at one point but can't remember the email for it.

The Anime Turnpike
Dec 30, 2010

Ok so I did an ascension before getting in the thread, and saying I'm active again. So I'm active and the name's Lacho89 I'll try to get on for the first time on the IRC. Also the game is very different than when I quit. What's good now? Some new cool skill to perm? Or, some good things to farm for?

Skwid
Aug 20, 2011

I got tired of being a loser so I spent money to not be a loser anymore.
Thank god a mobile interface, I'll finally have time to play again! Applied to the guild as McSkwid.

Alien Sex Manual
Dec 14, 2010

is not a sandwich

I just applied for the clan, in-game name is Memnar. Jesus but I haven't played in...well, a long time. My familiars are probably hella hungry.

Geocities Homepage King
Nov 26, 2007

I have good news, and I have bad news.
Which do you want to hear first...?
I missed the last Twitch event completely. Does the 1920s section of the tower have anything worth looking at or should I just adventure in the top section?

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

Seravadon posted:

I missed the last Twitch event completely. Does the 1920s section of the tower have anything worth looking at or should I just adventure in the top section?

I don't think there's anything too great other than the shoes in the shoestore.


Monster Manuel facts if you want them, I guess.

Sagabal
Apr 24, 2010

Oh neato, new thread. I'm still freaking working my way through an Av of Sneaky run since it came out. Keep forgetting to log in. Can I finally be promoted back to a plat goon?

kurai
Sep 10, 2001
Applications processed for Kazinsal II, McSkwid, Memnar. Grummit applied, but did not post.

Dizz
Feb 14, 2010


L :dva: L
Last time I played which was a million years ago, I had a level 9 avatar of boris. Should I continue this playthrough even though the game has probably changed so much or start over?

Also I have a few other questions.

Does that bot still exist that would do quests/farming and is allowed?
Is there a place that can do price check on items I have or scans my inventory for pricy/rare items?
How much are Mr.Accessories in meat?

MechaCrash
Jan 1, 2013

Yes, finish the run.
Yes, there are bots that do that stuff and they are allowed.
Yes, there are things that check on prices. I think it's called Pricegun? Sorry, I don't pay much attention to these things so I don't know for sure.
I think in the 20 million range.

Sputnik
Jul 21, 2003

I felt like a ninja, and my kung-fu was strong.

MechaCrash posted:

I think in the 20 million range.

:aaaaa: :what:

Mr. Accessories are currently 12,339,000 Meat in the mall, and I can't remember the time that they went for 20mill (there was a time, it was just really long ago. There was also a time that they were 7mill).

A friendly reminder though, for those thinking of getting a Mr. A from Jick, that goons (ie: my shameless self) give way better rates on meat-for-money. Currently offering 18 million meat for $10 USD.

Vexrm
Feb 2, 2009

Full of hot raspberry jam blooded passion.
I remember a time where Mr. A's were 3 million. That's where I made my meat. My nearly worth nothing meat now.

So, I'm in heavy rains and I'm using snow cones and hearts, any one have an explanation? Was it because of the special twitch stream?

Dizz
Feb 14, 2010


L :dva: L
Man they really changed everything to what I'm assuming was to push away fast ascensions which is funny because why would you want to make the thing everyone enjoys more tedious? anyways I'm at these mountains and I supposedly have to light some towers on fire for pizza and now I'm going to spend a good while reading up on the wiki.

MechaCrash
Jan 1, 2013

Sputnik posted:

Mr. Accessories are currently 12,339,000 Meat in the mall, and I can't remember the time that they went for 20mill (there was a time, it was just really long ago. There was also a time that they were 7mill).

I have no idea where the hell I got 20 from, then. Oh well.

sfwarlock
Aug 11, 2007

Dizz posted:

Man they really changed everything to what I'm assuming was to push away fast ascensions which is funny because why would you want to make the thing everyone enjoys more tedious? anyways I'm at these mountains and I supposedly have to light some towers on fire for pizza and now I'm going to spend a good while reading up on the wiki.

Because better game design and less click-nope and more intricate quests and new art and ... fun? what's that?

(Less snarky answer: Jick apparently wants to make the game deeper and bigger and complex... er... and hasn't thought about what that does to the repeated ascension game.)

Geocities Homepage King
Nov 26, 2007

I have good news, and I have bad news.
Which do you want to hear first...?

Dizz posted:

Man they really changed everything to what I'm assuming was to push away fast ascensions which is funny because why would you want to make the thing everyone enjoys more tedious? anyways I'm at these mountains and I supposedly have to light some towers on fire for pizza and now I'm going to spend a good while reading up on the wiki.

The thing is that quests can take forever now, but only if you're not doing them the "proper" way. They all have a brute force solution but when you follow the correct steps you can solve them in a much more expedient manner.

For instance: In the quest you're on there is an item at the Twin Peak you can use to help with the Oil Peak. Increasing ML as much as possible also increases the rate at which Oil Peak is solved, etc. It's all about knowing the shortcuts.

Crux
Apr 9, 2007



Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry...

Sorry.
I'm still disappointed that Jick told me there was never, ever going to be an NS15. How could that not be perfect?

Wilmott Snipes
May 29, 2002

It's daddy shithead, where's the bourbon?
drat haven't played this in a LONG time, I have 4 anniversary gifts saved up. Just looking at everything that has changed, how do you get access to the VIP room? Also to other mods, if people are inactive and want to get back in, what rank do you usually make them?

Xtanstic
Nov 23, 2007

So I saw in the old thread that Jick finally implemented ads on KoL. What's the active population like now? How close is it to dying? I've come back on and on until I finally lost interest for good I think. I even stopped listening to VGHD so I had no idea things got this bad. I assumed their move to SF meant that they were still doing fine. Too bad Word Realms bombed.

Sputnik posted:

:aaaaa: :what:

Mr. Accessories are currently 12,339,000 Meat in the mall, and I can't remember the time that they went for 20mill (there was a time, it was just really long ago. There was also a time that they were 7mill).

Yeesh is this mainly inflation or lack of Mr. A influx? I remember the good old days of 5 mil Mr. As and when they started inflating to 7-8 mil it was drat expensive.

axolotl farmer
May 17, 2007

Now I'm going to sing the Perry Mason theme

rev.justin posted:

drat haven't played this in a LONG time, I have 4 anniversary gifts saved up. Just looking at everything that has changed, how do you get access to the VIP room? Also to other mods, if people are inactive and want to get back in, what rank do you usually make them?

You have to buy a Clan VIP Lounge invitation. They're available from the Mr. Store every time there's a new piece of VIP furniture and from the mall. Current price is ~13M.

Bieeanshee
Aug 21, 2000

Not keen on keening.


Grimey Drawer
Oh god, what am I doing? Applied as Aytch.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

Xtanstic posted:

Yeesh is this mainly inflation or lack of Mr. A influx? I remember the good old days of 5 mil Mr. As and when they started inflating to 7-8 mil it was drat expensive.
Both. There are fewer active players and the ones that are left are increasingly veterans who are already own a full slate of IOTMs and declining returns have set in on new items (how many familiars do you need? how many tomes?), so fewer Mr. A's are being purchased. Fewer stones, and it's harder to get blood from them, essentially.

Also, inflation. There's been power creep in +Item and +Meat (and +Turn), so a day's farming turns up more money than it used to.

It may just be that KoL is heading into the sunset part of its existence. 11 years is a pretty drat good run for an MMO (ridiculous, not even funny, etc.), but eventually people do get tired and move on to other things.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
Case in point, I was all geared up to do a leaderboard run on the last challenge path and just ... never got around to logging in and doing it.

Mafia is great, but even then you eventually get to the point where playing turns feels more like a chore then actually fun.

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Whitefire
Oct 9, 2007

DEE DEEEEE
I have something like 30-40 hardcore ascensions, almost all of them before the class skill updates. I keep thinking about going back and making more 12 day runs, but every time I try I can't get myself to stay motivated, re-learn some of the quest changes, and log on every night. I guess KoL will probably continue to be the game that I play every night whilst unemployed, I can't seem to stay at it while juggling an unstable work schedule.

I'll still miss 8 levels on day one, though. :dance:

EDIT: I just logged on, i'm still in a Slow and Steady run that I started and stopped after 1 day. Will I still get the bonus karma if I finish it now, since I started it in-season? Or should I just restart to heavy rains?

Whitefire fucked around with this message at 08:41 on Aug 26, 2014

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